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Banned because of RL disability?

Kaia Kittel
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03-09-2008 06:57
From: Faithless Babii
WOW.....ive just read all the posts...and im pretty shocked how easily everyone has jumped on the band wagon?

The lady DOESNT know for sure she was banned because shes ill? Shes just summising...it was said it was because she swore at the owner...maybe her definition of a swear word...isnt theirs?

Ive been on the receiving end of this sort of thing and its NOT NICE...and because one sied of the situation posts about it...everyone jumps in and goes with it. Might be great to hear from the other person involved..but oh wait...they prolly dont KNOW this is all being said here right?

Youre ill...and thats really really sad...but please..dont just GUESS and attack another person...do what everyone else suggested...move on..find other places..SL is HUGE! Might also be worth seeing if there are some support groups for your condition...i found some really cool places that way (no, im not ill..i lost someone to cancer and felt like talking)

Anyway...good luck..enjoy your Second Life ...


The fact remains she has been banned has doesn't understand why - she's entitled to feel upset about that and come air it here....just like everyone else is entitled to respond however they feel, because like you, many have been on the receiving end of something similar.

I for one, did not see her post as an attack on anyone, it was just a post to open a discussion in the hope others, who can think outside the box as they are in no way involved, can comment as to possibilities as to how she can move forward with her SL life. No need for you to attack everyone yourself!!

By the way Midnite, Conifer has made a good point - it is possible you've been banned by mistake, so hold hope this will all be a memory before long.
Colette Meiji
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03-09-2008 06:59
If they banned you because of your disease they really are in the wrong.

They are completely allowed to ban you. But it doesn't make them right.

But theres nothing you can do if they wont change their mind except move on.

Hopefully you find a place with owners who have more respect for people.
Faithless Babii
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03-09-2008 07:50
From: Kaia Kittel
The fact remains she has been banned has doesn't understand why - she's entitled to feel upset about that and come air it here....just like everyone else is entitled to respond however they feel, because like you, many have been on the receiving end of something similar.

I for one, did not see her post as an attack on anyone, it was just a post to open a discussion in the hope others, who can think outside the box as they are in no way involved, can comment as to possibilities as to how she can move forward with her SL life. No need for you to attack everyone yourself!!

By the way Midnite, Conifer has made a good point - it is possible you've been banned by mistake, so hold hope this will all be a memory before long.

Im not attacking anyone...im merely pointing out MY view on a public post. Whilst i agree it is upsetting to be banned...taking a huge leap to the conclusion its because youre ill, to me...is wrong? It could be anything...other than that surely? Maybe they just decided they dont like her..who knows..but evne the title of the post "banned because of my illness etc" is showing this in an entirely different light than maybe it really is. Perhaps theres another reason, perhaps not...i stating that im surprised how easily led others are...and *IM* entitled to express that also :)
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03-09-2008 08:42
being mean to someone who is handicapped or terribly ill is just mean. i hope you can get in touch with your friends and find a way back into to their covey.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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03-09-2008 11:01
From: Rioko Bamaisin
Can you send me a LM in world? I cant sleep and I want to play.:D


sorry did not see this post till now (was sleeping :p)
you can always get to it via my store (right across from it) which is linked in my sig, or from my picks in world.
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Nika Talaj
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03-09-2008 11:13
There are a lot of immature people running clubs in SL, and that can lead to bad judgement and, in this case, perhaps out-and-out cruelty.

If a club manager is trying to build a light and happy atmosphere, then handling the situation where a resident brings up a weighty issue like Parkinson's in chat can be problematic, I would think. A mature person would be sympathetic and then at some point offer the participants in that conversation free use of one of the club's skybox's or VIP areas so they could continue the talk in private.

A panicked manager who saw people TPing into the club, and then leaving when they heard the conversation, might eject or ban. Though doing so without subsequent talk and apology is ... unfathomable. Claiming that banning because of using a swear word that was never said is also bizarre. Perhaps they classify any non-happy conversation as "swear words". I know a company that has been accused of acting like that *whistles*.

