Who are the SecondLife Police?
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Brandon Chaffe
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06-20-2007 09:49
I had a SecondLife Police officer come to my club. At first I didnt take it seriously as people make all kinds of Titles and Groups. He was very polite asking if he could look around. I offered him a tour,lol. By the time I got to showing him how to swim in the club's pools, he left on another call.
My club is advertised as a Hangout, a Techno Goth Club with a store. I had a house set aside for adult activities but deleted as it didnt make sense for the rest of my build( however it did not have over the top animations!). The majority of the club is amusements and games like Mud Wrestling,Truth or Dare, a Mosh Pit, a Rubber room, diving board and slide with swimmable pool (yes, blood pool! lol)Sky diving from the roof, a huge swing and things like that. So...
Who is this guy, who is SecondLife Police, and why are they making official rounds? He could have easily come in as a casual avatar and done the same thing. I had a member bouncing around in Mosh Pit on the roof who left when he showed. No, she is not a sicko or whatever they are looking for.
Another time and this was a few months ago my girlfriend and I went to a PG amusement park. After having a blast, we sat down to "eat"lol at the food court. A man with "security" in his tag walked over and started talking to us. I wont lie, my girlfriend and I were having a great converstation laughing and just enjoying ourselves and we didn't want to engage in this conversation with him. He just walked around staring at us and talking about how he is bored. Then he asked "Are you 2 a couple?" I was uncomfortable with this as this was a PG area and I could not understand how this question was appropriate for the setting we were in, but again, he had security tags. After more staring and irrelvant comments, we finally just left. What if we were not adults?
Anyway, I am concerned about these tags. Not so much the first one as I do believe he was a Second life officer, but the second one was creepy and made me think that people could use these tags to do more harm than good. I dont know.
The question is, Who are the Police of SeconLife and what are there Official Tags? At this point, I will only trust the official tags set by SecondLife and I wish they would get rid of allowing avatars to use likeness group tags and titles. Thanks all
Brandon
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milady Guillaume
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06-20-2007 09:51
Just because it looks like a policeman, and tastes like a policeman, doesn't always make him a policeman. Dressup is a wonderful game is it not?
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Ante Flan
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Join date: 14 Sep 2005
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06-20-2007 09:55
They aren't official. In fact, the TOS was changed so you can not include "Second Life" in a group title because of these people. They think they are official, but they aren't, and a lot of them are just griefers, pretty much. You should report them when you see them so LL can remove the group again.
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Threshin Barnett
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Join date: 14 May 2006
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06-20-2007 09:58
There are NO official police of second life. Someone just made the group and they're going around, making themselves known, for their own reasons. While there are a very very few good security groups out there (yes, I have too met them lol), most are just excuses to assign themselves authority and abuse it. One or two are even well known for extortion. Watch your back and, if you can, get your own security to deal with the bleepheads who used "the badge" to do whatever the heck they want without regard to others.
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Kitty Barnett
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06-20-2007 09:59
Unless their last name is Linden, and their profile states "Linden Lab Employee", it's just another resident on a power trip with no authority.
There is no real "police" on Second Life.
(Edited to add that another tactic that's sometimes used is to claim to be an "off-duty Linden" which is just as meaningless and false)
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Brenda Connolly
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06-20-2007 09:59
From: Brandon Chaffe I had a SecondLife Police officer come to my club. At first I didnt take it seriously as people make all kinds of Titles and Groups. He was very polite asking if he could look around. I offered him a tour,lol. By the time I got to showing him how to swim in the club's pools, he left on another call.
My club is advertised as a Hangout, a Techno Goth Club with a store. I had a house set aside for adult activities but deleted as it didnt make sense for the rest of my build( however it did not have over the top animations!). The majority of the club is amusements and games like Mud Wrestling,Truth or Dare, a Mosh Pit, a Rubber room, diving board and slide with swimmable pool (yes, blood pool! lol)Sky diving from the roof, a huge swing and things like that. So...
Who is this guy, who is SecondLife Police, and why are they making official rounds? He could have easily come in as a casual avatar and done the same thing. I had a member bouncing around in Mosh Pit on the roof who left when he showed. No, she is not a sicko or whatever they are looking for.
