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The Long Arm of LL Reaches Into SLX

Lias Leandros
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03-28-2008 11:04
A SLX retailer was banned from SL and asked a question in the SLX forums about how to get her money out of SLX. The SLX Admin responded by freezing her SLX account!.
The response was
From: someone
one's fate in dealing with SLX does often hinge on dealings with LindenLab. Remember? They control every Linden in existence so SLX has a vested, hopefully enlightened, self interest in not enabling further fraud towards LindenLab.

I am not too comfortable with SLX denying access to account holdings because you have some issues with LL. And there is no way to pay another avatar from SLX. I make sales through my Apez.biz website and sales in-SL that go straight into my Apez account. Apez allows me to pay other avatars straight from their website. I think that SLX is too much 'in bed' with LL on this issue.
From: someone
SL Exchange TOS wrote: 9: Unauthorized Transactions

9.1: Virtuatrade reserves the right to hold any member's funds, Linden or US Dollars, up to 30 days from the time funds are deposited or received if there is reason to believe said funds may be associated with one or more fraudulent or unauthorized transactions.

9.2: Virtuatrade reserves the right to reverse, charge back, or withhold payment of any transaction that is confirmed to be fraudulent or unauthorized. You agree this may affect your account even if you are not directly involved with said fraudulent transactions. You further agree that Virtuatrade shall not be held liable for any damages resulting from actions taken against fraudulent or unauthorized transactions.

So people, don't think you can save your funds from LL by placing them in your SLX account. Cash out of SLX as often as possible or some arbirtrary Linden Ban could clean out your SL account and your SLX account.
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3Ring Binder
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03-28-2008 11:06
or simply behave so you don't get banned from video games and their accomplices. just a thought.
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Lias Leandros
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03-28-2008 11:07
From: 3Ring Binder
or simply behave so you don't get banned from video games and their accomplices. just a thought.

We now have the official response from the hall-monitor.
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03-28-2008 11:08
LOL i'm not a perpetual victim. i plan ahead.
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Chris Norse
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03-28-2008 11:10
3Ring made a lot of sense with her post.
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Lias Leandros
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03-28-2008 11:10
Well that is what this post is about - plan to be screwed by SLX if Linden Lab tells them to do so. Just a community announcement.
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Rioko Bamaisin
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03-28-2008 11:14
Well if the money is in question,wouldn't that be the right thing for SLX to do?(freeze the account)...


ETA-Did she get banned because of behavior or was there some kind of money issue?(stolen etc..)
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Chris Norse
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03-28-2008 11:14
Not much different from the real world. Piss off the wrong people, you get your accounts frozen and seized in a lot of different places.
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Tiana Whitfield
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03-28-2008 11:16
If you got a ban from SL that had nothing to do with money could SLX just wipe any money you had on their account with them?

What happens to lindens that they wipe ( IF they do ) ?.. Where do they go?
Toy LaFollette
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03-28-2008 11:17
Once again we hear one side of a story and are expected to react?
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03-28-2008 11:19
Yep, when you perpetrate fraud, they have a right to follow that course of action...For those that do nothing illegal, they have nothing to worry about.
Rioko Bamaisin
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03-28-2008 11:22
If it was a behavior issue,than I agree they need to give her,her money back. But if it was a money issue,than I can understand.
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Tiana Whitfield
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03-28-2008 11:22
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Yep, when you perpetrate fraud, they have a right to follow that course of action...For those that do nothing illegal, they have nothing to worry about.


But what if its a ban for being an idiot griefer and has nothing to do with any money.. can any lindens be wiped from SLX then? Where do ANY lindens that get wiped actually go?

I don't understand how it works.. I am trying!
Ashe1 Writer
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03-28-2008 11:24
Tiana, in that case, I doubt it.
Annabelle Babii
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03-28-2008 11:25
If they were a vendor on SLX, they would have to be suspended. Banned avatars cannot provide goods and services, or perform currency transactions.

..or am I missing something here?
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03-28-2008 11:25
If it was a ban for being an idiot griefer, consider it a stupidity tax.
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Jasmin Marquez
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03-28-2008 11:25
in their own pocket....


