Privacy Mode (Make yourself invisible to scripts)

Great story, and one thats valid. However, how would making it more difficult to be stalked be a disadvantage for your friend? How would increasing the difficulty of stalking disadvantage your friend?



See above.



This world is run by LL, and they are constantly improving things serverside and clientside. At present just as it used to be with email, hitting discard and mute are the only options. This does not preclude making more options available.



What you are saying is that even though you did not write the source, the source you hacked on was written is such a way as to be readable, and you were able to get a compile after adding your changes.

So do you think that maybe the person who *wrote* that source would be in a better position than you to make changes?

Hmmm.



Interesting proposition, do you think the god mode parts would be a good place to start?



Suggestion noted

mmm popcorn

Sorry for the cruel quote, but you just hit the nail on the head!

I already stated why. Because the griefer gets the same advantage, and the griefer has more energy to spend looking, while my friend just wanted to spend her energy doing what she normally does. In that situation, there is no net gain for her, and actually makes it harder for her to avoid said person, since he could be present for a long time to do who knows what before she realized he was there griefing her.



Sorry, still don't see it. :-/



Sure, and things that provide a net positive to ALL, I am good with. Things that provide little to no net positive, except to small, insecure groups of people, or, better yet, GRIEFERS, I am NOT good with.



No, what I said was that it is likely more complex than you probably understand.



That is highly dependent on the source in question, my skill with that particular kind of system, and if the original person who wrote it still is available to work on it.



Hmmm, indeed.



Start wherever you like. Most people start at the beginning.

Even more cruel is the implied corollary: "..and you're likely never to see any in the future, either".

I do understand your sentiment and why this can be appealing. However, it does highlight personal privacy concerns. One example being a landlord on the premises and their tenant blissfully unaware. This is not a SL issue per se, its a social concern in any world. While landlords do have rights to access their property, I don't think this extends to being on the premises without the tenant being aware that they are, while the tenant is also present.

As I have mentioned, as have many others; this proposal (as originally written) fails to address the simple privacy maxim on a personal level: When we are in the same shared space then if you can see me, I should be able to see you. And it doesn't matter whether that space is privately or publicly owned. In my opinion the maxim should hold true in either case.

Just a note on the griefing aspects of cloaking, and I refer to my previous question re. If I cloak against scripts then I can't use scripts myself to interact with the world around me.

Greifing takes many forms; cagers, followers, etc are just one of the more visible means. Far more greifing is done verbally both in chat and voice. Something that is certainly not exclusive to SL. But thats neither here nor there really. By mentioning this I only wanted to put the following into context.

Suppose I wanted to greif you. I harrass you, and you cloak. The greif is complete. I've reduced your ability to interact with the world around you.

These 2 things right here is what I would really like to see implemented.

There are ways now that you can currently ban an avatar's body from entering a restricted area but there is none for doing the same for their camera. IMO they are both the same and should be treated as such. Anyone who has disabled camera restraints can go and peer into any area they want to from afar.

There is no such thing as privacy in SL, it dosent exist. All the area protection devices made are worth nothing if you ask me. The only thing that is protected is someone being able to physically have their avatar on your land, so why not your viewable space? You wouldn't even have to cloak everything, if you didn't want anyone to see what you are doing all you would have to do is put the shades up without worrying somebody would be having their cam sitting right next to you.

One good benefit to having this would be for builders, you wouldn't have to worry about anybody moving their cam into your work zone taking snapshot's of your latest and greatest project.

I do like the idea of having countless greeters and landmark givers given the silent treatment and I applaud those that go the click this sign for one route, TY. Maybe there could be some form of a required line of script that would have to be inserted into said devices that would tell the viewers client there is one nearby and if they had the mute function activated they wouldn't be bothered by it. And no thanks to the idea of flying high above sensors, dosen't that defeat the purpose of walking around to shop, how you supposed to find what you are looking for that high up?....lol And I would still like my freinds to be in contact with me if I wanted to, no reason to have everything on mute.

I personally would love to have an options window that would let me mute anything that I wanted. No greifing...check....No bling rendering...check.....No annoying other avatar stupid sounds....check......No annoying other avatar stupid animations.....check. No, having to click mute for 20 people separatly just dosen't cut it, one check to rule them all will do just fine.

Yeah I agree scripting things makes for a more robust experience, but sometimes it gets out of hand and rediculous. The worst offenders IMO is camping stations, lot's of newbies with worthless resource hog scripts running that can bring your SL experience to a crashing halt and is the reason why alot of people come here once and never come back.

So yeah a choice of what you want and don't want running is good for some things, but like already mentioned land security and avatar radar avoidance should not be on the list.

Scripts would have to be categorized for it to work that way so they would fall under the correct check box category, and in the long term scheme of things is a good thing to shoot for. Yeah all the scripters will cry "My stuff won't work anymore!!", well yeah, it's called Evolution, either evolve or get left behind in the caves....haha

Just my .02

You think?

