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Thalic Mavendorf

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01-15-2009 15:49

If, by some chance, this bill gets passed, it will almost certainly be thrown out in the courts. Getting that law declared unconstitutional should be, as we say in the business, "so easy I could phone it in."

That is, of course, an exaggeration, an attorney would be expected to work hard and argue the case based on the very many precedents. Earlier, Viktoria posted a link to a news story about the CBLDF victory over the Internet Censorship Law in SC. This was decided by a Federal District Court, the same court that would consider the bill we are discussing. I have no doubt that the 4th circuit would also consider the law unconstitutional.

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01-15-2009 15:58

From: Kraelen Redgrave

What is wrong with kids using content filtering these days? Many online games and forums have optional profanity filters. Perhaps a better law would be to enforce the use of said filters for minors.

What's so hard about proper parenting and not stuffing little billy into a padded cocoon of 'for the children' knee jerk reactions...

After all we do that the poor kid will die of a heart attack as soon as he hits that mystical magical age of 18 and is suddenly ripped from the protection and made to see all the stuff that his parents hid from him.

Far better to parent and not hide the world from the kid, actually help them learn and understand what's out there.

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01-15-2009 15:59

*turns up the heat on the water pot another notch*

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01-15-2009 16:07

From: Ee Maculate

Don't people have better things to do with their time?

Some have other things to do that are just as bad or even worse. In my city we are having a special election this week to determine if all local government business should be conducted only in English - that is, no forms or signs translated into other languages (even though they now currently are translated).

This has nothing to do with language - it is open rudeness toward a growing immigrant population in our area (some may be illegal immigrants yes, but not all). The election itself is costing us 350 thousand tax dollars.

I'm going to grab the popcorn and see what happens. If it passes I will fully expect all the officious swaggering redneck creeps in office, including policemen, to use correct English grammar from now on, and I will be monitoring their statements with great interest.

To bring this back around to SL somehow - how wonderful that this on line community gets along as well as it does and for the most part overcomes cultural differences.

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01-15-2009 16:10

"wonder how many will become felons if this passes..."?

Fuckin' ME! You got THAT shit right! *grin*

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01-15-2009 18:34

Wow. Just wow. I guess South Carolina no longer wishes to be a part of the United States. OK by me if we just let 'em go. Anyone else object?

Either that, or a bunch of legislators have decided they'd rather not keep their jobs.

About all I can think to say is this: http://scifigeeks.net/sounds/7-words.wav

Anyway, there's no way such a law would ever hold up in court. Five years in jail for saying the wrong word. Please.

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01-15-2009 19:13

I just talked to a contact I have on the staff in the SC legislature. She said that the bill was very unlikely to be reported out of committee and will likely simply die due to lack of support. It was introduced as a feel-good measure by one person in a very conservative district who only wants to claim credit for introducing it.

That is just one person's opinion, but she is well connected; it is probably correct.

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01-15-2009 19:19

From: Marybeth Cooperstone

I just talked to a contact I have on the staff in the SC legislature. She said that the bill was very unlikely to be reported out of committee and will likely simply die due to lack of support. It was introduced as a feel-good measure by one person in a very conservative district who only wants to claim credit for introducing it.

That is just one person's opinion, but she is well connected; it is probably correct.

Mary

Much like the various game laws Jack Thompson helped with... they wound up getting to teh floor and voted on because of the 'for the children' brigade.

None wanted to be on record as voting against such a measure

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Farallon Greyskin

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01-15-2009 21:17

It's really a non issue. That same idiot has been submitting that same bill every year he as been in office and every year it is eimmediately rejected by commitee.

Any idiot rep can submit any stupid thing they want, it doesn't mean it'll become law or ever will.

And yet he keeps getting reelected...

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01-16-2009 01:54

isn't that an old state law just being amended in a couple of spots?

EDIT: I am still having my first cup of tea lol ..i see this is a bill..lol
this sounds like something i would hear on the local news here in tennessee..we always have those old timers that throw up some McCarthy style bills..
most times they are laughed off..

