What's The Most Useless Piece Of Advice You've Been Given In SL ?
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Carl Metropolitan
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05-27-2008 15:53
From: Yumi Murakami 1: "Go to the Ivory Tower of Primitives." The Ivory Tower is great, really! BUT it's not a universal 100% panacea for learning to build. Certainly spending someone with an general interest there is a good idea, but I've seen people sending _back_ newbies who'd _already been there_. Good advice. The Ivory Tower is a fantastic resource--but not for everyone. That's one of the reasons that NCI has all its building classes and tutorials. Different people learn best in different ways. From: Yumi Murakami I've also seen it admitted on this forum that some builders use the Ivory Tower as a blocker because they see any knowledge of building beyond what it teaches as a "trade secret". Cool--you need to help me come up with a NCI class on those super-secret trade secrets 
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MortVent Charron
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05-27-2008 16:08
"Ignore this advice..."
Because sometimes the advice works, a good example is:
I'm getting all these stack heap msgs. > Relog and it will clear (till it happens again)
I can't teleport from here to there > teleport to mainland or elsewhere and try (some times that sim can't communicate due to network issues to the one you are trying to get to )
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FD Spark
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05-27-2008 16:28
From: Qie Niangao This is an extraordinarily deep question in the psychology of individual differences and in psychometrics. For some operational definitions of "Creativity", the construct is almost perfectly correlated with Intelligence, up to an IQ of 140 or so.
These findings, however, do not make a good base for popular books. Hmm interesting. I never was able to get beyond 7th grade educationally but I am very creative, insightful in other ways and when I had iq test the area I tested the highest wasn't academics but was where the Tester told me that usually genius rate the highest on images and putting together images. There is lot of things I want to create but some things require stuff I don't have so I work with what I have within my own creativity. I don't know if everyone has the desire to be creative though. Most of uncreative people I met are more focused on things like fantasy life that must be filled with realism, close minded views or way too pre-occupied on gender or sex roles, and logic and can't move beyond their boxes of whatever is in their head or they think is normal to be creative. If they have ability to make things it is because they are programmers or technical skilled artist and its usually ripped off idea from some other form of media. Rarely can they come up with unique ideas. It is all dry academic type of art, all technique nothing deeper.
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Yumi Murakami
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05-27-2008 17:07
From: 2k Suisei I've learned that creativity is a desire and nothing more. I've seen somebody become extremely creative and then suddenly grind to an halt for reasons I wont go into. and the person wasn't creative at all in their past. It's not talent or magic. It's just desire. If you have the desire then you'll learn. Although some people don't have the desire because they don't believe they can learn. That's very interesting but it seems confusing - what's the nature of the desire? How can you desire something that's an idea you haven't thought of yet?
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2k Suisei
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05-27-2008 17:44
From: Yumi Murakami That's very interesting but it seems confusing - what's the nature of the desire? How can you desire something that's an idea you haven't thought of yet? The nature of the desire varies from one person to the next and from one day to the next. Sometimes the desire isn't to create but to gain something indirectly from creating. I've made stuff because it made me laugh or because it made me cry. I've made stuff because I thought it would make me rich, or because I was bored. I've made stuff that I thought would be cool, or just to play the fool. I've made stuff to prove a point, or for a reason that rhymes with point. I've made stuff.. just because.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-27-2008 17:48
From: 2k Suisei I've made stuff.. just because.
I don't think you need any other reason, for doing that or anything in SL. I think some of you guys just think too much about the "Whys". Just have fun.
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Yumi Murakami
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05-27-2008 19:33
What I sort of meant though was that.. if the "desire" that 2k was talking about, was "the desire to make an X", you would have to know what X was - and thus already have performed some creative action - in order to have the desire. Certainly that tends to be my problem, I feel I want to make something but I have no idea what 
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2k Suisei
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05-27-2008 19:39
Maybe build something that expresses how you feel?. So in your case: 
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ArchTx Edo
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05-27-2008 20:24
"File an abuse report".
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Jade Angkarn
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05-27-2008 23:34
"Never mix SL with RL!"
and its corollary...
"Never try to separate SL from RL, it won't work!"
