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The dread secrets that lie behind the profile...

Rudolph Ormsby
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05-11-2008 10:04
From: Virrginia Tombola
I agree with the sad truism "there are jerks everywhere".

I know people who've met in SL, then met in RL (after the obligatory exchanging of photos, chatting with each other on the phone, etc). Such meetings seem to have the same success rate as more usual methods of meeting people with shared hobbies. I know two RL moved in/married success stories, and a few others that are ongoing Relationships.

So it can work, but really, one need get to actually meet the fellow before you start naming the children.


It's usually a good idea to agree on whether you are going to have children before you start naming them. Just a tip.
Neveah Niu
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05-11-2008 11:54
From: Milla Alexandre
This is a surprise because..........???????

Yup...I agree..... SL invites deception. Let's face it...noone HAS to be themselves in a virtual world and very few seem to take the moral high road in being truthful about their real life selves.

Interestingly....every prson I know in SL who has 'hooked up' has been burned. And I mean EVERY. For myself.....I remain single and happy and I don't take anything or anyONE so seriously that I even CARE if I'm mislead. I take the friends I make at face value and enjoy what ever good conversation they offer in world. The rest.... I'm really not too concerned about. I appreciate and respect honesty....and require it in my genuine friends. But....to say I 'expect' it in SL... no, I don't.

I have met a couple folks who are who they say they are..... have proven it with behaviors outside of SL.... photos, instant messenger.... life details that have not changed in over a year (I'm referring to one married couple I met last spring that are uber cool.....but no longer even do SL, yet we're still in touch)

That seems to be the irony......the most honest straight forward people I have encountered (myself included cause I really don't RP or otherwise deceive in SL) are the ones who remain single and simply don't take the whole that seriously. Nothing to hide....nothing to lose.... no static at all.

I feel for your friend.... but I've seen this kind of crap so dam many times in here.... that it's really just getting to the point where I feel like grabbing people by the ears and saying "WTF has got you this far in life being this naive!!!?" It's CYBER REALITY people and collectively we have a right to be anything we want. I do agree it's wrong to mislead people where emotions are involved.....very wrong. But accountability is absent here....it's one of the psychological appeals.

A very good friend of mine in SL just had a terrible expereince with SL romance...turns out her partner is a textbook example of an abuser.....and decided it would easier to go into SL and take out his anger issues on some anonymous bleeding heart, since he can't do it IRL and get away with it. Sort of like some serial killers seemed so 'normal' to their family and friends..... it's the strangers they victimize. Severe example I know... but it's human nature. SL is a mask.....a stage that some people step off of without ever looking back...believing everyone else is also just a fellow actor. *shrug* I trust ONLY with-in the confines of cyber space. Beyond that.... who you are, or are not is NOT something I am going to allow to effect my RL.



Awesome post!
2k Suisei
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05-11-2008 11:57
From: Virrginia Tombola
I agree with the sad truism "there are jerks everywhere".

I know people who've met in SL, then met in RL (after the obligatory exchanging of photos, chatting with each other on the phone, etc). Such meetings seem to have the same success rate as more usual methods of meeting people with shared hobbies. I know two RL moved in/married success stories, and a few others that are ongoing Relationships.

So it can work, but really, one need get to actually meet the fellow before you start naming the children.


Well said!
Gabriele Graves
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05-11-2008 13:10
From: Milla Alexandre
This is a surprise because..........???????

Yup...I agree..... SL invites deception. Let's face it...noone HAS to be themselves in a virtual world and very few seem to take the moral high road in being truthful about their real life selves.

No one SHOULD have to be themselves in a virtual world either. There is no moral high ground by chosing to bring your RL into SL with you and telling people about it. Choosing not to disclose is a perfectly highly moral choice too.
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Winter Phoenix
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05-11-2008 19:24
SL makes a crappy dating service. The draw to the thing is ' Be Anything'. So your already appealing to the crowd eager to 'get out of their own skin'. Your encouraged to hide behind a facade of deception and trickery. So being something one is not, is to be expected. However.. when people break through that wall of fantasy and start bringing their reality into the equasion, we figure we're hearing truth since everything here is fake.
As a rule, whether they speak the truth or not about such realities shouldnt really matter.
We are in here, flying around, making spaceships out of plywood cubes. But once you decide to take your friendships outside the box, reality just might rear an ugly head. You really do want to trust that SL sweetie of yours. They make you warm and fuzzy. But they could just as easily be a potential stalker whackjob. You want to get real with somebody cus they say all the right things, asking you how you feel, what you dreamed last night, listening to you, making you think they really do care about a womans needs?
Quite a naive position to take, you may as well bend over and make it easier for them to blow smoke up your ass. Plenty of guys out there reading Dr. Phils latest book so they can try manipulating some lonely soul out there. Is your SL partner a doctor, lawyer, Indian chief, out there in the real world? Who the hell knows! I'm gonna go home and put on my TRUST NO ONE t-shirt.
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Gabriele Graves
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05-11-2008 20:09
From: Winter Phoenix
SL makes a crappy dating service. The draw to the thing is ' Be Anything'. So your already appealing to the crowd eager to 'get out of their own skin'. Your encouraged to hide behind a facade of deception and trickery. So being something one is not, is to be expected. However.. when people break through that wall of fantasy and start bringing their reality into the equasion, we figure we're hearing truth since everything here is fake.
As a rule, whether they speak the truth or not about such realities shouldnt really matter.
We are in here, flying around, making spaceships out of plywood cubes. But once you decide to take your friendships outside the box, reality just might rear an ugly head. You really do want to trust that SL sweetie of yours. They make you warm and fuzzy. But they could just as easily be a potential stalker whackjob. You want to get real with somebody cus they say all the right things, asking you how you feel, what you dreamed last night, listening to you, making you think they really do care about a womans needs?
Quite a naive position to take, you may as well bend over and make it easier for them to blow smoke up your ass. Plenty of guys out there reading Dr. Phils latest book so they can try manipulating some lonely soul out there. Is your SL partner a doctor, lawyer, Indian chief, out there in the real world? Who the hell knows! I'm gonna go home and put on my TRUST NO ONE t-shirt.
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05-11-2008 22:11
From: Dakota Tebaldi
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Elinah Iredell
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05-12-2008 02:18
I understand your feelings completely, SL is not necessarily a place to trust, too many use it for their selfish pleasures. However saying that I will also say that while not knowing a person's real identity ( people who wont tell you who they are in rl ) makes me uncomfortable even someone in sl who is open about who they are can turn out to be a complete ahole too. I met one. And I still feel upset about it .

