Island to Jam with other Musicians!!

This stuff is going on every hour of the day in SL! It's such a shame that it's so badly-publicized. There is SO much live music in Second Life!

Check out SL groups like Live Music Enthusiasts, Circe's Circle of Sound and I'd be remiss if I didn't plug my own in Silas Xanadu. All of these groups will give you notices when there are live shows taking place and there are LOADS of them every day.

I am still kinda giggling at people claiming (quite confidently) what cant be done, when it is actually BEING done every day in SL. TY to Silas for posting info WHERE to find more info about streaming and 'jamming'. Proof wont be found on the forums though ...it is found IN-world, where there are hundreds of performers playing live music every day from hundreds of venues. Bands like VLB are awesome - and even more-so when you understand they are all 'jamming' ....by adding one layer over the next....untill the listener (you and me hanging out at the venue) hears the entire collaboration (delayed sure) but streaming into my computer exactly the same as I would hear it if they were all in the same room. This is not fantasy, this is happening every day.

search - events - live music - ....that is where you find proof. Live music in SL is alive and kicking!

Alazarin, Osprey, Dist, Silas and Tommy have already given all the obvious weblinks and the link to the slmc forum (very useful!!).
As for inworld.... anyone who finds it hard to believe there's live music in SL and wants to check it out, gimme a shout inworld IM sometime, I'll gladly throw you my notecards with info etc and drag you around

ETA... there are people with places and streams available where you could sit around the proverbial campfire and play. You can find those in the SLMC forum as well. Forum is free to join and full of helpful people.

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If proof is needed then hopefully the weight of posts pointing out that it can be done from all sorts of people involved in the music scene will go some way to persuading.

Putting my hand up here as a live musician http://www.djaiskjellerup.com and I use streaming software Simplecast to broadcast my music live into SL at many different venues. When I started about 13 months ago there were approximately 75 acts already doing it. Now I'd estimate there being over 300 live acts of all different sorts.

I have done the stream chaining method of jamming that Distilled describes above. In this scenario each musician hears the ones that are previous to them in the stream chain. The first musician in the chain doesnt hear anyone else and just plays their thing. The other musicians each add their bit and pass it on to the next. The audience hears everything as they are the final recipients of the chain.

I havent used NINJAM but I know it works as I have heard it used excellently by Virtual Live Band. It works for sure.

So anyone involved in this thread or just reading it....join the in world group LIVE MUSIC ENTHUSIASTS and you'll start getting notices of live music shows you can attend. Alternatively use the SL search function on the Live Music category and you will see all the shows that are on.

There are literally 100s of performances a week...so please spread the word that live music and live jamming happens in SL!

If you want proof, watch the Live Music Event listings for Virtual Live Band, catch a concert and im one of the five performers after the show blows your doors off. They'll explain to you how they spend five nights per week rehearsing to get that tight sound. They'll also explain that, geographically, they all live in different countries, spread across three continents.

Second Life is the most AMAZING place for live music (yes, I mean live, not an mp3 or CD), which is routinely streamed in. I've been running live music venues for over year and half and am currently presenting approximately 18 hours per week at my two venues, Rocky Shores and Cascadia Harmonics.

But the best place (in my opinion) to be introduced to the wonderful virtual world of SL Live Music is the Hummingbird Cafe on any Thursday night where they've been running an open mic every week for over two years. Some of the biggest stars in SL Music (yes, SL Live Music even has stars!) got their start there. It runs from 4pm SLT until it's done and is always listed in the inworld Search under the Events tab, Live Music drop down.

Sometimes it's done that way. There have been some AWESOME global collaborations done like that including "Get it Together", composed by Djai Skjellerup (Djai, link please) in which twelve of Second Life's more popular performers, from all over the world, sent tracks to Toby Lancaster to mix down into an awesome mp3 (available free if only I had the link close to hand).

But what you're seeing and hearing there in Osprey's YouTube links was NOT done that way. It was done live, in real time and streamed directly (with a few seconds delay) to an appreciative audience on an SL sim.

As for "not this year", nope. It's been going on pretty much daily since early *last* year .

Also, someone mentioned "a celebrity might come in and we'd never know it". Actually, Bob Welch appeared (in the pixel in real time) with Second Life's own Von Johin and cypress Rosewood at Gibson (as in the guitar makers) Island just last week. But the folks at the concert did know it .

There's a whole vibrant and exciting LIVE (yes LIVE and REAL TIME) music scene in SL waiting for you to discover and explore!!!!!

Hi, I'm Snow, and I'm a jamaholic.

And I'd like to tell everybody why ejamming or ninjamming or whatever you want to call it is not, and will never be, jamming. Which is not to say it isn't worth trying or that some people haven't used it effectively. But the semantics of it is a crucial point, for me at least.

First, a nod to the VLB. They do a decent show and are all fine musicians (their musical tastes just don't jive with mine, np). However, what most people probably haven't stopped to think about is how much WORK these guys have had to put in to get it where they got it. They didn't just sit down one day and crank out an hour's worth of material. Like any other form of new anything, there are wrinkles to be explored, kinks to be ironed out and given the natural obstacles to any band (personality conflicts, egos, "you're wreckin' my tune" etc) it's a great credit to them that they've managed to last this long, albeit with personnel changes.