In any case, Midnite, do drop by the Hangout, and maybe also you could try joining a few Groups inworld that reflect your RL interests, or things you've always wanted to do but never done? Skydiving, sailing, ballroom dancing groups, writing, teaching ... in the course of exploring yourself you may find likeminded others :)
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Rioko Bamaisin
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03-09-2008 11:16
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
sorry did not see this post till now (was sleeping :p)
you can always get to it via my store (right across from it) which is linked in my sig, or from my picks in world.



Cool ,I'll check it out tongiht!:D
ZsuZsanna Raven
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03-09-2008 11:21
From: Midnite Rambler
Hi,
I suspect I was banned from a hangout place (island) I frequented on a pretty much daily basis because I said in open chat that I have just been diagnosed with Parkinsons Disease.
Nothing has been said to me personally on why I was banned (which I discovered only because I tried to TP there to chat over my morning coffee as I always do).
When making enquiries why I was banned to others there (on my friends list) I was told it is because I had sworn at a patron. But on checking chatlogs there is not one use of a swear word from me on that day at all. Not even a word that could be remotely construed as swearing (by anyone there that day/time). So obviously the excuse is spurious at best.

Is there anything I can do about this?
Effectively it has left me with no friends at all in SL at a time when they were most needed for support and friendship.

Midnite


Feel free to msg me the place so that I never go there. No one needs to go to a place like that nor have 'friends' that act that way *hugz*
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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03-09-2008 11:23
From: Rioko Bamaisin
Cool ,I'll check it out tongiht!:D

when I log in I will drop the lm on you so you have it

:)
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Cee Edman
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03-09-2008 20:04
Before assuming the cause of the banning was the open admission of the illness, it would be a good idea to take the stated reason as being serious. SL has, at times, shown chat text under the wrong name. You've checked your own chat log to your satisfaction that you did not say anything offensive. If you can get one of those "friends" to tell you what you appeared to say, perhaps you can check your log and see if it shows that as having been said by someone else.

This may or may not actually resolve the banning, if the owner wants to be hard-nosed. It *might*, however, make you feel a little better about having revealed something personal.

If you can't get any "friend" to tell you what you appeared to say, then I would agree, there were no real friends there after all. But you certainly have made some here, and I can vouch for them. They're neat people.
Usagi Musashi
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03-09-2008 20:10
From: Nika Talaj
There are a lot of immature people running clubs in SL, and that can lead to bad judgement and, in this case, perhaps out-and-out cruelty.



True, as the game gets larger you will be seeing more and more.......Many not even being 18 years of age.


MR, I have chatted with you in IM and in game. I know what kind of kind person you are.