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01-16-2009 02:25

I live in South Carolina. With the vast amount of religious groups here, i don't see anything standing in it's way from passing(but i could be wrong. i am new to SC). I don't swear in public my self so I should be safe lol. I was in the store the other day and this girl was on her cell phone saying "F" this and "F" that and "F" that mother"F"er, just as loud as she could and didn't care about any ones kids and families standing right there. Some people just dont have manners and lol. I moved from Oklahoma and currently on their books it is illegal To Swear in front of Women and children, which has been a law for a long time. There has been many rock bands who have been hauled off to jail and hit with some pretty stiff fines for swearing during their concerts. People in the nearby neighborhood could hear them so someone complained I guess.
I dunno, the law doesn't bother me. Manners should be used in public I think and, think about others around us.
I guess that's why I run PG venues lol..
Some politician probly got stuck at a stop light and his kids were forced to listen to some nasty gangsta rap .. and said. WE NEED LAWS! lol'

EDIT: One band that was hauled off and fined in Oklahoma made up the fines by selling T-shirts that said "Tulsa police Suck!" In the front and back. Those T's were a number 1 seller lol'

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From: Dilbert Dilweg

I live in South Carolina. With the vast amount of religious groups here, i don't see anything standing in it's way from passing(but i could be wrong. i am new to SC). I don't swear in public my self so I should be safe lol. I was in the store the other day and this girl was on her cell phone saying "F" this and "F" that and "F" that mother"F"er, just as loud as she could and didn't care about any ones kids and families standing right there. Some people just dont have manners and lol. I moved from Oklahoma and currently on their books it is illegal To Swear in front of Women and children, which has been a law for a long time. There has been many rock bands who have been hauled off to jail and hit with some pretty stiff fines for swearing during their concerts. People in the nearby neighborhood could hear them so someone complained I guess.
I dunno, the law doesn't bother me. Manners should be used in public I think and, think about others around us.
I guess that's why I run PG venues lol..
Some politician probly got stuck at a stop light and his kids were forced to listen to some nasty gangsta rap .. and said. WE NEED LAWS! lol'

i live close to a small town..i used to live in it till i moved to the country..
in most cases someone will step up and confront someone getting loud like that with a filthy mouth..
we get a lot of people that are new moving here all the time because of the saturn plant and nissan that are close by and once in awhile you will see some adult telling a new kid to town to watch his mouth..
i'm not saying there are no bad mouths born here because there sure are..lol but they don't walk in spouting it in public for all to hear..they know they'll get read the riot act..

most parents will take it to a childs butt right in the checkout line if they get out of line and not miss a step..

just a few days ago this boy in line would not stop screaming for one of those bottle pops and the mom kept telling him to settle down .no you aren't getting it..the boy got worse ..so finally she tanned his butt right there on the spot..the boy was crying and put it back on the shelf..
the cute part was..when they got out of line she stopped and knelt down and was talking to the boy..then he gave her a hug and they went on out..

i've seen people try to jump in and tell someone to leave their kid alone

oh no you didn't just get in my business did you !!??

someone walking around with a filthy mouth for anyone to hear and nobody tells them to watch their mouth..thats a community thats gonna get walked all over..
you don't need laws to have people watching what they say..you need people in the community saying to them..hey have some respect for the rest of us..

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01-16-2009 08:47

Don't be fooled thinking this can't be passed.
yesterday a city managment in the netherland readopted a general local ordament making it iligal to curse inside their city limits, funny thing is that this same thing was revoked last year becasue it can't be upheld the christian parties wanted it back for symbolic reasons.
there are at least 3 more cities in the netherlands with simular rules all in our bible belt.

obviusly nobody cares and the police don't have the time to do anything with those rules.

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01-16-2009 08:54

i could see maybe passing in a town maybe even a county..it gets real iffy at the state level and i doubt it would get the time of day trying to go federal...

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01-16-2009 19:58

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Wow. Just wow. I guess South Carolina no longer wishes to be a part of the United States. OK by me if we just let 'em go. Anyone else object?

I gotta have somewhere to move back to so I can get outta southeast TN. Let's keep Greenville, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach. Georgia can have the rest. !

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01-16-2009 20:30

Myrtle Beach for the WIN!!

