Can someone see an IP Adress?
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Brenda Connolly
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08-30-2008 08:56
From: Anthony Hocken The IP/location lookups are often a few miles out, but doing a traceroute on the IP can sometimes reveal the exact town as part of the domain in one or more of the final hops. That's the case with my cable connection. Given some of the psychos out there this is a little too close for comfort! http://www.nbc10.com/news/17266191/detail.htmlCan confirm that. Last time I looked it shows up in the server stats as Mozilla. That's why happiness is a warm shotgun. Oh Jesus, she's a Postal Worker. What a surprise..... 
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08-30-2008 09:18
From: Tarina Sewell You mean the actual services itself or renter of the service.. Because I had rented a stream and I only got how many people were on it not IP addresses, maybe I just don't know... I really don't care about the IPs myself but I'd like to know how you get those. you go to the shoutcast page and click on Admin Login, enter your username and password and voila you can see what ip's are tuned in to your stream. most people know this trick actually, probably a reason why most people rent a stream lol. of course this isn't much use if the listener spoofs their i.p, and really an i.p address isn't of much use as most people have dynamic i.p's anyway.
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Mjolnir Uriza
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08-30-2008 09:31
From: Brenda Connolly That's why happiness is a warm shotgun. Oh Jesus, she's a Postal Worker. What a surprise.....  i thought it was happiness is a warm uzi
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Brenda Connolly
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08-30-2008 09:32
From: Mjolnir Uriza i thought it was happiness is a warm uzi I prefer to buy American
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08-30-2008 09:35
From: Monalisa Robbiani If you start a media stream (music, web page) or if you click an object that opens a URL your avatar can be linked to your IP by the owner of these services. Yeah but how often is a webspace associated with your ISP or your exact IP address? For the latter to happen, your PC has to be set as a server and hosting the page. I host my mp4s on a domain hosting site located in another country. They're unix based and I trust anyone sniffing too strongly would be dealt with.
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Anthony Hocken
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08-30-2008 10:22
From: Holocluck Henly Yeah but how often is a webspace associated with your ISP or your exact IP address? For the latter to happen, your PC has to be set as a server and hosting the page.
You're getting this back to front. Monalisa (and the rest of the thread) is referring to the IP address of the visitor.
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08-30-2008 10:39
From: Djamila Marikh This...or tell them, come on over Brenda is not doing much, other than cleaning her shotgun. I do not even know Brenda and the latter always works for me. might get yahoos who are into watching those 'girls with guns' vids though! ;0 p.s. although one does want to be cautious about it, an ip address isn't much to worry about. to me it's a little like that athf episode with the mummy - "HUG! or CURSE! CURSE!" the crew finally just got tired of the mummy and threw him into the trash by the curb, then from the backyard they could hear it still scolding "CUUUURSE! CURRRRSE!" from the trash, like some ineffectual nanny... ;0
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08-30-2008 10:42
From: Tarina Sewell so much for privacy huh? Yup, so don't play media streams of "DJs" and other private stuff you don't trust. If you are the only one on the plot, or if your country of residence is known and you are the only one with that kind of IP on the plot, the DJ (if they own the stream) will know your IP. That is also the biggest problem I see with "web on a prim". Anyone capable of hosting a single HTML page will be able to associate avatars with IPs, know where we live and so on. This is not an issue if you live in a huge country and/or a city with 10 million people. It is an issue though if you live in a small country with few people using SL. And besides that, even my country of residence is no one's business.
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08-30-2008 10:43
From: Nyoko Salome might get yahoos who are into watching those 'girls with guns' vids though! ;0 That could be a theme for our next calendar
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08-30-2008 10:48
From: Brenda Connolly That could be a theme for our next calendar lol! dance party/target practice... ;0 at baker street a few weeks ago someone let loose a bunch of those annoying-but-destroyable daleks... i pulled out ordinal's handy rifle and had fun with that ;0 i had just put on alien skin so i really got to be 'green assassin grrl!' ;0
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Desmond Shang
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08-30-2008 11:44
My IP address resolves to Irvine, California. I don't live near there anymore, though I did 20 years ago - it's a sort of yuppie residental suburbia for the most part. I wonder what a stalker would do - wander down the middle of the endless maze of suburban Irvine streets, spurs rattling, calling out: "Shang! I know you are here! Come out and Finish this!" Not that it would matter because the IP is in the wrong city, and it's a greater metropolitan area of over 6 million people anyway... God help anyone who actually found me. I live in an older part of the county, where there aren't any home owner associations and people have huge dogs that are waaaaaay more effective than guns. I wouldn't hear anyone trying to break in, they would never get that far. I'd just wonder what all the barking and screaming was about, and go look in the morning.
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08-30-2008 11:46
A dog would save on shotgun cleanings.
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08-30-2008 13:40
My only para about IPs is some one bored enough to make your IP a port sniffing/scanning hobby looking for weakness and exploits.
Not many can claim their machines are Fort Knox and even then ... there is always someone smarter and while there are some of the smartest peoples in SL I've met in a long while, a lot of peoples are not so savvy.
