The Long Arm of LL Reaches Into SLX

Read the SLX thread Toy (if you care to) You want me to do all of the work for you? I gave you the original link. The girl asked a question - and in response (with no investigation or promting from LL) SLX froze her account.

I agree with this completely.




This is the bit I am confused on.. we could be talking a LOT of lindens which could mean a lot of money.. that money surely cant just "poof"...?




Thats my plan and I am sticking to it!

LOL that so reads to me in another way... ..

But do you think that any funds should just go "poof" in this instance? Are we not then saying SLX is a judge and jury to any incident that may occur in SL. and if they rule against you, your SOL?

I dont need to read another forum, I replied to this forums post. If you want sympathy ask in the SLX forum.. All Isee in this post is a one-sided story, nothing more. And I will not draw a conclusion, or offer sympathy as such. From what I see so far someone screwed up an got their pee-pee whacked. But this is assuming I only listen to a one-sided story

I browsed the SLX thread and I didn't get the impression that the money in the SLX account would just vanish into the ether. The poster was asking if SLX could pay out to an alt account because the account registered with SLX was frozen by LL. The answer to that absolutely has to be no. SLX would have no way of knowing it's actually the same person. I think it would be reasonable for SLX to hold the funds for a specific period of time to allow for any mistaken or temporary ban to be lifted (like say 3-6 months). If the ban is permanent, then I'd think she's out of luck, and it would be up to SLX what to do with the funds. If there was fraud involved in the ban then SLX should give the funds to LL to be returned to the rightful owner (if any).

Ok, I read the thread. The SLEX rep was very clear and professional that their TOS states that you must have an SL account in good standing to use their service.

Which part of that are you not understanding?

If you don't like their TOS then don't use the service.

I imagine if it's fraud or other crime that's involved the money would wend its way back to LL and one hopes to at least partly compensating the victims. If they're banned for a TOS violation but not a crime, SLX has its own exchange for switching between US$ and L$ that a lot of people actually prefer to the official LL one, and they could presumably get their money out that way.

I've dealt with SLX for some time, and have always found them to be reasonable and sensible people. They do make mistakes sometimes. but not often as far as I can tell, and who doesn't make mistakes sometimes?

I just read it to.. it does seem that the funds will be held in escrow? Thats a better idea then just "poofing"..

I wonder if they ever do manage to get them though....

you can sell the L$ for $ and cash out so what`s the point?

in addition, if you don't want to be banned and risk losing your money, don't misbehave.

I am a bit alarmed by how banning/suspensions and the AR process seems to work these days.

The reports that it takes massive numbers of ARs to get your AR to "stick" concerns me quite a bit.

I think it much more likely that an innocent person could get suspended or banned under this environment.

The likelihood a Linden can legitimately investigate an incident drops with each piled-on AR. However the urgency for said Linden to "do something" about a problem INCREASES with each piled-on AR

We've even had forum's posters suggest organizing AR's and even AR purposed groups.

In such a climate the fact that your NON-SL account money would be seized seems wrong.

It assumes too much faith in a system that at the very least is showing the signs of strain.

Why would you get banned from LL Tiana? Seeing as how LL and Slexchange do no trade personal information this is the only way to legally protect themselves and YOU, their merchant. Otherwise it would be a breach of privacy. Unlocking any information from any site requires a subpoena so measures do need to be taken -- How can they prove it was really you on the other side of that monitor? Just because someone said it was them?

The internet is still the wild wild west and there are plenty of fraud games going on. And, plenty of revenge based motives too - My first SL wife's RL ex hubby would get in there and cause all kinds of havoc until it just got to be too much. Games are games, and business is business.

Most people are not aware that a website outside of SL that would take your money and blame it on LL. I, like many others, use SLX to hold money. So I suggest that the best place to put your funds would be Apez.biz - there you can pay other avatars while LL does what it does.

Or just cash out regularly?

Thats a really good point. I was just trying to look at it from all standpoints. I plan not to get banned from LL!

Reading the SLX thread clears up nothing. All we see is someone vaguely stating that LL banned their account, and no explanation on why.

i took the effort of reading that thread before jumping to conclusions and wagging fingers.
what i saw was a girl ask how she can get her money out of slx if her sl account is frozen and if it were possible to withdraw as an alt. rather than say 'no', slx decided to immediately lock down the account. there was no talk of fraud, etc etc that people are constantly interjecting into this thread. just a simple one post question. really, it just as likely that she just didnt pay tier on her 1024 hey.
smells like shit to me. ive moved roughly $3000.00usd through slx this month and am now having very serious misgivings about moving money through this outfit anymore. what i saw in that thread was so arbitrary... almost power-tripping.
i dont want a thing to do with that.

are slx automatically including 'tm', (r), and (c) in forum posts?

Well, having run gaming groups, ect. My philosophy has always been stay in the rules or suffer the consequences. I do not believe I have been ARed one in my almost year of being in SL, and never intend to. Why?

I don't intend to do anything against the TOS or Community Standards or that common sense tells me is unappropriated. I will keep language and conduct in public exceptable, I will only discharge weaponry in designated public areas, or where granted permission by that lands owner. I will not go out of my way to commit acts that have been banned, or other residents access restrictions.

you know what? In truth I would not sweat it if I was suspended for something sill I could have handled better. I would simply take it, learn my lesson and move on.

Some time ago Linden labs implemented what trhey called the RISK api , which allow third party websites like SLX to check the standing of an avatar.

Nothing new to me there.

This only increases my respect for SLExchange and its owners/management. Fraud is a _massive_ problem in Second Life--and we are not talking a few thousand L$, either. One of my friends in SL had their account broken into last month and 2000US of L$ purchased on their credit card, then transfered off to an alt account. I'm delighted SLExchange is actively cooporating with LL in combating fraud.

I just don't get the

"If you don't want it to happen to you, then don't get banned"

idea.

This is a company that cant manage to keep your prim hair out of your Avatars butt ..

AND we trust them to be some sort of infallible virtual judge, jury and executioner of our Second Selves.

Sorry - call me anti establishment - but I don't trust in the infallibility of anyone, let alone what amounts to a corporate police officer.

I give up.

I said it over there and I'll say it here, or words to the effect...

If you don't want to lose your money, keep it in your pocket!

I don't use Slex and have only glanced at their site a few times. Are people really using Slex to hold money for them? Like a bank? Are they FDIC insured in case they go Poof? I supposed they have a disclaimer saying, "if we go Poof, then too bad?"

Wonders never cease.


And what if SL is no longer in "good standing"?