Another time and this was a few months ago my girlfriend and I went to a PG amusement park. After having a blast, we sat down to "eat"lol at the food court. A man with "security" in his tag walked over and started talking to us. I wont lie, my girlfriend and I were having a great converstation laughing and just enjoying ourselves and we didn't want to engage in this conversation with him. He just walked around staring at us and talking about how he is bored. Then he asked "Are you 2 a couple?" I was uncomfortable with this as this was a PG area and I could not understand how this question was appropriate for the setting we were in, but again, he had security tags. After more staring and irrelvant comments, we finally just left. What if we were not adults?
Anyway, I am concerned about these tags. Not so much the first one as I do believe he was a Second life officer, but the second one was creepy and made me think that people could use these tags to do more harm than good. I dont know.
The question is, Who are the Police of SeconLife and what are there Official Tags? At this point, I will only trust the official tags set by SecondLife and I wish they would get rid of allowing avatars to use likeness group tags and titles. Thanks all
Brandon There are no Official Sanctioned SL Police. That clown was probably a Mom's Basement Dweller with delusions of granduer. He, or anyone in a "Policeman's Costume" has no right or business snooping around your Place. If he returns or any other of his ilk return, ask them to leave. If they, persist, eject them, and AR them. this is the type of nonsense that I see happening as a result of that stupid blogpost.
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Brandon Chaffe
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06-20-2007 10:06
Oh My God! Thank you everyone, I feel so stupid! Thank you and yes, I will report this right now. Basically I fell hook line and sinker into this act.
Fortunately there was no harm done, except for my bouncy mosher on the roof lol. She is back bouncing around again! lol
Seriously, thank you for your replies, I had no idea, now I do!
Brandon
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Schwanson Schlegel
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06-20-2007 10:17
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Mickey McLuhan
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06-20-2007 10:17
Having said all that, some islands have a "Security Force", used to enforce rules, for instance, ones with sandboxes or where weapons or vehicles are not allowed, or when people have a tendency to "ShoutSpam".
These, of course, are not SL Police, nor do they have any authority anywhere but the place that they're asked to keep an eye on and, really, the only thing they can do is AR you, report you to the managers and occasionally ban you from that sim/plot.
I've found that in General, most of these folks keep the title off until it comes time to do something, where a title gives a little more authority.
However, someone walking into YOUR club, pretending to be someone of authority? Just laugh at them until they cause trouble, then skeet shoot 'em out the door with a lovely AR to go with it.
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Dytska Vieria
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06-20-2007 10:33
Your club, your land, you are the police...
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Colette Meiji
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06-20-2007 10:38
Badges?! we dont need no steekin badges!
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Malachi Petunia
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06-20-2007 10:41
From: someone They aren't official. In fact, the TOS was changed so you can not include "Second Life" in a group title because of these people. ... You should report them when you see them so LL can remove the group again. Imagining how hard it would be to add to the group creation code: if name ~= /Linden/ or /SL/ then error Nevermind, that's a stuipd idea.
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Brandon Chaffe
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06-20-2007 10:48
This is like Pandora's box! The group is Police Patrol and it's members all have numerous groups including the F.B.I. with Federal Agent as their tag. Just a heads up and again, thank you 
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Amity Slade
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06-20-2007 12:49
Some of these "Second Life Police" groups have been around a while. You would think that Linden Labs would be concerned that some of their customers are pretending to be agents and representatives of Linden Labs. And yet, nothing is done.
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Apple Pinkney
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06-20-2007 13:06
That reminds me of the old line:
"Officer, officer! Somebody tell a policeman to call a cop."
I've seen them under a variety of groups since I arrived in SL. I never took them seriously and suggest nobody else does.
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Angelique LaFollette
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06-20-2007 13:12
For over-all SL, the only legit police are the Lindens themselves. On Individual Sims, and private properties, Policing is done by the land owners (And Deeded friends if the land owner chooses). The land owners jurisdiction begins, and ends at his borders. When you are on someone elses property, you MAY be within LL's TOS But the Land owner, if S/He takes exception to your behaviour/look/breath he can Boot and Ban you, No explanation Needed. Anyone else Claiming to be an SL police officer, who attempts to Force your compliance with his wishes by means of Threats and intimidation is in fact a griefer, and should be Abuse reported immediately under the heading of Harassment.
Any person or group entering your land representing themselves as a Police Force or agency should be told by you to Immediately cease All policing actions, and remove all Tags banners uniforms and identifiers that represent themselves as such. Any hesitation, refusal, or debate on thier part should be dealt with by Immediate removal, and Ban. Do this on an individual basis Rather than banning the group Unless other representatives of the group come to your land in attempt to either release the ban, or take punative action against you for the ban.
