Legit L$ exchange? Or new illegal banking scheme?
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3Ring Binder
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06-05-2008 09:45
From: someone Additional income possibilities for Second Life business people - Become partner of ELDEXchange, one of the leading legal financial service providers in Second Life - Commissions for every currency deal - Easy and risk free, approved by Linden Labs and covered 100% by the terms of use Who we are: ELDEXchange is one of the leading legal financial service providers in Second Life, and since 2006, it offers safe and convenient sale and purchase of the virtual currency Linden Dollar (L$) in complete agreement with the terms of use for Second Life. To do so, ELDEXchange uses the so-called "Risk-API" which was made available to ELDEXchange by Linden Labs especially for this purpose. What we can do for you: In the current phase of incertitude around financial services inside Second Life, it is especially important to have an established and recognized partner. ELDEXchange has been known for years to be reliable and safe, and synonymous of fair and problem-free transactions of Linden Dollars (L$) in the European area. Take advantage of our experience and high profile. Participate today in our affiliate program and start earning from the first business deal on. This is how it works: 1) Register at http://www.eldexchange.eu/en/tell-your-friend-about-us-and-earn-money.html2) Choose one or several advertising possibilities: - Link from your website or blog to ELDEXchange - Promotional sign or terminal at your location in Second Life (e.g. your club or shop) - Embed our currency exchange module directly into your website 3) Starting with the first currency deal mediated in such a way, you will receive a commission of currently 1.5% of the exchange volume (paid weekly) Our sales manager Manjana Vella or the employee who has given you this notecard is at your disposal for further questions. We are looking forward to welcoming you as our new partner! ELDEXchange on the web: www.ELDEXchange.euELDEXchange terminals and promotional signs can be seen here: Herz (55,78,26) wut do you think?
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Marcel Flatley
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06-05-2008 09:48
Don't know, I got the offer too. Might as well be the next one making it to the news because they scammed, really don't know. As long as there is a Lindex, I am not inclined using other venues for my lindens.
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Kitty Barnett
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06-05-2008 09:57
I stopped reading after "approved by Linden Labs". LL doesn't "approve" or "endorse" third-party exchanges. Anyone making the claim is being deceptive at best, dishonest at worst.
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Cristalle Karami
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06-05-2008 10:07
I spoke with these people. It's like SLX's currency exchange, except in Euros, and uses the Risk API. That's what they mean by "approved."
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Colette Meiji
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06-05-2008 10:16
sounds like a currency exchange looking for visibility.
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Wildefire Walcott
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06-05-2008 10:18
I don't patronize any business who says "Linden Labs," but I don't see any obvious warning signs here. Looks like they just want to be a European GOM. They've stepped into a competitive market with a lot of apprehensive customers.
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Cristalle Karami
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06-05-2008 10:18
From: Colette Meiji sounds like a currency exchange looking for visibility. That is exactly what it is. For young avatars of less than a month, it could be more helpful than using the LindeX, and in their own currency.
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Perwin Rambler
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06-05-2008 10:26
I don't know , the note did not trade mark any of the Linden items as you would think a proper business would. then again, I didn't here. 
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Walker Moore
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06-05-2008 10:36
The Lindex works with our local currencies too. Plus, the Lindex is more competitive, offering approx 500L extra per 10 US dollars. It makes no difference if we let the Lindex do the transactions in eurodollars or pounds sterling. We still end up with the same amount of Lindens.
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Cristalle Karami
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06-05-2008 10:39
From: Walker Moore The Lindex works with our local currencies too. Plus, the Lindex is more competitive, offering approx 500L extra per 10 US dollars. It makes no difference if we let the Lindex do the transactions in eurodollars or pounds sterling. We still end up with the same amount of Lindens. I understand, Walker, and I only use the LindeX. I find no real competitive advantage using any other currency exchange. But I'm not restricted like a brand new avatar is in terms of the amount of L I can purchase. This is where currency exchanges like these fill a need.
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Kitty Barnett
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06-05-2008 10:54
From: Cristalle Karami I spoke with these people. It's like SLX's currency exchange, except in Euros, and uses the Risk API. That's what they mean by "approved." Maybe... but other than reputation or the reputation of the person operating it the site is the only way to get a sense of how legitimate they are. From the actual site: "ELDEXchange co-operates with the operator of Second Life and is officially authorized to exchange Linden Dollars." Maybe I'm just too cynical and focusing too much on the words, but that sentence alone would keep me from using it rather than install confidence. They also sell on eBay which would be another red flag to me. I've never seen the "official partner" logo anywhere either. It's possible it's authentic in which case, no problem, but if it's fake that's a rather big red flag.
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Cristalle Karami
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06-05-2008 10:57
What I've found is a bit of a language barrier. It's not intentionally deceptive - these people wanted to use the term ATM when they initially approached me and I blew them off. I let them know about the banking scandal and they clarified what it was that they were, a currency exchange. They have adjusted appropriately. They need more guidance, and probably need to read LL's trademark policy.
