OpenSims are now worth MORE!

Perhaps you can explain the part many of us don't get:

Who's stupid enough to pay 125usd for a laggy lowprim sim when at 295 you can get a fullsim ?

The answer, nobody is that stupid.

The 375usd could aswell say 1million USD, the tier make them completely worthless.

considering its more attractive to hold 1/2 of a mainland sim than an openspace, the os sim has very little value. twice as many prims, full scripting resources, same price...
merlin if you believe os sims are worth more today than yesterday i would be more than happy to sell to you. i'll even give you the old price.

btw, dont mistake op for the infamous landbaron merlin.

don`t forget that no sane estate manager will keep an void unless their resident wants to pay the price increase

for the same price of 4 voids, you can have a normal sim and save $205 a month (ex vat)

oh and when LL figure out what the rules are, they`ll come cracking down on your void

The funny thing is, lag is a huge issue in SL, they have always delivered crappy service. Their justification for raising the price is moot. How could the servers be abused? There are failsafes in place AFAIK that limit cycles for scripts, they chose the prim limit for their sims. The price raise is 67%. Let's say 40% of them shutdown because of the price increase, the lindens still make the same amount they're making now and they now have a much lighter load on their servers. So what is going to happen over time is that they will get full capacity again, raise another 67%, and then more people shutdown causing again less server load.

Plus for those people who purchased OS sims through a real estate company, they can no longer sell them to anyone else. Except back to the real estate company. If they buy them back, even.

I suspect most people will be abandoning.

mendatory reading, pay back time

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That is because one does not "purchase" OS Sims through a "real estate company".

They are "purchased" through LL after one already owns a whole sim.

A lot of people are learning this the hard way right about now, I suspect.

Great!, now we are letting bots post to the forums too..............................
Would the last real person playing please turn off all the vendors................

Mandatory reading indeed, for those who cant click here we go.....



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Originally Posted by Bid Messmer
don't know if this has already been covered here, but if you are a fan of hypocracy, go to

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Mos%20Ainsley/132/137/48

or check this out...

http://jira.secondlife.com/secure/attachment/19920/DoubleStandard.jpg

it's a moon base on a Maintenance group Governor Linden owned Open Space sim with 3196 prims used, hardly and inch of "open space". tons of vehicles, tons of scripts

way to lead by example LL....

btw, it's not a 1/2 bad build, too bad it's obvious ABUSE of the intended use of open spaces sims.




yes and there is also this lovely castle valeria ..
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Castle%20Valeria/54/58/24
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Mos%20Ainsley/132/137/48

Both of these Open Space sims were actually built by the Moles who work for Linden Lab. Both of these Open Space sims are perfect examples of hypocricy and deception on the part of Linden Lab.

This is a prime example and can actually be used as evidence against them in a court of law that they are indeed in grave violation of the AntiTrust law. They are monopolozing the economy and market to benifit them, giving them an unfair and unrealistic advantage over their competitors, the users of Second Life. Naughty naughty Mr Linden. If I were you now, I would be consulting with an attorney.

Speaking of attorneys, my lawyer has kindly offered to represent the users of SL (probono) pertaining to the Open Space sim issue. You can contact him via his website:
http://www.ralphgaboury.com/

He is currently setting up an official petition to present to Linden Lab.

Once again, I really do love Second Life and normally I support Linden Lab on many of their policies but this time are they are just wrong. This action will hurt more than 50% of SL users. It will destroy the virtual and even real life dreams of many. I sincerely hope that they rethink this decision carefully.

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I think we may see more and more sims simply being abandoned... the SL equivalent of posting the keys through the letterbox and driving off.

Who in their right mind would pay the new rate for ANY OpenSpaces sim? It comes out to L$8.8 per prim per month, as opposed to L$5.2 per prim per month for a full region private island sim, or L$3.4 per prim per month for a full region of Mainland.

I expect that 100% of them will get abandoned or converted to full-prim sims.

It has already begun. In the course of some very... lively... threads over on SLU, at least two people have already reported abandoning an OpenSpace sim because the increase in tier has outstripped what the renters market will support or will cost more than a decorative space is worth. Others plan to abandon sims as they are depopulated by the renters, most of which were already stretching to meet tier; others are planning to rent at cost, without profit. Needless to say, they will not be expanding.

Under current conditions, until the market re-stabilizes, you'd be lucky to give away an OpenSpace sim.

Really? Isn't that jumping the gun? I have my (vague, mild) doubts that LL will go through with this.

They're probably just building a package of "compensations", one worth even less than the other.

Prediction:
* your current openspaces will count as a discount to "upgrade" to a full sim. If you have 2 openspaces you pay $500, if you have 4 openspaces you convert them to a full sim for free

* "we'll work on developing a 'true low use sim with technical limits to avoid abuse at a lower cost" - this will never happen

* "We have no plans to raise any other pricing in Q4 and of course we will give plenty of advance notice if that should change" - we used to have a commitment of 6 months notice before price increases and Q4 would end December 31st.

* We'll cut the transfer/renaming fee for an openspace to a mere $50. - limited use to anyone

You couldn't anyway. My understanding of the blog post was that folks who own openspace sims are no longer allowed to sell them to anybody else, unless they've bought them from somebody else already - in which case the only person they'll be able to sell the sim to is the person who originally bought it from LL. So even if there were people willing to pay the tier on an openspace, they'd have to buy it from LL - current owners will not be able to recoup their losses in any way at all, and must simply abandon if they don't want to pay.

No. What it said in the Blog is that there would be "No Owner switching for Openspaces unless it’s a full transfer of Payor. "

In other words, you can't have the owner be someone other than the person who pays the tier each month. Most sim owners are both Owner and Payor. The same person owns the sim and pays the bills for it.

There is absolutely nothing in that Blog entry that says you can't sell the sim completely to someone else, transferring both Owner and Payor roles to a new sim owner (who would have to already own at least one sim).

Where you're going to find someone gullible enough to pay anything for an OpenSpaces sim now is another matter entirely. The old pricing put the monthly cost per prim almost exactly the same as a Private Island parcel that offered the same number of prims. With the new pricing, an OS sim will cost L$8.8 per prim per month, while a parcel on a private island offering the same number of prims costs L$5.3 per prim per month. Nothing that an OS sim offers is worth that much of a price jump, except for the ability to have a full OS region placed so it isn't touching any other sim, and marked "Not Public", for real privacy.

:qft:

If you are the owner, not one of the faux land owners who is in reality leasing the land, you can indeed sell the sim to someone else. But I believe there is a $100 transfer fee, and a $50 renaming fee, and weeks of waiting.

All told, the demand for OpenSpace sims will drop among new users who wanted them as stand-alone residences AND among the traditional market of estate owners who wanted them to augment their island for recreational purposes. The only people who can afford to keep an OSS now are the ones who abuse it with too many renters.

Way to go, LL.

Ironically this is true. This will put great pressure on owners to add additional renters to help pay the increased cost, exactly the opposite of stated purpose of OSS.

I cannot understand why if the goal is to reduce over-use, the action is not to simply limit over-use...

McCain economics...

Someone else is reporting that these sims are no longer openspaces, I haven't checked myself but if they've changed them to full sims now that's really taking the piss.

*EDIT* Yes they are both now full sims */EDIT*

If they are offering more prim, I would have no problems withpaying more for openspace sim.. None at all.

And what i dont get is the "are worth more" part because I doubt anyone is going to be buying them up so a sim sitting with no incoming cash flow is not worth carpola.