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01-16-2009 22:26

From: Ceka Cianci

i live close to a small town..i used to live in it till i moved to the country..
in most cases someone will step up and confront someone getting loud like that with a filthy mouth..
we get a lot of people that are new moving here all the time because of the saturn plant and nissan that are close by and once in awhile you will see some adult telling a new kid to town to watch his mouth..
i'm not saying there are no bad mouths born here because there sure are..lol but they don't walk in spouting it in public for all to hear..they know they'll get read the riot act..

most parents will take it to a childs butt right in the checkout line if they get out of line and not miss a step..

just a few days ago this boy in line would not stop screaming for one of those bottle pops and the mom kept telling him to settle down .no you aren't getting it..the boy got worse ..so finally she tanned his butt right there on the spot..the boy was crying and put it back on the shelf..
the cute part was..when they got out of line she stopped and knelt down and was talking to the boy..then he gave her a hug and they went on out..

i've seen people try to jump in and tell someone to leave their kid alone

oh no you didn't just get in my business did you !!??

someone walking around with a filthy mouth for anyone to hear and nobody tells them to watch their mouth..thats a community thats gonna get walked all over..
you don't need laws to have people watching what they say..you need people in the community saying to them..hey have some respect for the rest of us..

Heh...Saturn....Nissan.....those are both close to that little town that has two claims to fame.....prosecuting a teacher for teaching evolution...and passing a law that said no gays or lesbians could live there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114467,00.html