Problems is there are so many people faking illness saying they are dieing etc......People that i am close to I do know they have real health issues. But there are some that use it to their advantage. A long time ago there was one such person playing this game..... 2 days later after she said she was headed to the hospital for needed treatment i see her again in the wa. Now, i ask why....... she said so little girl lies. Its these people that use other person emotions and why some people jsut don`t deal with Real Life issues.
Ceka Cianci
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03-09-2008 22:33
sl can be a cruel world..i'm sorry to hear of your ban..i've learned that people can be turned very easily into believing something even with no logs of things to prove this or that..all you can do is move on and rebuild..most times it is for the best and where you end up is usually better than the last..i hope the same for you in the near future..that you end up thanking the people for the better place you are in when you get there..because i believe thigns happen for a reason ..what seems like a bad situation now only means something good will come from it for you leading you to a better place winks*
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03-09-2008 22:55
I am sorry that happen to you. I don't know what happen.
I am also quite ill, disabled in real life.
I have various cognitive, physical, mental and immune related health issues.
I am also quite poor in first life and often it seems I run into very judgmental people who bash those who are poor, especially those with certain types of disabilities. The interesting thing about it is I see post like from people like that usually once a day or more here in forums. In world I don't spend time with people like that.. It is too distressing for me and bad for health to be around people who are incredibly judgmental and find a need to bash those who are different due to disability or disabled and don't have a whole lot.
When I was very new I sort of overcompensated hiding my situation, hoping to gain friends
if I was able to provide nice things for them.
I felt very ashamed, trapped and desperately want enough space to create in, have a life I can't have in my first one and when I was younger I thought to do so here I chose
going without things in my first life that most here wouldn't considering go without.
I literally had nothing left after I spent what I did on land, tier and turned to camping
so I could afford to upload my art.
Luckily I met some really nice people who became my friends and convinced me to stop
certain things like spending all my money I had on tier and land.
I was able to be truthful to them about my rl situations not because I expected them
to fix it but because they were my friends and I need to share the truth with someone about my life and how it effects me here.
I don't really like hanging out in new situations, especially when I am having my
bad days because I am sort of afraid I would be downer to those around me especially when I am in emotional vomiting mode.
I usually hang out with my few friends in Faeria Village or near there.
Members there are usually very friendly and accepting of all people and avatars.
I must say personally sometimes because I am having such hard time and I often I really try to keep majority of time certain things to only very close sl friends or blog and then I don't usually focus or talk about it much inworld. I try to focus on creative and fun things.
Sometimes though there has been people I have met in SL who are dealing with disability issues in real life and sometimes the things they say or their behavior I find very distressing and draining.
I am afraid sometimes I am just as bad so out of respect to those around me I don't go to many places or seek out new friends usually.
I am just sharing my own personal experience not saying that you're doing any of that.
I had for many years had close friend with Parkinson's too. He died about 12 years ago.
At the end of his life he often slurred his speech so badly that often if you didn't know you think he was drunk.
I have very fond memories of him. He was very young man we he became ill. He was
his mid 40's and died 7 years later.
I hope your condition will have more successful treatments then his did. And most of all you find fun, enjoyable place to hang out with full of very kind, accepting, and pleasant friends in Second Life.
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Sue Saintlouis
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03-10-2008 06:24
Ok, I am just SHOCKED!!! I do not understand people who, because they own land (and I own some too) think they have the right to treat others like dirty rags. Even if illness wasn't the actual reason, even if someone thought there was a VALID reason for a ban, I would think that the proper course is first to tell the person to stop whatever they're doing (in IM), then eject, then eject and ban. Give folks a chance! Nobody's perfect all the time!

Midnite, and any others, everyone is welcome at my place. It's always open, and there are a number of things to do. I just moved to this location, so I'm still adding new activities, but there's already quite a bit.
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03-10-2008 07:25
From: Midnite Rambler
Is there anything I can do about this?
Effectively it has left me with no friends at all in SL at a time when they were most needed for support and friendship.


Speaking as someone with a slightly less fundamental, but just as uncurable, disorder, I have found over time that you can't expect perfect charity from people. It's a high bar and some just can't do it. You may have been banned not so much for your disability, but for being needy, or a Jonah if you want to think of it that way. Their challenge may be to support you, but your challenge is not to make that onerous or obligatory.

(and no despite editing this for typos, mine isn't dyslexia)
Travis Lambert
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03-10-2008 07:42
From: Usagi Musashi
I myself had words to a Dog club owner about a personal issues i had a while back. but instead of be suppotive oal this geek man could say was insult me. Now this said person is some kiss ass llabs dog that believes he is the best thing that happened to sl. These types of foolish and totally greedy and stuctup people ( in his case A dog ).


Usagi,

You were permanantly asked to leave the Shelter because of repeated complaints about your attitude. To be blunt, you are an extremely negative person - and the mood of the room quickly deteriorates upon your arrival.

Our goal at the Shelter is to give new residents a positive experience. Its very difficult to provide that kind of environment when you chronically shift the conversation to how much you hate Second Life, Mentors, Lindens, various clubs you've worked at, or anyone else you've perceived as having wronged you. Anyone who disagrees with you is written off as a kiss ass, an alt, or otherwise disingenuous, and arguments inevitably ensue.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with talking about the shortcomings of Second Life, providing its done in a helpful way. It just seems you enjoy being negitive just for the sake of it - and as a result, a black cloud of drama seems to follow you wherever you go.

We just couldn't deal with the black cloud anymore, Usagi. You had to go.


Travis
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03-10-2008 07:51
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
or bring them along to my arcade (it is free to play, everyone welcome, and being it is free to play it is non profit for me)

I just feel it is nice to have many options for those many moods that hit us hehe

and when I say arcade, I mean arcade, fully interactive games like whack a mole, skeeball, zombie meltdown, aqua dash, and many more.

