Price for Mainland

30,000 regions @ $200 per month average = $6,000,000 per month
Classified ad charges = 21 million L$/mo = 78,000
Premium account 78,000 @ 8/mo average = 624,000
Parcel directory fees = 6.8 million L$/mo = 25,000
Lindex volume 3.5%x2.4 billion L$/mo = 312,000
Upload charges 31 million L$/mo = 115,000

Source: http://www.gridsurvey.com/economy.php


Answer: Land tier

Note: $200 a month is the overall average including mainland, full estates at $295 a month and $195 a month, and homesteads.

Why would 2.0 Viewer ever be the SL's salvation? I think this is another LL pipe dream!

What might be their salvation, is if LL actually had a viable size Marketing budget and go out there and promote their platform.....instead of more hippy dippy marketing like this --->http://products.shop.secondlife.com/winterfest/sweepstakes.html



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The first thing to do when you have land to sell is always to contact the other owners on the sim where you are selling. People who need more room or prims are the best buyers and will pay higher than market value in some cases.

There is still no need to abandon land. There are a few remaining barons and bots to scoop up the cheap land. It will sell within an hour if you set your land for sale at L$1.5 a meter.

Waterfront land still will fetch at least something, even in this market. Same with all water parcels and snow. Try to find a beachy waterfront parcel for less that L$4 a meter. They are not out there.

It was not the Zindra dump that cratered prices. They did drop a bit after Zindra came online, but it was lack of demand, giving people cheaper estate options and the relentless onslaught of sims that came before Zindra that caused the crash.

PG land is not worthless. Those who don't know should not answer people's questions with false information. It's irresponsible.

The hamster speaks the truth!

As someone who has been watching the land market pretty minutely for about 18 months, I have to say I think you're quite correct. Lack of demand is the main factor here, not increase of supply.

Well, there you are. It seems unlikely that they're getting much from the corporate and university accounts...and likely that tier IS far more important than the repeated 'Premium is unimportant' assertions would imply.

Is it possible that the leadership of LL has such an aversion to Residents, so low an opinion of us, that they think if we know Premium (and tier) IS important, we'll...I don't know, commit blackmail? Organize an online campaign to inform the general public of our intention to boycott something-or-other, and thus embarrass LL?

Is it that they think that if we know we have economic clout, we'll pressure them in some area in which they feel vulnerable?

::exasperated-smiley-with-sad-little-sigh-of-recognition::

/me has a sudden flash of the robot minister from Futurama extolling the virtues of "the good book 3.0"

You could probably break it down fairly accurately, via Tyche Shepherd analysis on SLU. To take into account that only 65% of Mainland (5600 sims) are occupied. We know there are 9300 Homesteads most of which are g/f and about 4k g/f Full SIMs. I've seen lower Tier (p/mth) income calculations....but you're probably not far off.

Using her and your numbers I get

9600 gf homesteads at $95 per month = 912,000
4000 grandfathered full estate @195 = 780,000
10,400 full price full estates @ 295 = 3,068,000
5370 mainland with her estimate of tier at 1,075,000

Total = 5,835,000, not significantly different than my first estimate, and 5 times as much as everything else combined.

Yep, good initial estimate !
Which kind of confirms what people have been saying, in that Tiers were like 70-80% of their income....seems more like 80%+...and when you add in other land related income like Premium Subs & Search fees...it only increases that percentage.

This is part of the reason, why I believe LL cannot be too radical with their policy changes...not anything that could be too detrimental to their main income source. Example : undermining Content Creators when you consider the amount of lands held for Shops & Malls.

Yes, they are out there !

I have a 1920 sqm land listed for 5760.-L (3.0/sqm). It is atoll land, water and beach. Yes, at the ocean. And even great neighbours. Still, it sits there and nobody buys it. There is nothing wrong with it and no clutter around. I know people get upset here when someone posts a slurl, so please go look in Lunata if you are interested or send me an IM. Thanks

I'm there now and it doesn't fit Raymond's description - no beach, for instance, and only a very small part of reaches the water - and that could be cut off by another landowner there.

Yup. It's surrounded by other landowners. The 'water' between it and the Linden water could be a building in 5 minutes time.
It might as well be in the middle of blight land.
Sorry. That 's the facts

There has been quite a bit of land abandoned in Allana over the past few months. I bid on one of them last night, it went for 2.6L/m after I had bid up from 1.5L/m. No, I didn't buy it. I let the rental guy have it. He is gonna have his hands full once LL puts in the freebie land. With the houses he is shoehorning onto his plots, I don't see how they would have more than 100 prims left over.

Shows how fast things can change. Even land on lovely beach sims going that low. Was it a waterfront parcel?

Those with true waterfront land should contact Sarah Nerd, CP Costello, Beetle Bailey, Thai Racer or other mainland dealers for an estimate. If a seller doesn't have "waterfront" in your land description, brokers who might be willing to pay a decent price might miss it.

BTW, true waterfront is beach terra that slopes into Linden water.

I differentiate between waterfront and beach. Beach must be by the sea, or it's only sand and not beach. Waterfront is in places such as the old north continent with its inland sea (as I call it). There is no beach but there is water - sadly built on far too much.

I tried to start a new thread, but it would not go through. Trying as a reply.

The new "beta" of a free 512 double prim parcel for newbies offends me. When will the long suffering "paid" accounts get something tossed our way (something positive for a change, that is) to reward us for sticking with it?

But - *you* wouldn't have put up blight screens. :/

I can't figure out blight screens when there is no blight.

*pouts* (My parcels aren't blighty...they're what his parcels border.)

My group has four parcels in the old Jessie combat sim.
The smallest is a mere 96 sq.m.
Somebody's alt made a completely unsolicited offer at L$100/m for it.

Somebody wants to expand or get it as a strategic location.
Alternatively, an outsider has been misled by a 512 offered at L$100/m getting sold. I bought that one, but for a price waaaaaaaaay under the asking.

It's an exception clearly, but the same thing can happen in other places to a less spectacular extent.



oh! We're not selling the 96m

I was getting a little concerned cos of this thread since I needed to offload some land.. but in the last few hours have sold two 1024s one for L$80000 the other for L$40000, admittedly desirable parcels, but both mainland nonetheless.

So it seems that nice parcels are still selling at high prices.

I am one of the couple of holdouts on Whitesun (next door to Allana) that 'the rental guy' doesn't have. My land is parallel to the Allana sim border. I was thrilled when (the rental guy) who is a very nice guy BTW, picked up the abandoned land, that is right next to my land. And I was thrilled when it was abandoned, I was having some real issues there before. I'll take his rental houses anyday over what I DID have next door for a bit, if you recall.........was scary, but I have waited that particular guy out before, not the first time he's built blight and then moved on. I feel much safer with 'the rental guy' next to me.

ETA: Is funny, cause now, I am right in the middle of all the rental land. He owns most of Whitesun and moving now into Allana, as you know. He did make me an offer early on, but I am holding onto that land.