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Meade Paravane
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10-09-2007 08:01
Signed- a Battlefield 2142 buyer. ![]() Also signed but as a ex-BF player. I played all the BF games until 2142. That's it, though. Never again will the people at DICE get another cent from me. I find my life happier since I flushed them. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
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10-09-2007 09:23
I started reading it while thinking "interesting". Then I got to "For example, there’s the constant stream of information about our service status, straightforward talk about our grid problems, detailed explanations about governmental tax charges, .." Ah! NewSpeak. As far as I'm concerned the guy is a sock puppet for a PR muppet ( a muppet's puppet) - or he is a PR muppet. Any one or any organisation that can vomit that sort of nonsense at us in the immediate aftermath of the VAT communication disaster genuinely believes that we are stupid. They think that posting a bunch of happy-clappy drivel will make us all feel good. There may well be some very committed and talented people inside LL. However, as an entity, LL continually demonstrates that it has barely disguised contempt for the "residents". I think it is because happy drivel is the fuel that LL itself functions on. Read the Tao - it forbids "politics." They pass around "love notes" when they like something each other has done. Nobody is ever told what to do. Nobody HAS to do ANYTHING. (Which apparently includes clueing each other into what is going on.) Read the Tao for mentors (on the SL Herald) - mentors are expected to accentuate the positive in any horrid situation. It's all a sort of positive think gone mad. Here is my answer to Ginsu's post, posted by necessity on the blog entry below it, about the rolling update: ----- MY POST FOR THE BLOG ENTRY “LIGHTS ON AT THE LAB”: Note that I couldn’t put it where it belongs, due to the fact that LL employees somehow can’t face more than a relative few responses to a blog entry. Here’s the deal, Ginsu. Nobody is home at LL. Take this issue: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-156, regarding the BBC code being turned off on the forums. From June to October, Torley himself is incapable of getting any answers from anyone at LL. And Torley is an EMPLOYEE. There is certainly no transparency about that. Worse, there is NOBODY HOME. When your own employees can’t find out the slightest answer over the course of four months, you have a communication problem not only with us, but among yourselves. I have never seen such a mess, at any company, anywhere. These things are really not that hard, really they aren’t - unless all your employees are hiding from each other. And do tell, what is the point of turning off these blog responses? If you can’t handle the responses, quit trying to have a blog. Or at least set them to a number that gives more people a fair chance to be heard - like 500. Don’t talk about wanting to communicate on the one hand, while at the very same time, limiting responses to an absurd 100 (or some other arbitrary figure, like 150 in this case) - not to MENTION never even bothering to say why, and refusing to discuss it. coco ----- I then posted an amendment on that last sentence, as this thread called Robin's comment to my attention. coco _____________________
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
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10-09-2007 09:39
- hiring someone to *only* work on communication, including supporting forums, responding to blog comments, finding better ways to reach more Residents /me brushes up her resume. Again. Mari _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
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10-09-2007 09:42
Here is the whole problem, y'all. In a nutshell.
LL employees are supposed to have a good time. They are supposed to be happy. That is the most important thing, and always has been. Everyone there is autonomous. coco _____________________
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Meade Paravane
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10-09-2007 09:42
Here is the whole problem, y'all. In a nutshell. LL employees are supposed to have a good time. They are supposed to be happy. That is the most important thing, and always has been. coco Those bastards!! _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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10-09-2007 09:45
I read the TAO. It made my ass get big and gave me diabetes.
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Nika Talaj
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10-09-2007 09:49
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
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10-09-2007 09:50
Here is the whole problem, y'all. In a nutshell. LL employees are supposed to have a good time. They are supposed to be happy. That is the most important thing, and always has been. _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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Ciaran Laval
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10-09-2007 09:56
Guess they are not allowed to read this forum. Didn't someone say that that's why they don't read the forums, it upsets them? I blame google for all this being happy at work malarkey. |
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Cocoanut Koala
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10-09-2007 10:12
Philip said that. He said it depressed the employees.
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
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10-09-2007 10:14
Didn't someone say that that's why they don't read the forums, it upsets them? I blame google for all this being happy at work malarkey. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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10-09-2007 10:19
Philip said that. He said it depressed the employees. No, I didn't save the link. coco Yes I remember that. And thats why the General Forums (general, sand box, land and economy) all got removed. |
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Storm Thunders
Polyavatarist
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10-09-2007 10:26
Happy's a very vague word. Humans in community will have disagreements. *shrug*
In environments where direct conflict isn't allowed, people find other ways to get what they want. You'll get passive aggressive behavior, avoidance, people who realize that they can verbally attack others since their target is the one "creating" conflict when they respond, people who overcompsensate and try to do everything themselves since they can't expect others to help out... I hope they put regular effort into teaching conflict resolution and general communication skills. I don't know. The positive sides of the Tap are very tempting. A well picked team will have people with a variety of skills and preferences. I've worked with people who love work I loathe, and ones who've stared at me like I'm insane for loving debugging and rewriting multithreaded code. Working with people who love and believe in what they're doing makes going in to work each day a delight. |
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Cocoanut Koala
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10-09-2007 10:54
Well, there's this built-in flaw in that formula.
