Second Citizen is closed for now...

Agreed.

SC does play pretty rough, which is why I don't spend a whole lot of time there. For those who joined after the offical SL General forum closed, SC provides a pretty good snapshot of what the forums here used to be like - just with fewer locked threads. A few of the old gang sill remain on this RA forum, but the largest concentration of older SL residents can be found at SC, where they went when LL silenced us a year ago. It was a harsh move and one that a lot of people will never get over nor forgive LL for. So much of the drama at SC has a long history it isn't surprising that newer residents have found it daunting. Forum wars that have been raging for 3 years continue to smolder there and sometimes explode like they did this weekend.

OK. I didn't mean to upset anyone. Excuse me.

Do you have links to these photos by any chance?

No, Brenda, I wasn't upset, no need for an apology. But I *do* know that some people have painted a grim picture of those forums in the past, and I just like to keep it balanced. As I said, not for all, and there are some people I know in SL that I purposely have *not* suggested going there. For others, it is just what the doctor ordered.

Again, no offense taken.

Ok. I'm good.

Heh..the only panties in SL more famous than yours belong to Ms. Weber

I agree. There are some genuinely good and funny people there. I finally overloaded on the drama there and just stopped posting or reading SC quite a while ago. Nothing against any posters there, it's just easy to get sucked into the drama, and I can be as out of line as anyone else. I don't like it when I start to get mean, and SC had a way of doing that more often that I was comfortable with, as did these forums back in the day. I used to have to give myself forced breaks just so I wouldn't be tempted to try to get the last word in when the feces was flying. As much as I hated LL taking the knife to this forum, which eviscerated a very vibrant community at the time, I have to say now that these forums are a lot nicer, and a lot less intimidating for newer people. It was a smart thing for LL to have done, and I bet now Mother can relate, at least a little, to LL's reasoning at the time. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

That's your problem.

I'm feeling a little disappointed as there was a very nice thread going on in SC about the global environment, that I had meant to finish reading.

It's certainly a bit too rough on SC for me, which is why I don't make an attempt to get into any of the interpersonal drama, but there are wonderful and intelligent people there, and as a source of info SC is excellent.

I really feel for what Mother has gone through this year; he gives us all far more than we deserve. I would not blame him a bit if he just went on vacation. Having said that, I've seen even Mother say things in anger that gave me the chills. Maybe we all can use a break.

It should be a short break. The site says this: Second Citizen will re-open on Tuesday the 14th if all things look...good. Hope to see you then. -FIC

I love Mother and his selfless work. Everyone needs to drop him hugs and financial support when it comes back on.

Durn it. I apparently missed those pics.

Yeah, that.

I'm taking another hiatus. The stuff dragged into SLU shows that the drama just isn't ever going to end.

I followed it for a couple of weeks and almost every single thread I saw evolved into name-calling, trolling or downright fighting and most of them didn't manage to stay on topic, regardless of the original topic. I saw nothing there that wasn't drama for drama's sake.

It probably has its hidden gems and good moments, everything does, but without being an active part of it just looks like a bunch of malcontents and filled with viciousness.

Chip, I'll pass your sentiments along to LR. I've always considered you one of the community leaders, your work and dedication to the community in all the content disciplines is a credit to you.

Drifting off-topic, yeah that happens a lot. I actually like it sometimes.

But ALMOST EVERY SINGLE THREAD name-calling, trolling or downright fighting? Absolutely not. The drama threads obviously evoke the greatest emotional response which could make them seem to have a greater presence. But thread for thread, most of the posts at SC are nice, intelligent, often witty, and folks at SC do a lot more supporting each other than fighting each other.

Unfortunately that's pretty much it. There may be good stuff burried in there but its hard to find it. Just the stuff on SLU it drove me away. I dont want to post in those situations why bother as the chances of you getting called something strange are far to high and mostly it just comes outa left field. This board is not perfect and maybe once and awhile it goes cablooey but at least people confine it to threads that make no sense in the first place.

I have yet to have a positive experience with what is the second citizen "Crew" I have a few people that would talk to me and I even have a couple of friends who use that board. I repeatedly ask them why. To this date they can't give me an answer as to why. They dont like it when they are under fire and sometimes they leave and swear they will never go back, but always return for more. In one case the person is under fire more often then not. Again the answer as to why she even bothers is never really answered. I can only say that its some kind of personality trait that some people enjoy being in the middle of what is basically a chaotic message board version of world war II. It makes no sense to me and I have stopped trying to make sense of it. I just say its not a place that appeals to me. The nail in the coffin to me anyhow as to what second citizen is and the reason why LL took such drastic steps was what occured on the SLU forum which was basicaly swallowed up yesterday. Its proof that LL had no choice to do what it did. I can't see new people staying on this message board in any other situation. I was around before the boards were changed. I remember being unable to hold a conversation and being called every name under the sun for having a point of view. It was not a nice place and I posted very little as a result of it. I never asked a question for the same reasons. So the members of second citizen may be there because they are mad at LL for what they did to the boards but in all honesty there was no awy to moderate it and keep your sanity so the decision was a good one and made for what was all the right reasons.

History and daytime TV agree...humans crave adversity and drama!

Hehe guess i'm not human then cause it drives me away farrra away lol

age has a way of neutralizing that need/want (whatever you want to call it) for "drama" gives me ulcers and ruins my day. I dont like reading it once it gets to a certain level its not something I can really take either as a bystander or anything else.

Well, there are plenty of old people that still like to stir it up! Prok?

Not EVERY human likes it, but there are enough that do...otherwise SL would the utopia that LL wishes it was!

yeah *me wishes for utopia* (no scams ..)

as for Prok I can never get past the first or second sentance of anything he writes. I find it unreadable to many adjectives and other words that dont belong make my eyes glaze over so if there is controversy in there I'm gone before I hit it lol.

Whew, what a crazy, chaotic 24 hours having everybody from SC over at my house. I need to call in a cleaning service and file a few insurance claims, and get new carpets, but otherwise I think it will all be ok. Noting a little paint and some Febreze can't fix. It was kind of like a typical family holiday for me, with less yelling in Spanish and not enough booze. All I have to say is Christmas is at Aimee's next year.

PS - I am glad SC is back. I got a glimpse of one day into the life of what goes on for Mother FIC and I was ready to move and leave no forwarding address. Thanks to everyone on both sides of the forums who offered support in a very crazy, unpredictable, but never boring time. I am proud to have my own site, and to be a long standing member of Second Citizen. Between the two, I have met some incredible people and never cease to be entertained, or surprised.

Agreed, you little poop.

It's gonna be a Yankee swap next year, oh and BYOB.


Thank you for having us, babydoll! It was really inspiring to see how people pulled together through all this <3

I will take this opportunity to say a big BIG Thank You, Cristiano. You just rock