I have heard a couple of one-offs that blew me away. Cylindrian with Frogg & Jaycatt comes to mind and one night Chronic Skronski joined Max Kleene for the best damn version of Blue Rodeo's Hasn't Hit Me Yet I've ever heard. Still buzzin' over that one guys (course I was "jammin'" along at home But as good as that tune was, their after-show responses to compliments in IM spoke volumes. Chronic could hear Max, but Max couldn't hear Chronic. Max's response was polite, and appreciative, no argument. But Chronic's was excited. No one's ever going to tell me Max got as much out that performance as Chronic did, or at least not the same thing.

Silas summed it up for me perfectly one night when he said: "Somebody is always relegated to being a human click track." And while the metaphor itself is a bit out, the philosophy is bang on.

Jamming is about spontaneity. It's about exploration. It's about somebody taking something everybody's played a hundred times in a different direction — and everybody following along. But most importantly, it's about that "group grin" that simply can't be shared over cyberspace lines.

It's about instant connection with someone you've never met before, or a brand new connection with someone you've known for ages. It's about adventure, discovery, experimentation, sure, but mostly it's about interaction and the moment when everything clicks. And everybody in the band friggin' well knows it when it does click. Man, that moment. In an ejam, chances are only the last person in the chain is going feel that moment, if at all. It's a cinch the click-track person loses out.

Maybe some day we'll discover how to break the laws of physics and create something that can put everyone in the same garage via cyberspace. But it ain't there.

So yeah, when it comes to this ejam stuff, "bin there, done that, got Alazarin's T-shirt."

When it comes to an overall concept or standard operating procedure, it ain't jamming. It just ain't.

I'll shut up now. Nobody gives a damn what I think anyways.

Sorry, but Virtual Live Band performs several times a week, live streams, using Ninjam. Feel free to look them up on youtube.

My first encounter of hearing the relay stream was a long time ago hearing Cylindrian and Frogg. Very awsome set! I would love do do some gigs with other people.
I guess Emi is new to the live musician scene.

Snow, well "jamming" like we would do in the same room etc. no but I know you do and have done open mic jams where a couple songs are done and passed on and thats how I look at it. and hey if you go to Chronics site you can Download an MP3 of that Blue Rodeo song or any from that whole 2 hour show!!!


and Reid, if you ever want to try to get something going and try it with voice or stream, IM me I have the land campfire, full on stages club and stream needed, and voice enabled.

if your talking more new musician (as I see riff then have people talk) that can be done too! want to run a new musician kinda thing ? my venue and land is open for it just drop an IM. and com over to SLMC and share your thoughts as well.

Here is the link where you can download Get It together for free.

http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=623317

This will give you a poster which when you rez it out and click on it will give you a notecard with the location where you download the track. Please leave the poster somewhere prominent on your land so that other folks may see it and also learn about live music in SL.

Snow, you are right on with a 'strict definition' of what many would consider a 'jam'....but what I think is exciting is that people can actually play together - sure ...within the confines of the technology - but in a year ....or 2 years....or 6 months (who knows?) internet speeds and computer speeds might end up sucking all that lag out of the system to a workable real time medium. I do know this....the people I have seen doing collaborations, and even the one that is first in the chain...sure do have fun doing it. This is pretty new stuff people are trying, and of course we will look back in a few years and think.....omg...remember when we had to add one layer over the other....but you have to admit - we can split hairs over what people call a 'jam' - but the thought being pushed in this thread was alot broader than that...it was suggesting these collaborations were simply not possible.

I am also wondering how big of a bowl of cornflakes was going to be consumed

I have a ring pool 15 foot X 4 foot deep I can fill have family that makes Cornflakes ROFL

Guilty and I've been enjoyin' the hell out of 'em too. Sometimes I even go just to listen.
Still buzzin' over the Everybody-Do-Dylan one Mason Thorne organized at Pranksters. I had an absolute blast at that one.



Very cool man, thanks a million for that heads up. The actual performance I was referring to was the first week in July I think. But the version on Chronic's site is pretty damn good too



Guilty again man. Splitting semantical hairs is an occupational hazard of making most of your living writing I guess.

However, I do like your word "collaborations" or "collabs" as they're called on most of the post-yer-own-tunes sites like MacJams. I think it's a more aptly descriptive term for a lot of the musical exploring going on in SL. And yeah, there is some interesting exploring going on.

I should also probably admit that I'm also guilty of "jamming along" at concerts. Although it's not "jamming" per se, I do very much enjoy grabbing a six-string and picking along with the likes of Max, Chronic, Distilled, Silas, Capos Calderwood, Push Chandler, Forsythe Whitfield, Noma Falta and in particular Dallas Horsefly. Ah hell, I play along with damn near everybody, too many good ones to mention The point being, it's an enjoyable aspect of SL for me.

I am Guilty of jamming along with about everyone as well :lol: its a good part of the fun

Yeah the Dylan pass around was a blast Mason was talking about getting other ones like that together, its great fun and allows even more musicians to play a few songs and a blast to just be there listening

You can use a software- free- name NINJAM. Or send a stream to another musician and he can take it play over it and then send it to the world. These are two reliable way´s to play with others in SL.