SLEX is not real fun and in the last couple of weeks more then 50 Merchants got banned by asking this yearly Question .... Why AC get other rights then normal users. Why People get banned for nothing but racism tolerated. and so on. SLEX forgets that Merchants and SL residents brought em to that place they are at right now. And yeah of course their Silent Partner AC with a lot of money. However if SLEX keeps doing this and tolerate their Merchants unless they are very huge friends they might close their Service soon. Onrez gets better each day and charge no fee at all. SLEX's childish try to recruit some Merchants or get older ones back with a Vendor Network might not work at all. With that said.... Bye Bye SLEX :)
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03-28-2008 11:29
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What happens to lindens that they wipe ( IF they do ) ?.. Where do they go?
They get.... taken care of. (^_^)

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Fia Tyne
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03-28-2008 11:31
This thread is nonsense. I've dealt with SLX as both customer and seller for years, and found them to be professional and responsive -- in fact more so than almost any online service I'm aware of. Since only speculation exists about allegations of banning, here is my attempt to fill the void: the person had it coming.
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03-28-2008 11:32
From: Lias Leandros
Well that is what this post is about - plan to be screwed by SLX if Linden Lab tells them to do so. Just a community announcement.


stop harrasing people and you wont get banned so often Lias
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Tiana Whitfield
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03-28-2008 11:33
From: Chris Norse
If it was a ban for being an idiot griefer, consider it a stupidity tax.


Do you really believe that? If someone was banned by "mistake" and managed to get their account back into good standing, maybe after god knows how much spent in phone calls.. only to find maybe a LOT of lindens wiped from SLX because of it?

Do you really think thats fair?

I'm confused at this.
CCTV Giant
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03-28-2008 11:34
Nice spin Lias. Perhaps you should submit the whole thread before you decide to post what you want people to believe. The SLX suspension was not due to the response it was due to the fact that the SLX TOS clearly states 'if you are in good standing with LL' -- Sami clearly goes on to say that the Exchange will be happy to release the account when the issue with Linden Labs is cleared up.

When real money is involved, expect real circumstances. If the account was possibly involved with suspicious or fraudulent activity, then good for the Exchange for shutting them down! The question also is -- What did this person do to get shutdown by LL? LL's banning system is not that arbitrary -- I have been put on hold once until I contacted support and was quickly reinstated and yes it had to do with Risk API. And....considering that is a pecuniary function, that directly effects the operation of the Exchange.

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Tiana Whitfield
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03-28-2008 11:39
From: CCTV Giant

When real money is involved, expect real circumstances. If the account was possibly involved with suspicious or fraudulent, then good for the Exchange for shutting them down! The question also is -- What did this person do to get shutdown by LL? LL's banning system is not that arbitrary -- I have been put on hold once until I contacted support and was quickly reinstated and yes it had to do with Risk API. And....considering that is a pecuniary function, that directly effects the operation of the Exchange.


I have never had any problems with SLX and don't plan on getting banned from either place.. but I am really curious about this.

If an account is shut down, what happens to any lindens in that persons account at SLX... even if they are banned from SL over nothing to do with money?
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03-28-2008 11:39
If someone is banned for fraud from SL and it involves products they sell on SLX then if SLX did anything other than freeze the account and refuse to pay out the funds they'd be complicit in the fraud.

If someone gets banned just for being a jerk I can't see that SLX would have any justification for retaining any funds they might have due to the ban, BUT since SLX pays out in L$ to active SL accounts, it's not unreasonable for them to say "sorry, you're SOL." If that's their stance (which would be understandable) then it should be in their TOS that you have to have a valid SL membership in good standing in order to receive any cashout (provided that's the only way they ever pay out). I've never read it so I have no idea if it is or not.

Bottom line - don't get banned from SL. It's really NOT that hard to do. :p
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03-28-2008 11:40
From: Tiana Whitfield
Do you really believe that? If someone was banned by "mistake" and managed to get their account back into good standing, maybe after god knows how much spent in phone calls.. only to find maybe a LOT of lindens wiped from SLX because of it?

Do you really think thats fair?

I'm confused at this.


By mistake and because you are an idiot griefer are two different animals.
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