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Carl Metropolitan
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04-03-2009 18:22
From: Carl Metropolitan Several generations ago "colored" was the polite and respectful term. The NAACP (founded in 1909) stands for "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People"--and now is one of the only places you will hear the word "colored" used anymore, in that context. From: Treasure Ballinger Yes. And, it brings back 'feelings' of that time. I'm not saying that it wasn't considered respectful, back then. You hear it plenty of other places, now, in a very disrespectful manner. When looking at it from 'this side' it doesn't 'feel' respectful. It feels condescending and patronizing. Did I say anywhere that using the word "colored" today in the same way as it was used 100 years ago was respectful? If you read the context of my original post, I commenting on Sable Valentine's post where she said: From: Sable Valentine It's a generational thing I believe. My grandmother used the word "colored" and I hated that. I would tell her grandma, no one colored us.
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sable Valentine
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04-03-2009 20:10
Yes you did. However, my comment about we are not colored is solely based on what my generation felt at that time. Just like the word colored is what was felt at that time during the conception of the NAACP.
Although I share Treasure's sentiments and how she eloquently explained how the word colored is possibly perceived now. But I am more direct about it. Simply put, I don't like it.
With that said, Carl I would like to invite you over sometime so I can explain first hand how "passing" made a direct impact on my family and I am sure others. An example of this is it fueled a division of haves and have nots.
Anyone else is welcome too.
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Blu Cazalet
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04-03-2009 20:33
My old boss happened to be a very dark skinned woman. She and I would get into long, interesting conversations about ethnic backgrounds, and the current PC terms for them. One talk we had, came about after she saw a program about the KKK and how they don't consider Jews to be white, no matter the skin color (I am jewish). We had this conversation about the current "correct" terms for black skinned people vs white skinned people, and from that, I came away with this gem she gave me....
Black people aren't colored. If we go out in the sun, you don't see us turn red with a burn, if we feel sick, you don't see the different shades of green on our skins, even if we are embarrassed you won't see our cheeks turn pink...no my friend, you with the white skin, are colored!
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Tod69 Talamasca
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04-04-2009 00:16
Just something I always thought "odd":
In RL we can judge a person on gender & skin color.
In SL those things aren't there. We can't tell if they're man or woman, black or white.
YET- we still have people who hate Furries, Goreans, Vampires, etc.
When the RL prejudice is taken away, we come up with new ones.
Is it mans nature to hate what he does not like or understand?
I think even if the whole world went blind, we'd still find something to hate about one another.
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Ephraim Kappler
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04-04-2009 00:34
From: Tod69 Talamasca YET- we still have people who hate Furries, Goreans, Vampires, etc. I guess that's the darker side of human weakness: it doesn't matter who you are, how your genes (or pixels) are arranged or even what you believe: somebody, somewhere, will always have 'issues' with it. We mostly 'need' to belong to communities or groups because it helps shore up the boundaries of identity through the sharing of ideas and attitudes. Appearance is one of the cheapest 'tickets' we can buy for membership. That said, balanced individuals generally find the differences in others to be a point of interest at best or a minor cause for concern at worst. Insecure individuals find it threatening and behave accordingly.
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Sling Trebuchet
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04-04-2009 02:58
From: Tod69 Talamasca ...... Is it mans nature to hate what he does not like or understand?
I think even if the whole world went blind, we'd still find something to hate about one another. Yup. "If something makes me feel even a bit uncomfortable, it must be bad" - would be the basic un-thought. Extreme hate stems from extreme insecurity.
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Jackie Silverfall
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04-04-2009 05:41
From: Sling Trebuchet Yup. "If something makes me feel even a bit uncomfortable, it must be bad" - would be the basic un-thought. Extreme hate stems from extreme insecurity. Sling - right on. A more appropriate term might be "fear", not insecurity. You are very close to a basic truth, grasshopper! Ponder the myriad effects of fear and you will come up with a very surprising list. Took me almost a decade of study with a Master of the Chinese arts to learn that, and you got right to it. Very cool  J.
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Dimpz Morane
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04-04-2009 10:54
From: Max Lionheart Where can I find some good African American skins at? As a matter of interest Max did you manage to find the skins and if so can you send me some links. Thanx
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-04-2009 13:51
From: Tod69 Talamasca In SL those things aren't there. We can't tell if they're man or woman, black or white.
YET- we still have people who hate Furries, Goreans, Vampires, etc.
Terry Pratchett pointed out there wasn't much *racial* prejudice in the Discworld. Not with trolls and the like about the place... "Black and white teamed up to beat up on green". From: someone I think even if the whole world went blind, we'd still find something to hate about one another. That's one reason I don't care for Voice in SL. 
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CapeAble Scribe
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04-04-2009 14:42
From: Carl Metropolitan Did I say anywhere that using the word "colored" today in the same way as it was used 100 years ago was respectful? If you read the context of my original post, I commenting on Sable Valentine's post where she said: I didn't say that 'you said it'. Was just having a conversation, sharing my own feelings about that particular issue. Peace......
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Treasure Ballinger
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04-04-2009 14:46
From: Carl Metropolitan Did I say anywhere that using the word "colored" today in the same way as it was used 100 years ago was respectful? If you read the context of my original post, I commenting on Sable Valentine's post where she said: Sure. And, I didn't say you said that it was respectful. Was just adding my own thoughts/feelings to the conversation. Peace......
