Land Sales and Robots

A long time ago there was a third party website that sent one or more bots into Second Life and noted all land for sale (I do not recall if it only did mainland or not), and then put that information up on the website. Very informative and very helpful if you do not have access to the internal Second Life 24/7 (like, say, if you sometimes went to work and didn't have access there). The robot, though, was beaten over the head by LL and banned, and the website died. At that time, at least.

Is that website up again, and if so what was it called? If that isn't around, did anything replace it? I know places like Slexchange have land for sale classifieds, but that website I refer to had everything for sale in SL.

I have another 4 hours of work before I can enter SL, so . . any help to pass the time (no one cares, but that will make a 12 hour day)? I am interested in purchasing some land again.

for a while one of that websites Bot avs got suspended. I do remember that.

That site is no longer active as far as I know, but if you want to talk land purchases for the next four hours, I'm available.

Very good. I've spotted land on the edge of a sim connects to many Linden-owned water sims. The sim itself is nice enough, and having that access to a huge amount of unblockable water is rather nice.

Should I not spend more than 12L per square meter for that land?

Oh, and there are only two parcels of land for sale on that sim.





Ok, the above was serious but no way for you to really answer so - is there a way to search for land that is similar using the land search function? If I sort the search results I get an error message saying that I've done too many searches are something like that. If I use the Map . . . well I get people's stores that they are selling for huge globs of money just to have their store visible . . or whatever there rationale is there.

That land is worth at least 12L a meter. How much per meter is it listed for? Anything below 18L is not unreasonable for that type of land.

You are getting that error message because you are refreshing too often. Wait four or five seconds between clicks. There is no real way to sort for type of land. We are slaves to the land descriptions. However, you can tell a broker like Sarah Nerd what you are looking for and she can keep an eye out for you.

Wow, I thought mainland was supposed to be cheaper than private estates! 12L/sqm is quite high in my book!

Ok, I'll see what I can see in the way of land brokers.

I believe that is something like 29L per meter

Not for waterfront connected to protected ocean sims...that type of mainland is more valuable than private estates that have void borders (borders that look like ocean but are the end of the sim so you can't sail into them). Hence the 29L per meter price just mentioned by Soji.

L$12 per sqm to L$18 per sqm ?? I need to move to Mainland or buy some Mainland for real!!

WOAW...29L$ per sqm........I must start buying Mainland Sims...
After a year of a thousand threads screaming "HIGH PRICED LAND IS A RIP OFF!!!"... This is considered good?

No, I don't really think that is good. It is just one of those unique deals where it is on the edge of the sim, good looking sim, and there are a ton of protected Linden ocean sims connected to that parcel.

So, what is the upper limit I should be placing?

The last land I bought was at 8L per square meter, and it has been a long time since I had that land, so I do not really know what the smart thing is here.

That price is too high, but you have to remember that it's a one-time cost and the main cost over time will be tier. So it's really up to you. But for comparison's sake, we obtained the Forum Cartel waterfront land for about 1/3rd of what they are trying to get for that land per meter*. I would keep looking or make an offer at 15L a meter just to see what they say if you really want it.

*prices were lower across the board then and I haggled with the broker selling the land.

I'll look around, and see if I can talk with the seller. Tier is no problem.

If the land meets and exceeds all your needs, and it's perfectly suited to what you want it to be, and it's within your budget, and you would feel happy about buying it, don't listen to what other people tell you it's worth. It's worth a different amount to every different person (or kitty). A few months down the road, the price difference between 29L/sqm and 15 will evaporate. Don't pass on the perfect place just because it doesn't make it onto the first page of the land search. If it makes you happy, and fits within what you can comfortably pay, then go for it!

I'm the farthest thing from an expert on land. But last time I was in the market it worked out well for me so I'm tempted to talk about it.
Looking in the search and at ads for land just totally confused me so I started looking at the yellow areas on the map and teleporting to them. Every time I arrived I looked around, looked at the price, thought about it and then went on to the next one on the map. I spent several hours doing this, which I found to be a fairly interesting and pleasant way to pass time. I was able to cover a lot of area in the time and see a lot of different areas. By the time I got to the place where my main shop is now I could see it was a great place and I knew the price was good. I'm still really happy with it.

I completely agree with Argos !!
My earlier posts were just out of shock for seeing the Mainland Prices as acceptable priced at the mentioned prices. Being an Estate Owner I read all the threads bashing Land Pricing and I don't personally take a side on whether Mainland or Private Sims are better or worth more then each other.

I do believe that the land you buy is worth to you what you perceive it to be worth. No matter what anyone else thinks or says. If you are satisfied with your land deal then it's a good deal for you.

I recently bought some new land that is on the edge of protected water. Unfortunately I do not own all the plots up to the protected edge, but I have a sizeable chunk of coastline. I bought this for 14L/m2. The previous owner bought it for much higher than that, and effectively took a loss of approximately 33%. But he didn't know how the landscape would look once more sims would start hitting the auction block. Looking at some of the prices, I don't think he had anything to worry about and could have fetched more, possibly. But I would never have bought it at 21L/m2. I'd buy an island before doing that, especially since islands are so popular and provide a lot of cheap waterfront property.

But what good is waterfront property if it runs into a void border, making it impossible to sail anywhere beyond the confines of your Island?

When the plan would be to expand and have sailable waterway of your own, what difference does it make if there is a void? Only in the beginning.

And even then, most people just want the view. They don't necessarily care to sail, sailing is a bonus.

Yes. I think that is it too. A great attraction to private island waterfront is often the view, even if you bounce off of it if you try to sail into the sunset. Learned that lesson the hard way after my noob purchase of some estate land. Made for incredible sunsets though, and I still have a soft spot for that little parcel.

I think the ability to fly or sail beyond the confines of a sim is a big deal. An even bigger deal is the killer tier.

From my personal experience, $195 was a huge price to pay a month. Now you are talking about $295 a month, double that if you want to go sailing. I know there are people who have multiple sims and do quite well, but to be successful at it, it takes a crapload of time, outlay of cash and energy.

I wish anybody who is going to venture into a multi-estate venture a lot of luck and a family who understands why they are IMing with their renters at all hours of the day.

It is, but only to the most elite segment of tenants. This depends heavily on the market, and the market has become increasingly cheap. A lot of people are not willing to pay for such amenities and will settle for the fantastic view. A lot of people would be happy being on the coastline of a flat green island with no terraforming. These are not uncommon for a reason, and that is price.

Not necessarily.. waterfront on the mainland commands a premium for some strange reason. I guess because of the fact that it is protected on one or more sides from anyone putting anything there.

I will agree the market is willing to pay less and less. I lowered my prices towards the end of my sim ownership and still never reached capacity. But I guess I am one of those elite people who want to sail or ride a hang glider farther than 65,000 meters.

On of the reasons I loved that little plot of land that I wasn't able to buy was that it was connected directly to a huge Linden river system. I've sailed extensively, now, through those Linden rivers. Personally, I'm looking for land on a Linden river, not on an ocean. Though it helps if the river extends to other rivers, and to lots of ocean sims, like the one that got away.

Ack. I just realized that I started this thread asking about a plot of land on the ocean, and just now was referring to a plot of land I wanted that was on a river The ocean one is still there. I want river now