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A few questions about fashion

Seven Okelli
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12-18-2009 10:22
From: Kidd Krasner
But is that a knee-jerk reaction to all surveys concerning SL commerce? Or is there something about the questions there that seem like the sort of questions a new store owner would ask? Why would someone thinking of opening a business in SL ask if people dress the same as they do in RL? Obviously some do, some don't, but it really doesn't give direction on what to make.


yes! (to the last bit)

I *do* want to know why people are asking questions.

But yes, I will admit to being a knee jerk there.
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12-18-2009 11:06
From: Weston Graves
- ... snip .... I even have a little trouble keeping some of our long time forum regulars apart in my mind - especially the redheads, Mo, Lindal, Lil, and several others. (I do know the difference, ladies. I just have to stop and think about it for a second.)
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12-18-2009 11:33
From: Seven Okelli
yes! (to the last bit)

I *do* want to know why people are asking questions.

But yes, I will admit to being a knee jerk there.


If you are a knee jerk, then so am I... As you saw, the thought that this was because someone was wanting to start a business isn't uncommon. Plus, the questions asked have been answered.. when they were asked individually ;)
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12-18-2009 14:39
From: Coco Karfield

- Does Second Life offer you more possibilities in dressing yourself?


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Coco Karfield
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12-19-2009 04:53
From: Kidd Krasner
I think if you'd bothered to read the questions, you would have noticed that that's not what's being asked. I imagine some could be helpful to strategic business planning, but the questions certainly don't seem the sort of questions that a beginning clothes designer would ask. Nor are they the sort of questions that could be answered merely by observing what people wear in world.


Thank you very much!
And thanks to the people who did answer my questions.

I am very sorry, I didn't know that this would become such an issue. I did spend quite some time searching online and on this forum, and also inworld, but it was hard to find specifik answers to my questions, so I just thought I might try it this way.

I have definitely no desires to start my own business. I'm a student of the master Comparative arts and media studies, and doing research on Fashion in Second Life. I'm using a classic theory on fashion from 1967, of Roland Barthes, and trying to apply it on the fashion system of Second Life.

I'm sorry that this became such an issue. I will edit my post, to make this clear from the beginning.
Sassy Romano
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12-19-2009 05:19
From: Coco Karfield
I have definitely no desires to start my own business. I'm a student of the master Comparative arts and media studies, and doing research on Fashion in Second Life. I'm using a classic theory on fashion from 1967, of Roland Barthes, and trying to apply it on the fashion system of Second Life.

The opinions of 20 people (or thereabouts) is insufficient from which to form any conclusive basis for any research.

As others have said, you'd do better getting inworld and spending a lot more time there and figuring out how best to gain the answers to the questions you pose.

Instead of just asking a bunch of residents, you might find it just as valuable to go and interview the creators of some of the well known brands (and the not so well known), find out what drives them to create what they do since they are also influencing the fashions. That's just one example something else I think you should do.

I can see that SL is a fun topic for students to study and analyse, I haven't been here that long compared with some to have that "labrat" feeling though I have had certain other inworld experiences when asked to demonstrate certain pose balls so that they could write about *that* particular activity. Something which I refuse because I can predict the write up of someone who is clueless about SL and what it offers those who don't come from a Facebook background.

However, you would not expect to write up a research paper on say "povety in third world countries" if you were experiencing a privileged lifestyle and only did your research by asking the opinions of a few aid workers. Maybe i'm being harsh I don't know but SL offers you that chance to be a part of your research project, not just wear a white lab coat and peek in through a porthole viewing window. *shrugs*
Czari Zenovka
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12-19-2009 05:56
From: Elric Anatine
- Does your appearance cope with who you are?
I'VE NEVER ASKED IT.


From: Petronilla Whitfield
I really did laugh out loud when I read that.


Me too!!! I was still trying to figure out how an "appearance" *copes* with anything. *I* cope with things everyday: paying bills, taking out the trash, annoying people, traffic, etc. But I was still scratching my head on "appearances coping" when I'd been missing the obvious all along - just ask! :D
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Czari Zenovka
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12-19-2009 06:01
From: Weston Graves
From a distance, I have to admit a lot of people look alike. I even have a little trouble keeping some of our long time forum regulars apart in my mind - especially the redheads, Mo, Lindal, Lil, and several others.


I am just totally crushed that I got lumped in with "several others." *Hrumph*

And my weapons of choice are a Mossberg shotgun and throwing knives, although I can be a bit more discreet with the knives.
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Kokoro Fasching
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12-19-2009 06:03
From: Coco Karfield

- Do you buy clothes in SL?

Yes - Only person with more outfits than I have that I know of is Lil :)

From: someone

- How important is dress/appearance to you?

Very - that is why I change outfits at least once a day.. sometimes as much as 6 times a day. The flavor of the time is very important to the outfit

From: someone

- Does your appearance in Second Life resemble your appearence in Real Life?

Somewhat, although my SL self can be much more colorful, since I can change my skin color at will there.

From: someone

- Do you dress differently in Second Life? To what extent and why?

Yes - lack of gravity and moral police not having arrest rights means I can dress how I want :)

From: someone

- Does Second Life offer you more possibilities in dressing yourself?


Yes, again, since I can change the color of items in world soooo much easier, it gives me billions more possibilities.

From: someone

- Is it more fun in Second Life?


