No Transfer

Can someone explain the reason for NO TRANSFER? I like to purchase clothes for my favorite woman but cannot transfer. I understand the need for NO COPY, that seems fair but NO TRANSFER? why not?

There no loss of income on the sale. If I give things away it is the same as if the recipient purchased the item.

cos for reasons of practicality, things cannot be both copy and transfer- otherwise people would have infinite copies of the clothes to resell.
most designers elect to make their clothes copiable because thats what most customers want. reasons for this are:
-sl asset server loses things
-items can be copied many times into different folders to create many different outfits
-things such as prim skirts are normally modifiable, and it is nice to have a spare copy in case you stuff up trying to resize/reposition

if you see an item that is no transfer, contact the creator and see if they offer it no copy instead, or if they will gift it to the person for you

If anyone wants permission opposite of those I have listed on my stuff, all they have to do is ask, and I will sell them a switched permission copy

You can shop on SLExchange or that other one and send them to her, or try asking the maker to send one to the person. Most do it without a problem, a little effort on your part maybe as well as the creators.

I'm not sure if you are right with the word "most". I will not start a new discussion about pro/contra of copy or transfer, but we sell our designs since the beginning only transfer/no copy and we never had a inquiry to do them copyable.

Arguments about the merits of both options have taken place many times.

People are just as vocal in slamming sellers who sell in no copy/trans as they are in people selling copy/no trans, its a catch 22 situation:

No copy/trans
Items behave more like RL, may be gifted, sent back for a refund if doesnt suit or accidently bought.
More vulnerable to losses due to LL asset server/user mistakes.

Copy/no trans
Item is infinately copiable so mistakes on modification dont matter(if original is safe).
Certain things like scenery items etc which people may need to use many times on land are much better value for money in this form.
Cannot be given as a gift(although many places now use systems or SLX in order to allow these items to be bought as gifts)
Less vulnerable to loss, and can be replaced to the buyer "no questions asked" because they cannot have given the item away/sold it.
Normally non refundable if the item is unsuitable or accidently bought, because obviously the item cannot be returned in exchange for a refund because no trans.

This last point is the major downside of copy/no trans, the major downside of no copy/trans is the vulnerability to asset loss, although copy/no trans is still not a complete defence against this.

For all the people that hate one type with a passion, there are as many who hate the other with a similar passion...

perhaps 'most' is a bit presumptuous, but it has been my experience that ppl do prefer copiable items in most, with the reasons i listed above being the most cited reasons in the case of clothing.
ao animations, hairs, prefabs, etc may have different reasonings, but i still reckon that in most cases mod/copy/no trans is the way to go and keeps the most people happy.

i \hate\ "yes copy" .. "no trans" on clothing.
on nearly everything else... i like those permission. but clothes.. i want my clothes "no copy" and "yes trans"

i refuse to buy no trans clothes.

i really don't believe most users utilize the "make outift" function in SL... and that is the \only\ reason i can see that i'd want to be able to copy a system tshirt or pair of underpants... a zillion times in my own inventory.

I have seen items for sale like that. The thing is... The market is saturated... If I see an outfit that is trasfner/no-copy; chances are I simply move on. For me, it's not worth the effort of IMing the maker/seller simply because I expect to find something close to it or better somewhere else. (^_^)y

If something is mod, then having copy is a sensible solution. It actually gives someone the chance to make tweaks but keep the original in case of disaster, from a consumer point of view I'd have thought this was a decent option.

However in the above scenario to also have transfer would mean one person could buy the outfit and basically make the designers product worthless.

you think a SYSTEM (not prim) shirt.. you can screw up so bad that you need to make a copy first???

Prim clothes.. maaaaaaaybe i can understand. But a non-prim system tee shirt? Even if its yes~mod.. how with the "sliders" can i mess it up so bad that i need a back up..?

okay okay.. i'm not really annoyed with you.. just.. again.. i don't like the "no trans" clothes.

/me grins and runs around dancing happily cos I got a cool vendor script the other day that allows the buyer to choose copy or trans whichever they prefer. Wooo hooo best 1000L i ever spent. Now Ihave to finish rolling out the scripts though out all the items in my store.

