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SuezanneC Baskerville
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10-08-2009 16:59
I don't know who made this chart but I found a link in my friendfeed stream

http://www.scribd.com/full/17768214?access_key=key-i00rpclbbnbeqyv8prp

http://tr.im/B95H

It has the normal SL viewer, Snowglobe, Gemini, Meerkat, Emerald, Imprudence and Hippo.
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10-08-2009 17:25
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"Search box top right" is not a "feature", it's a "bug".

Luckily you can turn that bastard off, and get the bandwidth/packet loss meters (which are NOT a bleeding "mini lag meter", the "lag meter" is a piddling bone tossed in after they covered those beggars up with the useless search bar) in the top bar.
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10-08-2009 17:30
Shadows?

Where the heck is Adv/Debug?
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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10-08-2009 17:35
On the standard viewer, and presumably most other viewers, The Advanced menu, which used to be called the Debug menu, is toggled by Control Alt D, or in some cases, Control Alt Shift D.

When displayed it's on the main menu, to the right of the Help option.
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Alvaro Zapatero
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10-08-2009 17:41
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
When displayed it's on the main menu, to the right of the Help option;


Got the Advanced Options up... I may be blind, but I don't see an option for Shadows.
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Milla Janick
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10-08-2009 17:55
From: Alvaro Zapatero
Got the Advanced Options up... I may be blind, but I don't see an option for Shadows.

In the 1.23.4 viewer shadows are enabled through debug settings. The fourth menu item from the bottom under the Advanced menu.

Set RenderUseFBO and Renderdeferred to True.
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Brieanne Bomazi
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10-08-2009 18:04
Great comparison.. .but couple things...

I still get ims in my main chat window on emerald...
and there is an asset server browser.


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Curious about the Emerald Viewer and all the features?
http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24&Itemid=16
Casper Priestman
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10-08-2009 18:05
Gemini Viewer - UI and fonts too small ????

Funny, but after adjusting them in the options they were just fine :)
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10-08-2009 19:15
From: Milla Janick
Set RenderUseFBO and Renderdeferred to True.


Confirmed I'm using 1.23.4(673)

Found the settings you referred to...

• Set RenderUseFBO to True

• Set Renderdeferred to True

But no shadows. Went back and checked settings...

• RenderUseFBO set to True

• Renderdeferred set to False

Can't seem to get Renderdeferred to set to True. Am I missing something? Or am I just a noob?
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Milla Janick
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10-08-2009 19:19
From: Alvaro Zapatero
Can't seem to get Renderdeferred to set to True. Am I missing something? Or am I just a noob?

What graphics adapter do you have? They don't all support shadows. I think hardware skinning (custom graphics option) may also need to be enabled.
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10-08-2009 19:22
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Milla Janick
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10-08-2009 19:24
From: Alvaro Zapatero
ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro

There's your problem. The HD2600 can't do shadows.
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10-08-2009 19:25
Ahhh well... till the next upgrade.

Thanks for the infos.
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Innula Zenovka
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10-08-2009 20:42
From: Argent Stonecutter
*sigh*

The rot is now mainstream.

"Search box top right" is not a "feature", it's a "bug".

Luckily you can turn that bastard off, and get the bandwidth/packet loss meters (which are NOT a bleeding "mini lag meter", the "lag meter" is a piddling bone tossed in after they covered those beggars up with the useless search bar) in the top bar.
How do I get the bandwidth/packet loss meters back, Argent?
Lexxi Gynoid
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10-08-2009 20:53
From: Innula Zenovka
How do I get the bandwidth/packet loss meters back, Argent?

You just have to turn off that search panel thingie at top and the small bandwidth/packet loss meters return to that spot. At least in Emerald.