Angel.
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Kalel Venkman
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06-20-2007 13:21
So-called "Police Departments" in SL, like any other security group, should be taken with a grain of salt. Don't just take their word on anything. If any claims any innate authority, the correct response is to ban/eject/report them to the Lindens for it. This is the line most of this so-called public servants cross - they presume to have authority over you on your own land. Nuts to that. I remember one encounter at Sandbox Goguen - somebody had dropped a rather large number of physical objects, and it was lagging the sim (yes, I know they would eventually have been autoreturned, but I decided to try to clean up anyway). I was driving a modified vehicle around to sweep them off the edge of the sim, and some "traffic cop" blocked my ersatz bulldozer and told me to "get off my vehicle" because it was a "no vehicle sim", and he was just "enforcing the law". All the while, of course, driving around in his patrol car, breaking the law he said he was enforcing. And to top it off, he also refused to help clean up the real problem. The only thing he was worried about was his fake vehicle code. There actually are a few of these "Police Departments" that actually do play by the rules. I've met one or two - but the sad thing is that I don't remember which specific group they were with, because they're all called "Police" something-or-other. And of course, a great many are protection rackets or some such, so beware of any group asking for money or offering to mediate for a fee. They have no authority to do so, and no basis for requesting money.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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06-20-2007 13:53
Some of the folks in the Second Life Police group seem to find it amusing to leave patrol cars with sirens running in the sandbox sims. Bunches of them. 
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Destiny Niles
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06-20-2007 15:35
It's Roleplay!!! Most people don't complain when someone drag their slave around by the chain. Let them have their fun. There are some superheros you can call if the police get out of hand and let them duke it out 
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Teeny Leviathan
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06-20-2007 15:45
The best way to deal with the "Police" in SL is to repeat this very special phrase: Bite me. Its even better if you are on your own land. 
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Brenda Connolly
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06-20-2007 16:04
From: Teeny Leviathan The best way to deal with the "Police" in SL is to repeat this very special phrase: Bite me. Its even better if you are on your own land.  You choose to be polite I see........If they mess with me they are going to get a response more befitting my New York upbrining.....
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Mortus Allen
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06-20-2007 16:59
Roleplay is all fine and good, but if you roleplay in a physically or emotionally harrassing manner towards some one that has not consented to it, they can at their descression choose to AR the individual when it ceases to be amusing and if the harrassing party refuses to stop.
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Daisy Rimbaud
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06-20-2007 17:07
From: Mortus Allen Roleplay is all fine and good, but if you roleplay in a physically or emotionally harrassing manner towards some one that has not consented to it, they can at their descression choose to AR the individual when it ceases to be amusing and if the harrassing party refuses to stop. Agreed, but some of the police-like groups are pure RP, do not wish to involve others without their consent, and do not welcome being tarred with the same brush as the guys who push in where they aren't wanted.
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SqueezeOne Pow
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06-20-2007 17:12
The only "legitimate" police I've seen were chosen by the owner of a private island to keep order in the sim. They had a detailed setup of paperwork and protocol for the police. If you broke a rule you could play along with them and go to jail or whatever your offense warranted or you could go away and potentially be banned or at least have a "warrant" out for you.
There were eventually drama problems because of the fact that most people that aspire to be a cop (SL and RL) have superiority complexes or are otherwise compensating for something.
The sim was pretty empty for a long time until the owner dissolved the police force alltogether. The sim isn't there anymore.
Only "police force" I'm down with is the Justice League and the Green Lanterns because they don't try to enforce anything but rather help the people in trouble with figuring out how to make an AR.
Otherwise all the groups that take up weapons in an effort to grief the griefers aren't protecting anyone and are essentially griefers themselves...and they don't matter.
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Brandon Chaffe
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06-20-2007 17:17
Okay wait, but the original questions was not about cop roleplay per se. It was someone posing and stating once I asked that they were in fact a cop. Also they had the tag SecondLife Police Officer. I know what you are talking about, but this guy did not extort, he gave a landmark to his wife's business (hmmmm, actual goal of his perhaps). He did not like set off an alarm, though my club member left. Yes, I was naaive and yes, I am not the type of person who says "get off my land pig" lol.
And yes, I do complain about "slaves" on chains! lol
For the Federal Bureau group walking around as a federal agent tag. Now isnt that a real crime? I thought that if one impersonates a fed, it was a big deal. I dont know, this is insane lol
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