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wonder how many will become felons if this passes...
Thalic Mavendorf Registered User Join date: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 21	01-15-2009 15:49 If, by some chance, this bill gets passed, it will almost certainly be thrown out in the courts. Getting that law declared unconstitutional should be, as we say in the business, "so easy I could phone it in." That is, of course, an exaggeration, an attorney would be expected to work hard and argue the case based on the very many precedents. Earlier, Viktoria posted a link to a news story about the CBLDF victory over the Internet Censorship Law in SC. This was decided by a Federal District Court, the same court that would consider the bill we are discussing. I have no doubt that the 4th circuit would also consider the law unconstitutional.
MortVent Charron Can haz cuddles now? Join date: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,942	01-15-2009 15:58 From: Kraelen Redgrave What is wrong with kids using content filtering these days? Many online games and forums have optional profanity filters. Perhaps a better law would be to enforce the use of said filters for minors. What's so hard about proper parenting and not stuffing little billy into a padded cocoon of 'for the children' knee jerk reactions... After all we do that the poor kid will die of a heart attack as soon as he hits that mystical magical age of 18 and is suddenly ripped from the protection and made to see all the stuff that his parents hid from him. Far better to parent and not hide the world from the kid, actually help them learn and understand what's out there. _____________________ ========================================== Bippity boppity boo! I'm stalking you! 9 out of 10 voices in my head don't like you... the 10th went to get the ammo
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	01-15-2009 15:59 turns up the heat on the water pot another notch
Weston Graves Werebeagle Join date: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 2,059	01-15-2009 16:07 From: Ee Maculate Don't people have better things to do with their time? Some have other things to do that are just as bad or even worse. In my city we are having a special election this week to determine if all local government business should be conducted only in English - that is, no forms or signs translated into other languages (even though they now currently are translated). This has nothing to do with language - it is open rudeness toward a growing immigrant population in our area (some may be illegal immigrants yes, but not all). The election itself is costing us 350 thousand tax dollars. I'm going to grab the popcorn and see what happens. If it passes I will fully expect all the officious swaggering redneck creeps in office, including policemen, to use correct English grammar from now on, and I will be monitoring their statements with great interest. To bring this back around to SL somehow - how wonderful that this on line community gets along as well as it does and for the most part overcomes cultural differences.
Mickey McLuhan She of the SwissArmy Tail Join date: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 1,032	01-15-2009 16:10 "wonder how many will become felons if this passes..."? Fuckin' ME! You got THAT shit right! grin _____________________ 0.0 Where there's smoke, there isn't always fire. It might just be a particle display. -Mari-
Chosen Few Alpha Channel Slave Join date: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 7,496	01-15-2009 18:34 Wow. Just wow. I guess South Carolina no longer wishes to be a part of the United States. OK by me if we just let 'em go. Anyone else object? Either that, or a bunch of legislators have decided they'd rather not keep their jobs. About all I can think to say is this: http://scifigeeks.net/sounds/7-words.wav Anyway, there's no way such a law would ever hold up in court. Five years in jail for saying the wrong word. Please. _____________________ . Land now available for rent in Indigo. Low rates. Quiet, low-lag mainland sim with good neighbors. IM me in-world if you're interested.
Marybeth Cooperstone Registered User Join date: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 138	01-15-2009 19:13 I just talked to a contact I have on the staff in the SC legislature. She said that the bill was very unlikely to be reported out of committee and will likely simply die due to lack of support. It was introduced as a feel-good measure by one person in a very conservative district who only wants to claim credit for introducing it. That is just one person's opinion, but she is well connected; it is probably correct. Mary
MortVent Charron Can haz cuddles now? Join date: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,942	01-15-2009 19:19 From: Marybeth Cooperstone I just talked to a contact I have on the staff in the SC legislature. She said that the bill was very unlikely to be reported out of committee and will likely simply die due to lack of support. It was introduced as a feel-good measure by one person in a very conservative district who only wants to claim credit for introducing it. That is just one person's opinion, but she is well connected; it is probably correct. Mary Much like the various game laws Jack Thompson helped with... they wound up getting to teh floor and voted on because of the 'for the children' brigade. None wanted to be on record as voting against such a measure _____________________ ========================================== Bippity boppity boo! I'm stalking you! 9 out of 10 voices in my head don't like you... the 10th went to get the ammo
Farallon Greyskin Cranky Seal Join date: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 491	01-15-2009 21:17 It's really a non issue. That same idiot has been submitting that same bill every year he as been in office and every year it is eimmediately rejected by commitee. Any idiot rep can submit any stupid thing they want, it doesn't mean it'll become law or ever will. And yet he keeps getting reelected...
Ceka Cianci SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc# Join date: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,489	01-16-2009 01:54 isn't that an old state law just being amended in a couple of spots? EDIT: I am still having my first cup of tea lol ..i see this is a bill..lol this sounds like something i would hear on the local news here in tennessee..we always have those old timers that throw up some McCarthy style bills.. most times they are laughed off.. _____________________ Free Your Mind http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceka_cianci/
Dilbert Dilweg Loading.... Join date: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 500	01-16-2009 02:25 I live in South Carolina. With the vast amount of religious groups here, i don't see anything standing in it's way from passing(but i could be wrong. i am new to SC). I don't swear in public my self so I should be safe lol. I was in the store the other day and this girl was on her cell phone saying "F" this and "F" that and "F" that mother"F"er, just as loud as she could and didn't care about any ones kids and families standing right there. Some people just dont have manners and lol. I moved from Oklahoma and currently on their books it is illegal To Swear in front of Women and children, which has been a law for a long time. There has been many rock bands who have been hauled off to jail and hit with some pretty stiff fines for swearing during their concerts. People in the nearby neighborhood could hear them so someone complained I guess. I dunno, the law doesn't bother me. Manners should be used in public I think and, think about others around us. I guess that's why I run PG venues lol.. Some politician probly got stuck at a stop light and his kids were forced to listen to some nasty gangsta rap .. and said. WE NEED LAWS! lol' EDIT: One band that was hauled off and fined in Oklahoma made up the fines by selling T-shirts that said "Tulsa police Suck!" In the front and back. Those T's were a number 1 seller lol' _____________________ Founder of Sweethearts Singles Dating Site http://date.sweetheartsjazz.com Visit our Social network Site http://www.sweetheartsjazz.com To Visit us in World Sweethearts jazz http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sweethearts/197/148/24 Love everyone