Advancend menu>UI>Show search panel in overlay bar (uncheck this on here)
Ann Otoole
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10-08-2009 21:03
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I don't know who made this chart but I found a link in my friendfeed stream

http://www.scribd.com/full/17768214?access_key=key-i00rpclbbnbeqyv8prp

http://tr.im/B95H

It has the normal SL viewer, Snowglobe, Gemini, Meerkat, Emerald, Imprudence and Hippo.

Now we need a third axis to compare to grid compatibility. The sooner everyone knows which viewers they can export with and import elsewhere the safer their investments will be.
Innula Zenovka
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10-09-2009 06:38
From: Lexxi Gynoid
You just have to turn off that search panel thingie at top and the small bandwidth/packet loss meters return to that spot. At least in Emerald.

Advancend menu>UI>Show search panel in overlay bar (uncheck this on here)
Thanks, Lexie. I'd actually found that in debug settings when I read Argent's post but, because of the skin I'm using on Emerald (and because it was very late for me) I hadn't noticed that the bandwidth/packet loss meters replaced it.
Innula Zenovka
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10-09-2009 06:41
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Now we need a third axis to compare to grid compatibility. The sooner everyone knows which viewers they can export with and import elsewhere the safer their investments will be.
The other glaring omission is whether RLV is built-in -- it's not just fun for us in the BDSM crowd but also lets you do all sorts of useful things by script you can't otherwise do.
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10-09-2009 08:49
Under "Building", the table shows "Backup", with Emerald as "Yes". I've searched for it but can't find it. Is it the "Export" function (export an object as an XML file)? If it's not that, where is the backup feature to be found?
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10-09-2009 14:25
From: Alvaro Zapatero
Confirmed I'm using 1.23.4(673)

Found the settings you referred to...

• Set RenderUseFBO to True

• Set Renderdeferred to True

But no shadows. Went back and checked settings...

• RenderUseFBO set to True

• Renderdeferred set to False

Can't seem to get Renderdeferred to set to True. Am I missing something? Or am I just a noob?


It's amazing we have had shadows as an option through advanced settings over last 12 months but there's still no button for it in the graphics setings.
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Brieanne Bomazi
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10-09-2009 14:29
From: Innula Zenovka
The other glaring omission is whether RLV is built-in -- it's not just fun for us in the BDSM crowd but also lets you do all sorts of useful things by script you can't otherwise do.



Emerald has RLVa built in. You check the button in the emerald settings to be RLV compatible, relog and there you go. :)

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http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24&Itemid=16
Innula Zenovka
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10-09-2009 15:14
I know, Brie, but I was saying that's a feature of alternative viewers that might usefully be mentioned in a comparison chart, cos not all of them do have RLV or RLVa.
Valerion Raymaker
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10-09-2009 23:21
From: Tegg Bode
It's amazing we have had shadows as an option through advanced settings over last 12 months but there's still no button for it in the graphics setings.


Shadows doesn't work properly. From my testing:

1) Using AA together with shadows crashes the viewer on Nvidia cards. This is apparently a known problem, searching on the net.

2) Using shadows causes property line displays to be messed up.

3) It doesn't for me display entirely correctly yet. There are shadows where none should be. Could be a bug somewhere, though.

I would prefer it not be activated until it works completely.
Kidd Krasner
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10-10-2009 09:14
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I don't know who made this chart but I found a link in my friendfeed stream

http://www.scribd.com/full/17768214?access_key=key-i00rpclbbnbeqyv8prp

http://tr.im/B95H

It has the normal SL viewer, Snowglobe, Gemini, Meerkat, Emerald, Imprudence and Hippo.

Gak. Why do people have to use scribd when an ordinary web site link would work fine. Better yet, just build it on the wiki.

Scribd chews up screen real estate and loses basic Acrobat Reader buttons like zoom, forcing an unnecessary use of Flash instead.
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10-10-2009 09:27
From: Kidd Krasner
Scribd chews up screen real estate and loses basic Acrobat Reader buttons like zoom, forcing an unnecessary use of Flash instead.
Plus the scroll wheel doesn't work.
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