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06-05-2008 11:12
From: Kitty Barnett I've never seen the "official partner" logo anywhere either. It's possible it's authentic in which case, no problem, but if it's fake that's a rather big red flag. They can't use it cause LL would wack them with a copyright infringement suit 
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Johnnie Carling
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06-05-2008 11:15
Well if you look at the buy/sell lindens page and click the international L$ marketplace image it will lead you to a wiki page with this company listed. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/L$_Marketplace From: someone Please note that while we try to ensure that only high quality resellers are listed on this site, these resellers are not endorsed by Linden Lab and Linden Lab accepts no responsibility for those listed here. If you have trouble with any of these sites, please report your difficulties by emailing us & we will address it with the reseller and potentially remove them from the site.
That is about as "official" as it gets.
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06-05-2008 11:46
Well, I have no idea how reliable they are or what rates they offer, but they don't seem to offer interest payments or anything like that, and the reselling part is not a pyramid scheme, thus it would seem ToS-legal.
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Novis Dyrssen
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06-05-2008 11:54
They might be legit, but I highly dislike their way of making business when a user wants to sell their Lindens. (I didn't even check the buying options.) I do NOT want to transfer my money to a single avatar, and I would like to know up front if their exchange rates are worth the hassle... From the site: From: someone If you would like to sell your Linden Dollars to ELDEXchange please follow these instructions:
1. Please contact one of our staff via ICQ ( 471-930-121), via in-world instant message (Abba Rau) or email to [email]sales@ELDEXchange.eu[/email] Define the amount of Linden Dollars you would like to sell as well as the avatar's name who you would like to transfer the Linden Dollars to our avatar from.
2. Our staff member will check the possibility of purchase with the algorithm provided to us by Linden Labs.
3. If we get the "OK" for your avatar, we will most likely be able to buy your Linden Dollars. Our staff member will give you the exact exchange rate and the name of the avatar you can transfer your Linden Dollars to.
4. Please inform our staff member how you would like to receive the money and provide him with your European bank account or PayPal details.
5. As soon as the transfer of the Linden Dollars to our avatar was successful, we will arrange the transfer of the real currency via PayPal or bank transfer.
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Cristalle Karami
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06-05-2008 11:57
From: Novis Dyrssen They might be legit, but I highly dislike their way of making business when a user wants to sell their Lindens. (I didn't even check the buying options.) I do NOT want to transfer my money to a single avatar... What do you think happens with SLX?
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Novis Dyrssen
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06-05-2008 12:01
With SLX, I still have full control over my Lindens all the time and can decide for how much I want to sell them. Here, they SAY they use the RiskApi but I have no proof of and no way to control what really happens after I give my Lindens away.
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06-05-2008 12:09
From: Cristalle Karami I understand, Walker, and I only use the LindeX. I find no real competitive advantage using any other currency exchange. But I'm not restricted like a brand new avatar is in terms of the amount of L I can purchase. This is where currency exchanges like these fill a need. Ah, I see what you mean. There are still red flags that deter me from using the service even if it was more competitive than the Lindex (like them being "known for years to be reliable and safe" when their domain was only registered last July), but there are plausible explanations for that. You just have to tread carefully with operations like this I suppose.
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06-05-2008 12:11
From: Novis Dyrssen With SLX, I still have full control over my Lindens all the time and can decide for how much I want to sell them. Here, they SAY they use the RiskApi but I have no proof of and no way to control what really happens after I give my Lindens away. If there really no way for residents to confirm that businesses are using the RiskAPI? You'd think LL would have a list somewhere on the site.
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Cristalle Karami
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06-05-2008 12:21
From: Novis Dyrssen With SLX, I still have full control over my Lindens all the time and can decide for how much I want to sell them. Here, they SAY they use the RiskApi but I have no proof of and no way to control what really happens after I give my Lindens away. You cannot give money to "SLX" - you pay an avatar - Exchange Street. This organization happens to have a sophisticated system that allows you a high measure of control, but by keeping any money in SLX or using the currency exchange, you have paid an avatar and you can't guarantee what is done with that money. It is all the same.
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Cristalle Karami
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06-05-2008 12:22
From: Walker Moore If there really no way for residents to confirm that businesses are using the RiskAPI?
You'd think LL would have a list somewhere on the site. It was already posted in this thread that LL has them on the list of organizations using the RiskAPI.
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06-05-2008 12:31
From: Cristalle Karami It was already posted in this thread that LL has them on the list of organizations using the RiskAPI. It points at a wiki. Granted, wiki.secondlife.com, but I question it's accuracy if it can be updated by users. Also, that page does not contain a comprehensive list of businesses using the RiskAPI. Ram Linden says as much in the history.
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Cristalle Karami
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06-05-2008 12:33
From: Walker Moore It points at a wiki. Granted, wiki.secondlife.com, but I question it's accuracy if it can be updated by users. Also, that page does not contain a comprehensive list of businesses using the RiskAPI. Ram Linden says as much in the history. Fair enough.
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Darien Caldwell
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06-05-2008 12:37
From: Kitty Barnett I stopped reading after "approved by Linden Labs". LL doesn't "approve" or "endorse" third-party exchanges. Anyone making the claim is being deceptive at best, dishonest at worst. LL does have an approved exchange list: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/L$_Marketplace And yes, it's simply those that do use the Risk API.
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