When the customer dissatisfaction overwhelms the individual Lindens' satisfaction, then the individual Lindens can no longer be happy. In other words, if the customers ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! Now, for all we know, they have already de-emphasized the Tao. For all we know, they have new management trying to turn it around. I just say that to be fair. Because I figure if they have done that, they ought to be telling us about it, and I haven't run across anything to that effect. coco _____________________
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-09-2007 11:06
Yup! The Tao and the Love Machine ensure that nobody will every raise a concern about anything inside LL.
http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/casestudies/linden.jsp "We think the Love Machine is one of the most interesting cultural things that we've done, and I know that many other companies are going to adopt it. I eagerly tell people about it whenever I can. The Love Machine is built around the idea of generating a token of appreciation for any other person in the company. It is a horizontal, decentralized way for employees to give each other mini peer reviews, which in turn they can use when they go to do their own quarterly performance reviews. So, anyone in Linden Lab can send a little 80-character piece of email that says, for example, "Thanks for a great job this week," which makes both the receiver and the sender feel good. If the right people are thanking you for your help, you know you're doing the right things." WANKERS!!!! Self-deluding narcissistic amateurs! And by the way, the old SL avatar rating system was done away with because it was deemed an abused and useless thing. Hello? Residents can't have a Love Machine because it's a load of baloney?? But LL still use it???? http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/14306294/second_life_the_nets_virtual_paradise_heats_up/print "Throughout the day, Lindens post little affirmations to each other online. "Thanks for having too much integrity for one single person," reads one message to Rosedale. "It feels wonderful," he says. " VOMIT!!!!! He should have sacked that smarmy brown-noser. http://valleywag.com/tech/philip-rosedale/second-lifes-love-machine-242445.php "Employees of the Benchmark-backed firm -- a curious mix of hippie utopia and hype-mongering scam -- can allocate love points to their co-workers. At the end of each quarter, the "love machine" calculates bonuses for staff who've received the most love points." Yes children. That's why we have the traffic system. It's a clone of the Love Machine. And we all know that the Traffic system produces really meaningful results, don't we? I keep living in hope that some professionals will take over at LL. (No. I don't mean lawyers ) |
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Meade Paravane
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10-09-2007 11:07
I blamed this forum for me being happy... You're rarely happy-sounding here, Ray. ![]() _____________________
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-09-2007 11:18
"Thanks for having too much integrity for one single person,"
I just posted that as a Blog comment. ![]() Wow! Wouldn't it be great to have a Blog posting in which all the comments were just that sentence???? LOL! I couldn't get into the Ginsu posting, as they cut comments at 150. So it's in the Rolling Restart comments along with all the other non-rolling-restart comments. I noticed that the comment count on Ginsu had dropped to 149. No. It wasn't Robin's comments that got deleted. I don't know which one then. |
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
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10-09-2007 11:33
You're rarely happy-sounding here, Ray. ![]() _____________________
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
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10-09-2007 12:20
sorry robin, i dont believe you.
we've been through this numerous times already, most recently with the 'open letter' response. ever heard the story of 'the boy that cried wolf'? robin linden said: Thanks to you all who have taken the time to respond here. As the person ultimately responsible for communication, I take your unhappiness with recent mistakes very seriously. Some of the things we’re doing to improve... |
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Susanne Pascale
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10-09-2007 13:01
I would direct their attention to Project Open Letter. the concerns expressed there are widespread and have not been addressed in any coherent fashion. It was sidetracked by the age play thing and has been left in the dustbin. I will believe LL is SERIOUS about fixing problems when they start addressing Project Open Letter again. Until that happens, I regard their public announcements as PR fluffery.
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Void Singer
Int vSelf = Sing(void);
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10-09-2007 13:30
They have a point though
LL is doing the biggest most open project like this ever done, and they are doing it first..... This isn't a god bleess LL post They've made some HUGE PREVENTABLE errors.... Not announcing upcoming changes overreacting to legal issues (and making users paranoid) not researching implications of business actions... but they are also taking this "game" places other companies never have: open soucing an already popular product offering a global virtual environment offering a virtual business environment more customization of personal content and protection at this scale than any other product.... with more interactivity than any similar product of this scale is it surprising they are growing too fast to keep up sometimes? they run afoul of legal and social issues that other games just don't have, and garnered more attention because of it I guess they are overwhelmed by the complaints... it's like working in govenrment, if you do your job right with no mistakes you'll never hear a word of thanks.... but if you blow it, you'll never hear the end of it the areas they need to work on most are the ones above.... Tell users about upcomming changes, or plans.... don't just drop them on users... research business options thoroughly, avoiding one problem one way may cause more another.... don't overreact to legal implications, stick to the minimums and tell users about it in a matter of fact way.... I guarantee those thing would go a long way to making happy users... |
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Malachi Petunia
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10-09-2007 13:43
Some of the things we’re doing to improve: - hiring someone to *only* work on communication, including supporting forums, responding to blog comments, finding better ways to reach more Residents - expanding the number of comments - improving our processes for timing, review, and placement (combination of blog, email, message of the day, etc.) of our messages to Residents I really liked "expanding the number of [blog] comments". Great idea, because if the first 150 people to post their dissatisfaction aren't listened to, the next 50 certainly will be. I think it can be told now: the senior staff at LL have been replaced with defective automatons. |
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Maggie McArdle
FIOS hates puppies
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10-09-2007 14:04
And if you call right now, you get two ginsus for the price of one!!! waits for Pocket Fisherman Linden.... _____________________
There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.
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Trout Recreant
Public Enemy No. 1
Join date: 24 Jul 2007
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10-09-2007 14:05
waits for Pocket Fisherman Linden.... We could catch fish, clean them with our ginsu's and cook them on George Foreman Linden. It would be great. Much better than putting them in Juiceman Linden. _____________________
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Maggie McArdle
FIOS hates puppies
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10-09-2007 14:09
We could catch fish, clean them with our ginsu's and cook them on George Foreman Linden. It would be great. Much better than putting them in Juiceman Linden. but Juiceman Linden will at least get all that pulp outta there.....make the stuff go down smoother yanno _____________________
There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.
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