(be sure to grab a free ticket roll if you decide to play games, wear it when you play and earn tickets you can exchange for prizes)


Roarth I'd like to come along to your place - I have a lot more free time in SL these days and I tend to go off to places where I might not be looking for trouble but trouble decides it is in lust with me. Unrequitedly!

Be nice to have a place to hang out in inworld :)

Lana - girl, your taste in exes sounds as dodgy as mine ... what were you thinking? LMAO. Mine never called people HIV positive, I'll give him that, though he had plenty of vile things to say in voice IM about the people around him.
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03-10-2008 07:57
From: Travis Lambert
To be blunt, you are an extremely negative person


Not Usagi! :eek:

It doesn't matter though, Travis, because you're probably just someone else's alt. Or, if not, anyone who agrees with you must be one of YOUR alts.









:rolleyes:
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03-10-2008 07:58
From: Usagi Musashi
True, as the game gets larger you will be seeing more and more.......Many not even being 18 years of age.


MR, I have chatted with you in IM and in game. I know what kind of kind person you are.

Problems is there are so many people faking illness saying they are dieing etc......People that i am close to I do know they have real health issues. But there are some that use it to their advantage. A long time ago there was one such person playing this game..... 2 days later after she said she was headed to the hospital for needed treatment i see her again in the wa. Now, i ask why....... she said so little girl lies. Its these people that use other person emotions and why some people jsut don`t deal with Real Life issues.


I've never come across anyone claiming fake illnesses in the last two years. Perhaps I am just not a good target for psychic vampirism. The one person I know of for sure who has a disease really does have cancer. I haven't seen him for a while, he comes and goes. Last time I saw him, the cancer had spread to his eye and he was remaining positive in the face of that. I wish I'd spent more time talking to him, his connection was sporadic - I've now not seen him for almost six months and can't help wondering if I never shall again.

I don't want to join in bashing esp as there's now a back and forth brewing with you and Travis but if people look for the gloom, the gloom is all they will see.
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03-10-2008 07:58
From: Ann Launay
Not Usagi! :eek:

It doesn't matter though, Travis, because you're probably just someone else's alt. Or, if not, anyone who agrees with you must be one of YOUR alts.









:rolleyes:


Now we have cat girls agreeing with Dogs, what has this world come to
Travis Lambert
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03-10-2008 07:58
From: Ann Launay
Not Usagi! :eek:

It doesn't matter though, Travis, because you're probably just someone else's alt. Or, if not, anyone who agrees with you must be one of YOUR alts.


hehe exactly :D
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03-10-2008 07:59
From: Ann Launay
Not Usagi! :eek:

It doesn't matter though, Travis, because you're probably just someone else's alt. Or, if not, anyone who agrees with you must be one of YOUR alts.
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Becuase I had a running joke with Alt Aaybe, people thought I was HIS alt - or he was mine. LOL. Slight RL DNA difference there.
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03-10-2008 08:12
From: Colette Meiji
Now we have cat girls agreeing with Dogs, what has this world come to

Well, you know, both cats and dogs like to chase rabbits, although dogs are usually more successful at it. Plus, I also had that whole puppy smuggling racket a while ago.
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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03-10-2008 13:20
From: Cherry Czervik
Roarth I'd like to come along to your place - I have a lot more free time in SL these days and I tend to go off to places where I might not be looking for trouble but trouble decides it is in lust with me. Unrequitedly!

Be nice to have a place to hang out in inworld :)


you are very welcome to come by and hang out, play the games, whatever you like to do
(I will warn you though, it is not overly busy, you might be the only one there, sometimes ppl are there, but not always a lot) it is great though if you just wanna play some games without spending any lindens

:)

(or just want a quiet place to chill)
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Usagi Musashi
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03-10-2008 17:10
Ohhhhhh yea.....................................people typical :D


Then again look at the non human avie they are wearing......what you scared of rl people knowing how one can`t deal with people? Fatcs are not ever "thing" is as honest and giving as they appear to be. What one seems to be kind and caring is only a show there is nothing inside but empty self-centerness. Not everyone on sl gives this type of fake appearance. They just know how to use people for their own gains......Some just to belittle people because themselves can`t give from within.
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