Ceka Cianci SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc# Join date: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,489	01-16-2009 03:07 From: Dilbert Dilweg I live in South Carolina. With the vast amount of religious groups here, i don't see anything standing in it's way from passing(but i could be wrong. i am new to SC). I don't swear in public my self so I should be safe lol. I was in the store the other day and this girl was on her cell phone saying "F" this and "F" that and "F" that mother"F"er, just as loud as she could and didn't care about any ones kids and families standing right there. Some people just dont have manners and lol. I moved from Oklahoma and currently on their books it is illegal To Swear in front of Women and children, which has been a law for a long time. There has been many rock bands who have been hauled off to jail and hit with some pretty stiff fines for swearing during their concerts. People in the nearby neighborhood could hear them so someone complained I guess. I dunno, the law doesn't bother me. Manners should be used in public I think and, think about others around us. I guess that's why I run PG venues lol.. Some politician probly got stuck at a stop light and his kids were forced to listen to some nasty gangsta rap .. and said. WE NEED LAWS! lol' i live close to a small town..i used to live in it till i moved to the country.. in most cases someone will step up and confront someone getting loud like that with a filthy mouth.. we get a lot of people that are new moving here all the time because of the saturn plant and nissan that are close by and once in awhile you will see some adult telling a new kid to town to watch his mouth.. i'm not saying there are no bad mouths born here because there sure are..lol but they don't walk in spouting it in public for all to hear..they know they'll get read the riot act.. most parents will take it to a childs butt right in the checkout line if they get out of line and not miss a step.. just a few days ago this boy in line would not stop screaming for one of those bottle pops and the mom kept telling him to settle down .no you aren't getting it..the boy got worse ..so finally she tanned his butt right there on the spot..the boy was crying and put it back on the shelf.. the cute part was..when they got out of line she stopped and knelt down and was talking to the boy..then he gave her a hug and they went on out.. i've seen people try to jump in and tell someone to leave their kid alone oh no you didn't just get in my business did you !!?? someone walking around with a filthy mouth for anyone to hear and nobody tells them to watch their mouth..thats a community thats gonna get walked all over.. you don't need laws to have people watching what they say..you need people in the community saying to them..hey have some respect for the rest of us.. _____________________ Free Your Mind http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceka_cianci/
Abigail Merlin Child av on the lose Join date: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 777	01-16-2009 08:47 Don't be fooled thinking this can't be passed. yesterday a city managment in the netherland readopted a general local ordament making it iligal to curse inside their city limits, funny thing is that this same thing was revoked last year becasue it can't be upheld the christian parties wanted it back for symbolic reasons. there are at least 3 more cities in the netherlands with simular rules all in our bible belt. obviusly nobody cares and the police don't have the time to do anything with those rules.
Ceka Cianci SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc# Join date: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,489	01-16-2009 08:54 i could see maybe passing in a town maybe even a county..it gets real iffy at the state level and i doubt it would get the time of day trying to go federal... _____________________ Free Your Mind http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceka_cianci/
Aleister DaSilva insert witty phrase here Join date: 19 May 2005 Posts: 168	01-16-2009 19:58 From: Chosen Few Wow. Just wow. I guess South Carolina no longer wishes to be a part of the United States. OK by me if we just let 'em go. Anyone else object? I gotta have somewhere to move back to so I can get outta southeast TN. Let's keep Greenville, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach. Georgia can have the rest. ! _____________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Ceka Cianci SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc# Join date: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,489	01-16-2009 20:30 Myrtle Beach for the WIN!! _____________________ Free Your Mind http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceka_cianci/
Aleister DaSilva insert witty phrase here Join date: 19 May 2005 Posts: 168	01-16-2009 22:26 From: Ceka Cianci i live close to a small town..i used to live in it till i moved to the country.. in most cases someone will step up and confront someone getting loud like that with a filthy mouth.. we get a lot of people that are new moving here all the time because of the saturn plant and nissan that are close by and once in awhile you will see some adult telling a new kid to town to watch his mouth.. i'm not saying there are no bad mouths born here because there sure are..lol but they don't walk in spouting it in public for all to hear..they know they'll get read the riot act.. most parents will take it to a childs butt right in the checkout line if they get out of line and not miss a step.. just a few days ago this boy in line would not stop screaming for one of those bottle pops and the mom kept telling him to settle down .no you aren't getting it..the boy got worse ..so finally she tanned his butt right there on the spot..the boy was crying and put it back on the shelf.. the cute part was..when they got out of line she stopped and knelt down and was talking to the boy..then he gave her a hug and they went on out.. i've seen people try to jump in and tell someone to leave their kid alone oh no you didn't just get in my business did you !!?? someone walking around with a filthy mouth for anyone to hear and nobody tells them to watch their mouth..thats a community thats gonna get walked all over.. you don't need laws to have people watching what they say..you need people in the community saying to them..hey have some respect for the rest of us.. Heh...Saturn....Nissan.....those are both close to that little town that has two claims to fame.....prosecuting a teacher for teaching evolution...and passing a law that said no gays or lesbians could live there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114467,00.html _____________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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