Be careful of the charming ones especially if they seem cold or dishonest at times. Dont make excuses for them when you see them starting to act badly. Its a bad sign that must be taken seriously.

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05-12-2008 02:27
From: Qie Niangao
I'm probably being typically male dense and insensitive here, but I just can't see the deception. Some boring lawnmowing dentist decides to augment RL geek with SL goon, and changes his profile accordingly. Heck, I've known avatars to change their very skin and shape and move to a different sim--it's like they're in the witness protection program or something!

And we have no information how any of this is or isn't correlated with the end of some past courtship. For all we know, "gangsta" may be the poor guy's way of dealing with the disappointment of a failed relationship.



Well if he was honest about his real life and the things he told her and then told her that his new profile was just role play that is one thing. But if he deceived her about who he really is in rl that is wrong.

Elinah
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05-12-2008 03:04
I guess I've been lucky in SL... I have been here since Jan, 2007, and have had 2 SL romances - the first lasted 3 months, and we are still great friends. The second, is still going strong over a year later (thats like a 10 year marriage in rl terms *grins*). My current romance is added to by using skype - both vid and voice. I know just about everything that goes on in his rl, and he in mine. We are half a world apart, and probably will never meet, but I wouldn't trade it for anything. We decided long ago that if nothing else, we will remain life long - long distance best friends. Neither of us is in a position to pack up and leave their respective countries.

You do have to keep your wits about you when you have a SL romance and realize that it may never translate to RL. To be honest, in more circumstances than not, it probably *shouldn't*. This is a fantasy world, even though it seems real and the feelings are real... at least on the surface. I know a few people that NEVER give info about their rl, or don't give accurate info, because they don't want to kill the fantasy. I can appreciate that even though I don't follow that practice. I am who I am, even if my avatar is a tad bit skinnier than I am rl and much younger.

Now the WORST case I have seen of being secretive about RL's happened to a friend of mine,,, her long term sl romance wound up being with her rl brother that lived on the other side of the country - no wonder they had so much of the same likes/dislikes, etc. Neither had ever traded rl names or info, both thought it was better that way. Until one day they decided to tell their rl names - a big step for both of them. I think they are in therapy now...
Cherry Czervik
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05-12-2008 03:08
From: Czari Zenovka
If someone escaped their RL limits to be intentionally deceptive...then I would have to respectfully disagree. :)


I agree with Czari.

Besides, I am actually fantastically interesting RL, if stuck in a town where nothing is happening, so I don't feel the need to make up bullshit about myself.

Re the 1st life tab - I rarely look at it, in fact I'd be happier if it was not there. If I really want to know about 1st life stuff then there's a connection. Mine tells the truth, but then I don't make any elaborate claims.

Plus I am dead cynical about people telling the truth anyway. Call me a dinosaur if you like, I was on IRC for far too long to assume all girls really are girls, and men who claim they have an averagely normal 6 or 7 inch dick (asked for info that is it not) will get my respect for other things they say far more than the usual nonsense.
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Qie Niangao
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05-12-2008 03:17
From: Elinah Iredell
Well if he was honest about his real life and the things he told her and then told her that his new profile was just role play that is one thing. But if he deceived her about who he really is in rl that is wrong.
Yeah, but are we addressing the abstract hypothetical case? If so, yeah, it's bad to be bad. But in this specific case, we know he was being honest:
From: Eveline Nixdorf
Clarification: apparently he was indeed a dentist, whose original profile was mild-mannered, rather Clark-in-the-phonebooth stuff[...]
So... I dunno. The generalization I'm taking away from this thread is that there's a great eagerness to find a victim and a villain in any story.
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05-12-2008 03:23
From: Eveline Nixdorf
Oh dear. Should I tell? I have to tell. Yes. Got to tell. Sometime last year, my dear, sweet and probably far-too-trusting friend "C" was SL dating a dentist, told her all sorts of good dental stuff, good story, held together... ok, he's a dentist. Sort of a noodnik profile, I looked. Guy lived somewhere in the Northwest, complained about mowing the lawn.

Skip to a week ago. C says to me - oh dear, check the dentist's profile. I look. How to describe this? Ice Cube, plus... Borat?... plus... mafia? Oh dear. The profile quote from - like I'd know... something from MTV Cribs? That how you spell cribs? What a maroon.


I don't get it. Are dentists well known for a dislike of Borat? Don't dentists watch cribs?
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