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Soen Eber
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04-04-2009 22:33
From: Jackie Silverfall Sling - right on. A more appropriate term might be "fear", not insecurity. You are very close to a basic truth, grasshopper! Ponder the myriad effects of fear and you will come up with a very surprising list. Took me almost a decade of study with a Master of the Chinese arts to learn that, and you got right to it. Very cool  J. All you had to do was watch Star Wars  [Yoda's comment about fear leading to anger, and anger leading to hate...]. I also think a lot of Germans could discourse on that as well, unfortunately  OK, going on topic briefly - not sure if this is being naive, but maybe you can luck out and find a Mediterranean skin you can sort of use? I would also look and see if there are some non-English speaking sims (preferably African, but perhaps Indian?), you'll find some designers that are big fish in small ponds who do excellent work, instead of going to shops that sell to a "mainstream" (in terms of SL demographics) audience.
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Ralektra Breda
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04-05-2009 01:40
From: Pserendipity Daniels No, they are Russian-Americans. (Pep (Originally Siberians who emigrated across the Alaskan landbridge) I've actually heard another theory that they likely moved up from the Far East, and then across.
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Ephraim Kappler
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04-05-2009 01:53
Well it all started in Mesopotamia, meaning "land between the rivers", and specifically that tract between the rivers I know today as Dicle and Fırat. So I guess we're all Mesopotamians under the skin.
Glad that's settled.
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Ceka Cianci
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04-05-2009 02:03
Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus.. I thought everyone knew this.. If they hear us talking about colors again.It's gonna have them coming back down here again and pulling us out of our beds at night Then that stabbing us in the back of the neck thing with those needle things that cause that irritating itch that lasts two years..Oh and who wants to go back to having all those goofy dreams about people that look like this guy >  < now way not me again..So shhhhhh
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-05-2009 04:50
From: Milla Janick Asian, not Russian. Last time I looked, Siberia was part of Russia . . . Pep ( . . . although there might have been another revolution or something I suppose)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-05-2009 05:26
From: Ephraim Kappler Well it all started in Mesopotamia, meaning "land between the rivers", and specifically that tract between the rivers I know today as Dicle and Fırat. So I guess we're all Mesopotamians under the skin. Glad that's settled. Actually, physical evidence supports the contention that homo sapiens definitely had one origination locus somewhere in the Rift Valley, but there are some findings (inconvenient for the "unique" thesis) that suggest that there may have been multiple near-simultaneous mutation locations, one particularly in mid-Asia. Pep (notes that they have also split the atom since most people here left school)
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Milla Janick
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04-05-2009 09:25
From: Pserendipity Daniels Last time I looked, Siberia was part of Russia . . .
Pep ( . . . although there might have been another revolution or something I suppose) It wasn't when there was a land bridge across the Bering Strait.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-05-2009 10:26
From: Milla Janick It wasn't when there was a land bridge across the Bering Strait. What was the biggest island in the world before they discovered Australia? Pep (Australia)
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Oryx Tempel
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04-05-2009 13:10
"Guns, Germs, and Steel" is an interesting read.
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sable Valentine
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04-05-2009 20:25
From: Tod69 Talamasca Just something I always thought "odd":
In RL we can judge a person on gender & skin color.
In SL those things aren't there. We can't tell if they're man or woman, black or white.
YET- we still have people who hate Furries, Goreans, Vampires, etc.
When the RL prejudice is taken away, we come up with new ones.
Is it mans nature to hate what he does not like or understand?
I think even if the whole world went blind, we'd still find something to hate about one another. I agree with this and don't understand why. I read a blog about how this one avie and her group decided to be the Carrie Nation of sl and the tremendous hatred toward furries and the folks that devulge in deviant behaviors and I was like DAMN! You can really feel the hatred seething through her comments. At first I thought wow she is really roleplaying really good here but once I completely read the article I thought to myself this person is serious. Then I asked is it really that critical? About a year ago I met my neighbor on my mainland lot that was into satanic worship. We struck up a conversation as she was a fan of Star Trek Deep Six Nine or whatever the show was called. She ok he (whatever day he/she felt like being on a particular day) built this incredible wormhole. The detail was spectacular. We then toured this church she built. It was satanic. I was mortified being there as if it I was someplace like that IRL. Ok, I took a deep breath and looked around. Well I noticed the workmanship in her build of her church. Despite it being satanic, the textures were absolutely stunning. No devil stuff there except at the altar. Even the altar itself was gorgeous. Well she asked me what I thought. I surprised her.... I said you know the work and craftsmanship you put in this is remarkable. I applied the old adage here "if you can't say nothing nice, don't say nothing at all". But I stepped out of myself to look beyond the satanic variable. Because her builds were really nice. She came to sl like most of us to be probably what she couldn't be irl. Perhaps she can't worship they she truly wants to to irl and sl offers an outlet. Despite my personal feelings, I respect it.
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Set Serpentine
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04-05-2009 20:44
more often than not 'satanism' is a form of secular humanism rather than 'devil-worship' anyway.
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Clarissa Lowell
Gone. G'bye.
Join date: 10 Apr 2006
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04-06-2009 03:36
2 questions Did the OP find his skins? If not I will be glad to have a look around SL for him and post SLurls. I know where to find some freebie/dollarbie dark skins for women (honestly the various debates about appropriate racial language have me dizzy) but not offhand for men. Did the OP have a budget? I know I stuck to freebie/dollarbie skins for a looong time in SL. 2nd question Has anyone here done the Nat Geo DNA project? Verrry interesting. All I can say is, hello to all my brothers and sisters. 
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Milla Janick
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04-06-2009 05:37
From: Pserendipity Daniels What was the biggest island in the world before they discovered Australia?
Pep (Australia) That still doesn't make people who died 12,000 years before there were any "Russians" "Russian-Americans".
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-06-2009 06:39
From: Pserendipity Daniels What was the biggest island in the world before they discovered Australia?
Greenland. It still is. Australia's a continent. 
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