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Marcel Flatley
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05-28-2008 02:03
Worst advice: There is more then sex in SL.
So now I am building, selling stuff, and missing out on all the poseball hopping. Go figure.
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Usagi Musashi
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05-28-2008 02:36
From: katykiwi Moonflower Report it on JIRA .....................were all the Nerdies and geekies go play......................................Nothing gets fixed..................but some people needs for their egos to get a bliss............and the all the important bugs don`t get fixed.....................and the linden all get their nixed..............then yet agin we are stuck with a piece of............****. 
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Usagi Musashi
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05-28-2008 02:41
From: 2k Suisei Maybe build something that expresses how you feel?. So in your case:  I know that Linden...............Its Cory Linden.......
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Conifer Dada
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05-28-2008 02:51
"Never reply to a thread asking people to ignore it" That's the most useless piece of advice I can think of! The most useless bit of advice I can remember in RL!... I was on a single-decker bus in London and it was suffering from a mechanical problem and lost drive, just like it was in neutral. An elderly 'helpful' passenger got up and said to the driver "it's the clutch slipping, push the clutch down a few times". The driver replied: "Ain't got no clutch mate, s'an automatic".
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Kelli May
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05-28-2008 03:38
From: Yosef Okelly Kelli, you would be hot if you were taller. You would be hot if you were shorter. You would be hot if you were square. Let's face it, no matter what you do ... you are HOT!
It must be your attitude, wit and charisma. *blushes under her fur*
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Czari Zenovka
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05-28-2008 06:14
From: Madhu Maruti The part of these comments that I can't understand is - who the hell goes around telling people that they are ugly and should change their appearance anyhow? I wouldn't do this in RL and I wouldn't do it in SL either.
I compliment people's appearance when I am moved to but I never, never criticize someone's appearance unless I have been specifically asked to.
So I am not so much shocked that there are people who find others too pale, too skinny, too short, or too blue, as I am that these people will actually open their mouths, unsolicited, and say so. Totally with you here, Madhu. I even got into an argument with one person who kept telling me I was too pale. She was/is a longtime friend of mine from other online venues so I asked her if she didn't think it was rude to make repeated comments on my "pale skin." (Every time I saw her she would say something like, "Girl, you've GOT to get out in the sun more" or similar comments. Her answer-"Well, you ARE too pale." /me throws my hands into the air
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Marcel Flatley
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05-28-2008 06:20
From: Czari Zenovka Totally with you here, Madhu. I even got into an argument with one person who kept telling me I was too pale. She was/is a longtime friend of mine from other online venues so I asked her if she didn't think it was rude to make repeated comments on my "pale skin." (Every time I saw her she would say something like, "Girl, you've GOT to get out in the sun more" or similar comments. Her answer-"Well, you ARE too pale." /me throws my hands into the air Some people are just too weird to even mention. First time I saw Madhu, I just thought: kewl she is blue  And if I see a pale avatar, I guess I think: kewl she has a pale skin. Too many barbie like avatars already in SL. But for some, a furry avatar, or a dragon avatar is more normal then a blue/pale/golden avatar. In general my AV is quite basic, but I enjoy the diversity of other AVs very much!
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Czari Zenovka
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05-29-2008 06:22
From: Davin Romano "You should give me 10L so I can take a pic of us together" ROFL!!! That's the most creative way I've heard of someone trying to beg for L.
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Marianne McCann
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05-29-2008 07:00
From: 2k Suisei I've made stuff because it made me laugh or because it made me cry.
I've made stuff because I thought it would make me rich, or because I was bored.
I've made stuff that I thought would be cool, or just to play the fool.
I've made stuff to prove a point, or for a reason that rhymes with point.
