Price for Mainland

I didn't get free land Entered world after they stopped that. Already in world so disqualified for this land. Where's my free land? Where is my land Linden Lab, where are you hiding it?

I want my 40 acres and a mule

Well in my case, the weird thing is that the land is group owned, and the founder of the group is no longer in SL it seems (not showing up in people search even). Still one of the people from the group I spoke to, and she said he still has access to the group and definately does not want less then the ridiculous 350K. Probably one of the group members is an Alt of him or so.
As long as the land stays at 350K I am pretty sure it won't sell so I am happy. If he decides to lower the price to a decent one, I would buy it to get the entire sim, but I do not really need the land.

You might get it. Well, only 512 m2, and no mule. But LL is doing a beta of this new "Linden Home" program with *existing* Premium accounts.

I'll see your mule and raise you a monkey

You are WAY too high!!!!

Recently I was moving. Most of my land I gave to my neighbors but decided to do a test with the remaining piece. I was unable to get a nibble from a land bot until I went below 1 L/m2. This is on the atoll on a hill overlooking a road. Actually, I had previously owned that exact plot and when I sold it I put it at 7.5 L/m2 and the land bots could not get there fast enough. I see land now that is 2 L/m2 and laugh, knowing only their neighbors will pay that in a market where plots are being abandoned left and right,

That may be true, but I think it's the asking price that's the problem.

Yep!

Which is why I found land prices in Pavonia dropping so low to be a complete mystery. People must have been equating mature sim=pg sim somehow.

LOL!

It does pose a problem though. If you go too low people will react with 'what is wrong with it'? If you are asking too much it will never sell. You have to hit right between those two values. If not, you are just as well off abandoning it (assuming you just want to unload it, remember the tier if you keep it) if it is not a huge plot.

Remember when the conventional wisdom was 'never abandon mainland, you can always sell it'? So far 2 of my neighbors have abandoned plots, if I were not already at tier I would have been more than happy to expand my plot.

I do. For all intents and purposes, mature land is as useful to me as PG land. Which isn't to say completely useless, but of limited use. And not useful enough for me to buy much of it (if any).

Which leads me to:



For me (and therefore for many people!), mature lost appeal when it stopped really being for "mature" adults. For me, it now has the same value as PG. What that means is that while there is a market for PG land specifically, suddenly the supply has opened up widely, if you include mature now. When supply exceeds demand, the price falls, which explains why PG is worth less than before.

Currently mainland starts at 1.6 in the land for sale page, and *Adult* mainland (Zindra) is going for 4-5. That tells you something.

But Linden Labs does not really care from a business standpoint how cheap the mainland gets. That's a resident to resident transaction and does not really get them any income. Tier is their main source of income, so cheap mainland that encourages more people to pick it up and start paying those monthly fees would be a good thing.

(at one time the land price bubble was attracting new players with dreams of riches in the land business, but that time is long past, now we are in a holding action as far as number of active users).

Dumping 300+ sims of Zindra land on the map is what caused the bottom to fall out of the mainland market. There simply is not enough demand to fill all that space, and the people who moved to adult regions simply left holes behind in Mature and PG, and cratered the selling prices.

Yep.

Encountered this a few weeks ago with one of my land policy groups. A person asked us to come help her AR some neighbors for being naked on their land and on the road.

Went over there, and it was mature land, so I explained that mature had not become PG (in more detail than just that).

She was on mature land because she ran a business and play area for child AVs, and they had a soft-end combat thing for child AVs, and she thought that meant she was not allowed to be on PG.

Hiya

Just out of interest what is the average price for protected waterfront?

I love to watch the linden water and if prices are that low then maybe it is time to think about some for my 1st home!

Thanks

You can always IM me or check my profile for my partner's name in sl and ask him about land we are selling. We have waterfront in Chaska which was a marvellous gamer's world but it's PG and doesnt suit my artworks at all, at all.

You part Irish as well?

Jamaican. Say it with a kinda downward "granny" kinda voice. It works well coz we got da'style baby.

I recently saw that you're part Jamaican, but I've never come across anyone who says "at all at all" other than the Irish.

Your flirting with me baby - as I see across the threads. Wait a couple of days and I'll be in world.
Didnt I buy a bed from you once?

I've got land that's just been sitting, too.

I see prime ocean parcels sit for ages...prices that would've once been a steal.

/me shrugs

Karas Trust dumped almost all of it's mainland (we retain one parcel for nostalgia) when Elanthius decided it was time to go. Our holdings were all prime historical locations on Sansara and Heterocera. We were able to get very good prices for the parcels, but I see that they are going on the market again for a lot less than we sold them for.

Our philosophy now is to rent mainland (we are on Zindra now) for our purposes. The bottom fell out of the rental biz as well, and there are great bargains out there. With rentals, you have a much easier time moving on if the need arises, and no upfront investment.

Still, it has become so cheap to buy, that you can use your free tier to buy land, and abandon it when you feel like moving. Especially appealing to groups that have a substantial amount of donated tier, but useful for the avi who can fit it all in a 512 as well.

FYI anyone who's on the brink of abandoning land. Sarah Nerd has in her profile that she will pay 1L per meter for any land.

Land is worth nothing while there are more sims than people online, you need to halve your prices to sell quickly.

LOL! Kara's Clan dumped all of it's land on Heterocera as well! Except for the 1 small piece which I sold as an experiment, I just gave it to a neighbor who wanted for primland. I have 2 premium accounts and they are now living off of their combined free tier allocations on land that was given to us. Most to someplace I hang out at a lot, some to me, and a little to Governor Linden.

Way to go reducing your incoming tier money LL. Oh, and best of luck in auctioning what people left behind.

You have to wonder why they seem to be indifferent to this. Is the income from tier payments really so small a part of their revenue stream?

One wonders what DOES constitute the majority of LL's revenue stream.

They say that Premium memberships are unimportant to them.
They don't seem to care if people give up on owning land and paying tier
They didn't seem to mind shrinking the private estate base by making Homesteads less attractive.
They don't mind that they are driving thousands of XStreetSL listings off the boards, losing them commissions.

That leaves classified listing fees, upload fees, $L transaction fees/spread, and parcel Search fees. Plus whatever they are making from their "big corporate and university accounts".

That's because Viewer 2.0 will fix the problem. There will be new residents galore, and they'll stay forever and buy lots of land.

Ask any Linden: Salvation is nigh, come 2.0. (Come the Revolution. Come the Messiah.)

In the meantime, if things are going to hell in a handbasket, don't worry, be happy, Viewer 2.0 is just around the corner.