Well, I get less trouble with the authorities.. :P

From: someone

- Would you like to dress differently in Real Life? Would you want it to be more like it is in Second Life?


If I could dress in RL like I dress in SL, I would become republican... for a hour, at least.. :)

From: someone

- Dou you modify your dress for different occasions, as for example:
* Working? Shopping?
* Partying?
* Sporting?
* Spare time/Occasions with no specific purpose?


Yes, of course.

From: someone

- Does your appearance cope with who you are?


Of course.

From: someone

- Do you have a distinct style or do you try out all sorts of things?


Yes.. Chaos as a style is so very liberating!

From: someone

- In SL, are there subcultures, certain groups that are recognizable by their style of clothes?


Of course

From: someone

- To what extent is imitation of dress important? And differentiation?

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I feel each person should dress or not as meets their perceptions..

See below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kokoropixie/

http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/Search.aspx?name=kokoro%20fasching

Just some of my outfits at various times when the camera was handy.. :)
Czari Zenovka
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12-19-2009 06:12
Since Marianne McCann hasn't stopped by yet, I'll post her standard reply on surveys:

From: someone
"Similarly, some of the first educators and researchers in SL were a bit clumsy in their approach. There were early incidents in which Residents felt—rightly—that they were being spied upon or treated like guinea pigs rather than human beings. Imagine how you would feel if an entire class of students set up right next to your vacation hideaway, left trash lying around, logged your conversations, and posted them on the Internet with criticism and mean-spirited comments. This is exactly what happened to some early Residents. Things have improved greatly in the years since then, but sometimes SL Residents are still subject to that kind of inconsiderate behavior. For example, a constant stream of researchers (often students) posts on the Second Life official forums requesting that Residents please take their surveys. Most of these surveys include the same questions that have been asked over and over. Often they aren't spell-checked, or refer to SL as a game—a sure way to irritate a substantial number of Residents. Some Residents make a hobby of critiquing these surveys, pointing out how the questions and their wording make it clear that the researcher isn't familiar with Second Life. Some post outright that they are sick of badly planned surveys and suggest that the researchers log in and do their own research."

From The Second Life Grid: The Official Guide to Communication, Collaboration, and Community Engagement
by Kimberly Rufer-Bach
ISBN-13: 9780470412916


A copy of which can be found here on response #33:

/327/06/353070/2.html
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Seven Okelli
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12-19-2009 06:30
From: Coco Karfield
Thank you very much!
And thanks to the people who did answer my questions.

I am very sorry, I didn't know that this would become such an issue. I did spend quite some time searching online and on this forum, and also inworld, but it was hard to find specifik answers to my questions, so I just thought I might try it this way.

I have definitely no desires to start my own business. I'm a student of the master Comparative arts and media studies, and doing research on Fashion in Second Life. I'm using a classic theory on fashion from 1967, of Roland Barthes, and trying to apply it on the fashion system of Second Life.

I'm sorry that this became such an issue. I will edit my post, to make this clear from the beginning.


It does help to know what you're looking for.

Have you looked at any of the second life fashion blogs?
Coco Karfield
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12-19-2009 06:41
I'm very sorry, I didn't think I'd do any harm with my questions.

First of all, I'm very thankful to anyone who answered. Second, thank you Sassy, I don't think you were harsh, just helpful.
The questions posted here were not meant to be presented as hard evidence and to draw solid conclusions from them. It was just for myself, to get some better insights.

I can see now that this was not the right place, but I didn't know that. I felt like: people who are annoyed by these kind of topics could simply ignore it and not reply, but apparently people have nothing better to do and rather respond with equally annoying answers. Well, I think that's just sad.

You can again respond to this, I'm sure there are people who love to say something, but I won't read it. Just let this one die.

Again: thanks for the answers!

And P.S.: Sorry about the "cope" question, I changed it and forgot to adjust that :p
Marianne Little
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12-19-2009 06:45
I can just second what Seven says. Have you found any Second life fashion blogs? Have you seen Thalia Jie, Mourna Bizou, Ana Lutetia's blogs? Or Winter Jefferson, Bronson Twine? Have you seen any of the Flickr groups with only pictures from Second life?

Some of your questions sound like you don't understand how Second life is different from Real life. It is not limited to age, bodyshape, gender or even humanity. I can buy a african skin, wear dark brown eyes and braids. Or a pale skin, blue eyes and pointy elf ears. I can dress up in any possible styles, from warrior to night club dancer. I can be male or female. When I am tired of the human body, I can wear a werewolf, a fox, a dragoon... or a small rabbit. I can be a box or a robot.
Elric Anatine
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12-19-2009 07:19
From: Czari Zenovka
Me too!!! I was still trying to figure out how an "appearance" *copes* with anything. *I* cope with things everyday: paying bills, taking out the trash, annoying people, traffic, etc. But I was still scratching my head on "appearances coping" when I'd been missing the obvious all along - just ask! :D


Well I finally asked my appearance, and it claims that it has no choice but be dragged along for the ride. It did get a little melodramatic for a while, whingeing that I need to try wearing colours more frequently and that all this shapeshifting between human and fox was unsettling to its psyche.

I therefore conclude that asking is perhaps not a viable step, although it seemed grateful that I did finally ask.
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12-22-2009 03:00
From: Coco Karfield
Just let this one die.


You know what happened the *last* time an OP said that...!
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