I've made stuff.. just because. This would be good as its own thread. All of the above, plus sometimes I'll make stuff, spur of the moment, because it's needed in an inspired moment of RP, or because someone will come up that makes it a need of the moment. Example 1: One day me an my sis went downstairs an had sandwiches f'r lunch. She made me a nice baloney an cheese, using largely box prims (and a cylinder) just to make the quick "prop" for lunch. Nothing really sellable or anyting like dat, but it was tasty. Exaple 2: About a year ago, I was standing in a store with two other avvies. We ended up in a long conversation that lasted into SL's nighttime. Because the place we were in had no local light, an it was kinda dark out, I quickly made an oversized lightbulb and attached it so it would sit above my head. Just a quick, kinda stupid visual gag about "having an idea" with a practical purpose of lighting the room. Mari
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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05-29-2008 07:08
That kinda reminds me of my eye. I've had a red prim eye for a long time, but I wanted something that was my own work (and transferable to my alt). I was too lazy to texture a sphere and was interested in the idea that the eye is one of the few locations I could wear an invisiprim that didn't make the world around me disappear too. (^_^)
So, now, I have one of the creepiest cyborg replacement eyes in my left socket. I know it goes against the theme of this thread, but, my friends suggested that I put a set of my eyes up for sale to make a little extra monies. I took their advice and it's been a somewhat popular seller in my cookie jar. Who knew that something so nasty looking would attract people to buy it? (o.o) .... (^_^)y
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Yumi Murakami
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05-29-2008 07:20
Marianne, Imnotgoing, I love the things you're describing - I just wish there was a way to arrange for more people to be in, or feel like they're in, environments like the ones you're describing.
And we need more sandwich filling textures.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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05-29-2008 07:41
Part of my goal in becoming a mentor is to do exactly that, Yumi. (^_^)
Since I'm able to be what I am and somehow free from harassment, I'm often wandering around welcome areas guiding people to find something they could possibly enjoy in SL. I'm a HUGE supporter of NCI's efforts and I put a lot of effort in steering people to visit the place. And, when I'm at NCI, I'll gladly help people out with projects, problems, and anything else my limited knowledge can handle. (^_^)
BTW... There are a few people in NCI Kuula with a BLT airplane. It's both tasty and a good way to get around. The sculptie bacon propeller is my favorite part. (^_^)y
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Marianne McCann
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05-29-2008 07:53
From: Yumi Murakami Marianne, Imnotgoing, I love the things you're describing - I just wish there was a way to arrange for more people to be in, or feel like they're in, environments like the ones you're describing.
And we need more sandwich filling textures. I agree. There's just not much in the way of baloney, let alone lettuce! I don't think the "be in" is the trouble: I see places like NCI and stuff as being part of dat role. The hard part is "feeling" in.
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Yumi Murakami
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05-29-2008 07:54
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Since I'm able to be what I am and somehow free from harassment, I'm often wandering around welcome areas guiding people to find something they could possibly enjoy in SL. I'm a HUGE supporter of NCI's efforts and I put a lot of effort in steering people to visit the place. And, when I'm at NCI, I'll gladly help people out with projects, problems, and anything else my limited knowledge can handle. (^_^)
That's great, but it isn't just the knowledge that's needed, it's also the psychological situation. The idea that if you make someone a baloney and cheese sandwich out of boxes, they'll actually appreciate it for fun, even if it's not actually that great a build. I wish I knew how to do this better, but it's really difficult to arrange. It's great when you see people building neat things in the NCI sandbox but I'm always scared that someone else sees them and thinks "I couldn't do that, so I have no business trying". It's difficult to help them because they're usually indistinguishable outside from people who just don't want to build.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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05-29-2008 08:12
That's when I use simple encouragement. I normally don't just rez my work in a sand box. I like to start from scratch and keep the textures 'plywood' as much as possible. If someone is curious about building for the first time, and is afraid to start, I just encourage them to start anyway. Make what they make, no matter what kind of mess it becomes. Teach them the simple bits of linking, unlinking, naming, versioning, and 'Take a Copy' with complete disregard to the "quality" of work done. (^_^)
I also have some pretty poor looking projects that I keep laying around in my inventory that I will rez and let them know that it looks bad for now, but someday, I just might make something great out of it. If not? ... Oh well, I had fun making it to begin with. (^_^)
In keeping that attitude myself, I hopefully let people see that enjoying SL isn't as much a matter of achieving a goal like in games. Instead, focus on the "do" over the "done" and enjoy the what, where, and who you are for the moment. (^_^)
And, if all else fails... There's always the "Nyaa Nyaa~" gesture. (^_^)y
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