I think overall more like copy stuff han trans, but I love creators that cater for both options. I hate no trans cos i rarely wear things more than a few times and I like to give away items. But i completely understand editing a skirt and stuffing it up and being upset cos it is no copy.


So in short designers should offer both YAY

Indeed, by the sounds of it consumers want the choice. That vendor does indeed sound cool.

Unfortunately we cannot please everyone and so each creator must decide on one method or the other. There are options, such as a vendor placed in the shop which sells no copy/transfer items, and there is also a script which can be used to allow someone to choose the permissions they want on an item.

For every person who will not purchase an item with one set of permissions, there is another who will not purchase it with the other.

There's no rule that says you can't include more than one copy.

A few stores that will include a second NC/T prim skirt (as one example) or include one NC/T and one C/NT which works out great.

That said, most attachments just don't need all that much adjusting that someone who's done it a few times can't get it right or can't fix it if a finger slips.

Add to that that a whole lot of creators are so clueless or vain that they think making something no mod keeps something from getting copied or that it'll ruin their "vision" that less and less is actually still mod in which case C/NT is only done so they don't have to worry about someone giving a pair of shoes they don't need to someone else (which plenty of creators see as a "lost sale" for some obscure reason).

Hmmm I like this idea. Cheers

The "make outfit" function is horrible, no doubt there. However, there are lots of different ways people sort out their clothes, combine them into outfits, etcetera.

As your inventory grows, it's becoming a real drag to scroll through all those folders to wear your underwear, scroll again to find a shirt, more searching to wear some decent pants, then find matching shoes in yet another folder, hair, socks, jacket...
So yes, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who just throws a whole matching outfit into a single folder, so just right clicking the foldername and selecting "add to outfit" gets myself dressed.
However, this does mean that I need my pants in that folder. But, if it's a nice pair of pants, I'll probably want to wear it with another outfit as well. So either I have to buy those pants twice (if not even more) or get myself a copyable version. And this is not just about the pants, it's about every piece of clothing I wear.

So obviously, I prefer copy/no transfer clothes for myself.

But, I also know what you mean about giving away clothes. I sometimes buy clothes for some of my friends as well. Good thing more and more vendors work around that problem, for example by having gift vendors, which send your gift directly to the person it's meant for. Or who offer sales through SLX. Or even sell their creations in 2 versions: both copy/no-transfer and no-copy/transfer.

It's just that they don't always tell what version they say, so sometimes I want to buy something for a friend, and it turns out to be no-transfer after purchase, without a single sign or notecard warning me of that. So if a shop doesn't clearly state whether they sell transfer or copy items, I won't buy a thing there, especially no gifts. That's their loss of a potential customer.

Just shop with your eyes open. If the permissions don't suit your needs, you can simply go elsewhere, or contact the creator and ask for a version with inverted permissions, or to send it directly to your friend(s) in case of a gift.

There's a market for each version. YOU having no use for one version doesn't mean there aren't other people who DO.

The "make outfit" function is horrible, no doubt there. However, there are lots of different ways people sort out their clothes, combine them into outfits, etcetera.

As your inventory grows, it's becoming a real drag to scroll through all those folders to wear your underwear, scroll again to find a shirt, more searching to wear some decent pants, then find matching shoes in yet another folder, hair, socks, jacket...
So yes, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who just throws a whole matching outfit into a single folder, so just right clicking the foldername and selecting "add to outfit" gets myself dressed.
However, this does mean that I need my pants in that folder. But, if it's a nice pair of pants, I'll probably want to wear it with another outfit as well. So either I have to buy those pants twice (if not even more) or get myself a copyable version. And this is not just about the pants, it's about every piece of clothing I wear.

And I don't even have skirts to modify, by the way. But copyable versions are *definitely* usefull there as well!

So obviously, I prefer copy/no transfer clothes for myself.

But, I also know what you mean about giving away clothes. I sometimes buy clothes for some of my friends as well. Good thing more and more vendors work around that problem, for example by having gift vendors, which send your gift directly to the person it's meant for. Or who offer sales through SLX. Or even sell their creations in 2 versions: both copy/no-transfer and no-copy/transfer.