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Brenda Connolly
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08-30-2008 13:50
he he Fort Knox? Not even close. My machine is more like Fort Lauderdale....during Spring Break.
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08-30-2008 13:57
You're so funny  You're gonna need a bigger gun ...dog  But ya!
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08-30-2008 14:07
In most cases (hopefully, mwahaHAHAHA, okay enough drama) someone probably isnt smart enough to follow the clues even if they're there, but here's one random example:
1) Victim tells Stalker-to-be they like to go swimming on Saturday mornings. 2) Stalker tells victim "hay check out my blog, what do you think?" 3) Victim visits website and their IP address is logged in the site stats. 4) Stalker converts IP address to nearest town/city (using free lookup service and/or traceroute) 5) Stalker looks up swimming/leisure place in said town and waits. 6) Stalker kidnaps victim, duct tapes hands/feet/mouth, then holds captive in dark room for months doing unimaginable things (okay I lied about the drama).
Never underestimate social engineering to fill in the blanks.
Oh and if the victim has a Twitter/Facebook or similar microblogging account the stalker can probably skip #1 and dig up the info there instead.
Sleep tight!
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08-30-2008 15:33
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Had thought about the details of it. They could send you a PM with an image in it. If you read the message with images turned on, they get your IP. They can tell if you are online here, and what thread you are looking at, at http://forums.secondlife.com/online.php . There's some kind of brouhaha about something like this going on a third party SL related forum, which is what brings it to mind. Back in the old days the IP and username of everyone that posted in the wiki ( the old wiki, not the current one) was included in every wiki post, edit, etc. So does that mean it is still going on in SL. the photo in the PM = IP addy? I know she doesn't have to worry about the part of the hosting as a DJ, she's not. and doesn't have music on her comp. but reading the message above mine, sounds really creepy.
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Anthony Hocken
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08-30-2008 16:52
From: JacobAlan Markova So does that mean it is still going on in SL. the photo in the PM = IP addy?
By PM do you mean Profile? I don't think that's what SuezanneC was referring to - she was highlighting a potential privacy flaw with personal messages in forum software I think. The photo shown in the Profile within Second Life is served from servers at Linden Lab so you're fine there. It's only direct communication between your computer and another user's computer (or webserver they own/rent) that you should be aware of. From: JacobAlan Markova I know she doesn't have to worry about the part of the hosting as a DJ, she's not. and doesn't have music on her comp. but reading the message above mine, sounds really creepy.
If you was referring to my made up scenario above, sorry to spook you! Though good to highlight the possibility. Having been the victim of harassment from some random troll on the net a few years back and how people can behave when they think they're behind a screen of anonymity I say it's always a good idea to be aware of these possibilities. If you give out personal info which can be used by someone hiding their personal info you're at a extreme disadvantage right off the bat. If being harassed by anyone my general advice if it gets out of control is 1) completely ignore them - don't acknowledge their communications in any way, however provocative it might be, and under no circumstances reveal that they've upset you. 2) report them, 3) tell your friends who it is, what happened, and advise them to ignore them completely if approached - this helps form a barrier of protection against the possibility of the idiot sending fabricated rubbish to your friends, 4) ignore they exist and move on.
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Desmond Shang
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08-30-2008 17:06
From: Anthony Hocken In most cases (hopefully, mwahaHAHAHA, okay enough drama) someone probably isnt smart enough to follow the clues even if they're there, but here's one random example: 1) Victim tells Stalker-to-be they like to go swimming on Saturday mornings. 2) Stalker tells victim "hay check out my blog, what do you think?" 3) Victim visits website and their IP address is logged in the site stats. 4) Stalker converts IP address to nearest town/city (using free lookup service and/or traceroute) 5) Stalker looks up swimming/leisure place in said town and waits. 6) Stalker kidnaps victim, duct tapes hands/feet/mouth, then holds captive in dark room for months doing unimaginable things (okay I lied about the drama). Never underestimate social engineering to fill in the blanks. Oh and if the victim has a Twitter/Facebook or similar microblogging account the stalker can probably skip #1 and dig up the info there instead. Sleep tight! The utter irony is that there are likely entire communities wanting to sign up for item (6) listed above, unable to find enough stalkers willing to commit to that kind of personal attention... The other irony is that most stalkers leave an incredible trail of their own internet use and financial activities. Anonymity? Not hardly.
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08-30-2008 17:15
From: Desmond Shang The utter irony is that there are likely entire communities wanting to sign up for item (6) listed above, unable to find enough stalkers willing to commit to that kind of personal attention... I'll bow to your superior knowledge on that one lol From: Desmond Shang The other irony is that most stalkers leave an incredible trail of their own internet use and financial activities. Anonymity? Not hardly.
Usually yes, but firstly most people don't have the skills to follow such a trail, especially if it's being done via proxy servers which is trivial to do these days using TOR, and if it gets to the stage where professionals are investigating this it's already got out of hand. Secondly there's no saying their activities have to be conducted online once they've obtained the personal info.
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