We've established that it's possible to implement it.

So I guess we wait for someone to file suit for negligence. LL is based in the most litigious country on the planet right?

Now that's exactly a comment I'd expect from a jerk, oh ok this comment is made by a jerk too

"I personally would love to have an options window that would let me mute anything that I wanted. No greifing...check....No bling rendering...check.....No annoying other avatar stupid sounds....check......No annoying other avatar stupid animations.....check. No, having to click mute for 20 people separatly just dosen't cut it, one check to rule them all will do just fine."

Nice concept, but I don't know how you could implement it. The problem is that "griefing", "bling", "annoying" sounds, and "annoying" animations are all judgement calls. There's no way for software to tell what sounds, particles, animations, or scripts you want disabled, and which you find acceptable.

The Mute function allows you to provide this input to the software, by defining a particular PERSON as the source of the annoyance, rather than a particular thing they are doing.

I guess I didn’t make it clear but I was still just talking about script invisibility. If the landlord was in privacy mode, any gadget the tenet may have that notifies them when people are around won’t work on the landlord. However, the tenet would still see the landlord in-world and on the map/mini-map. I suppose it does make it easier for the landlord to spy on the tenets, but they’re not completely invisible. Besides, you can be spied on from over a sim away anyway.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but this proposal is about being invisible to scripts only. It's not about total invisibility (i.e., not having your avatar rendered in-world and not displaying on the map).

--Hugsy

Have we? I don't recall making that technical determination, myself. Even so, I refer back to the old maxim: "Just because we can do a thing doesn't infer that we must, or even should, do a thing". I think that definitely goes for things within which we all can see serious flaws.

I do accept and agree that your underlying cause is noble; I just cannot get behind this particular solution because of its inherent flaws. :-/



You can wait as long as you like; I would advise against holding up any important matters whilst you wait, though, like breathing, for instance.

I can't wait for someone to file such a case; no amount of popcorn would beat being there to hear the testimony and the judge's decision:

Plaintiff: "I was in an online game and someone said something bad to me, and I couldn't make them stop! WAH!"

Judge: "You could have used the various tools they provided you to deal with it, right? You could have just LOGGED OFF, RIGHT?"

Plaintiff: "Well, yeah, but I wanted to be INVISIBLE!"

Judge: "Case DISMISSED with extreme prejudice; countersuit for attorney's fees and frivolity, all motions granted. Now get the HELL out of my courtroom!"

Sorry Hugsy, I didnt mean to quote you out of context. I was just highlighting (and failing at it =)) a social aspect of personal privacy.

Yes, it is about scripts. The ability of scripts to see. My view is that if you can see me with a script then I should be able to see you with a script also. Notwithstanding the ability of landowners now, to prevent other people's scripts from starting, by using the existing parcel option.

There is a JIRA entry for landowners who would like this capability extended to disable all scripts used by avatars on their property. Although as a landowner myself, I'm not sure what benefit can be derived from disabling my visitors' scripted AOs and other personal attachments. And, if this JIRA entry is too extreme, then the ability for landowners to disable llSensor, as has been done with llPushObject, has also been JIRA'd.

And yes you're right about visual camming. So I agreed with Jillian, that on the issue of personal privacy within SL, parcel cloaking would be beneficial.

This is the way that may work.

Say when someone creates a script, for instance a landmark one. Before they would be allowed to introduce it into SL it would have to be entried and categorized as Landmark. That way if somebody had an option in their viewer to mute specifically landmark givers they wouldnt be bothered by them anywhere they go.

This could be handled by the servers the same way that allow no scipts to be run, flying or building. Every script would have to report to the server in the sim of what category it belongs in. That way when J6P would enter a sim the server would know what options they have checked or unchecked and would prevent every script in the particular category from even attempting to bother that person. That alone would save HUGE amounts of resource time and bandwith by not letting it run at all.

Everyones scripts would still function normally to everyone who does not have any particular option disabled, it just wouldn't bother to even send it to the person who had it disabled.


peace

What an imagination

Thank you.

Would you expect anything less from a Dragon?

Oh my. A dragon.. Let me please assure you that I am indeed crunchy, but I do NOT taste good with ketchup, or anything else.

Well, if this gets implemented, every time one of my huggers, Collars, Leashes, or anything else I make that depends on llSensor doesn't work and I get IMed about why it's not working, I'm going to send them to Whispering Hush so she can explain why her privacy trumps their device working.

This is like taking the toilet paper out of the bathroom because someone left some on the floor.

Alternatively, every spammer would categorise their scripts as "Mmm No This Is A Really Friendly Harmless Script Which Does Not Indiscriminately Hand Out Notecards At All, Honest Guv".

How can i update this?

Liar! Ketchup makes EVERYTHING taste good!

Though, sans ketchup, blood will do in a pinch.

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