It's just that they don't always tell what version they sell, so sometimes I want to buy something for a friend, and it turns out to be no-transfer after purchase, without a single sign or notecard warning me of that. So if a shop doesn't clearly state whether they sell transfer or copy items, I won't buy a thing there, especially no gifts. That's their loss of a potential customer.

Just shop with your eyes open. If the permissions don't suit your needs, you can simply go elsewhere, or contact the creator and ask for a version with inverted permissions, or to send it directly to your friend(s) in case of a gift.

There's a market for each version. YOU having no use for one version doesn't mean there aren't other people who DO.

That is a good option, I was thinking about it a few times. But like my wife tells me always and I was reading that here too, there are lots of ppl that don't like to buy from vendors. They like to see the content by clicking the box. You can do what you like, it will be always wrong or right

*raises her hand* I won't buy from vendors .

As much as I hate C/NT and prefer the choice, there's something that's even more important than permissions choice and which precious few are doing: demos.

My reason for wanting NC/T is so that if something doesn't look good on me I can at least make a friend happy with it, otherwise it's just completely wasted money. Demos greatly reduce the "it looked so much better on the ad".

It might be a drag for you, but it's most of the fun of getting dressed for me. I pretty much never wear outfits as purchased - or wear the same self-assembled outfit twice for that matter - and searching through inventory for just the 'right' item is rather like a game.

I know I'm not the only one who does this...take, for example, this blog:

http://closetcrisis.com/

In any case, to the OP, also check OnRez for giftable items. It seems to get overlooked in these types of discussions, but there are really a lot of well known content creators using it these days.

Personally, I LOVE the "yes copy" / "no trans" on clothing. Because yes, I DO create half a dozen different appearance folders with a particular outfit. For example, I will take a copy of my three-tailed red fox vixen avatar, and add to that a nice pair of copyable slacks, a nice blouse, and some high heel shoes. I can take a copy of my Human avatar, and add the exact same clothes to that one. And ditto for my grey wolf form. This allows me to switch rapidly from one form to another, and retain the same clothes. I have over 80 digfferent avatar forms, and many of them use the same hairstyle, or have an appearance folder pre-set with one of my favorite outfits of clothes. The only ones that I do not do this with are those that don't WEAR clothes, like my huge dragon, or those I use only rarely, like my otter anthro form.

I also like to mix and match items from different outfits. Sometimes the skirt from one outfit looks stunning with the blouse from another. Or the corset and gloves from one outfit complement the bodysuit from another, and the slacks from a third. And most clothing outfits need shoes and underwear from other sources. So I copy the parts from each and make a new outfit that has the elements I wanted to combine.

I will buy "no copy" / "yes trans" outfits, but ONLY if they are very well done, not available any other way, and meet some precise need. If I have the option of a similar outfit that is "yes copy" / "no trans", that copyable one is the one I will purchase, every time.

I do NOT usually use the "make outfit" button in the appearance controls, because in the past if I happened to be wearing a no-copy clothing item, using the "make outfit" button did create an outfit folder containing that dress, but it also totally and permenantly screwed up the names of all the clothing parts that were no copy! Instead, I go the safe route, and manually build an inventory folder with the clothing and avatar parts that I desire for an outfit.

If I want to give clothing as a gift, I shop for it on SLX, or I contact the maker of the no-trans outfit and make arrangements for a copy to be delivered to the intended recipient. It's usually no more trouble than wrapping a real gift to give to someone.

Hey Ceera, my attitude is a little bit different in that a truly stunning dress will be mine whether or not it's transferable. A really good dress would be one I would always want to keep and have multiple copies for outfits. On the other hand a cheaper dress or not so well made or one that doesn't fit my style MIGHT still be bought if it's transferable. My thinking is that I can wear it and if I find it doesn't really suit me I can give it away to an alt or to a newbie. So for me it would be an extra incentive.

All my stuff is copy/mod no transfer- but am looking at E's suggestion of a script to let the buyer choose- Personally as a shopper- i prefer copy/mod.

I really wish I could have a choice in the matter wherever I shop. I'd love to be able to choose on any item whether it should or should not be transfer - for an alt, a gift for someone, or just to get a refund if I find the item isn't what I expected.

Which, I have to say, is an issue. There's quite a few merchants that hide behind the "no transfer / no refund" policy because their work isn't as good as what's pictured on the vendor.