bay city questions

I can see that. Must be filling with people who have set home there because you can't walk into it.

Even shifting it over to where the Grub Beach sim is would improve the situation as Inner Harbor is all municipal land so it would not impact any landowners, or Docklands nearly as much.

We still want spill-over from the Hub, but not a stampede that kills everything.

... alternatively insert a very basic grasland sim between Hau Koda and Docklands. It only requires a minimum of landscaping and decorations of say up to 200 prims in trees and a road and should take max half a day and a couple reboots to finish.

It sounds to me as if they may also need to completely remove Hau Koda from the set of InfoHubs at which new residents can arrive, until there's some attrition in the ranks of those who have already set their Home to that location.

First Linden Lab has to think of a reason to give those folks to move on. There used to a be a First Land program that urged folks to go premium. That was gamed and considered unfixable by LL so it went away.

The biggest mistake they made was to convince themselves that their unsupervised parking lots were 'working'. Set them up as free education facilities. LL Already started approving community groups to be 'official' helpers for Second Life. Let these groups schedule entry level classes (in English and other languages) at these places.

LL already admitted that these places are not helping them with new resident retention - then why is DPW still forcing them on tier paying customers? Senseless.

It does seem as if hubs nearby make living around there untenable.

I'm about to sell off the residential land I had bought, because I didn't realise it was so near a hub when I bought it.

/me sighs

This.

Hey Gummo --



Over the last couple of months I've been dropping in over there. Usually the limit
is 42, but the it oddly fluctuates up to higher numbers.

And the Bay City Airport is hardly what one would consider an "Infohub", it's more like a psycho ward. =) It has to be one of the worst places to drop a newbie; aside from the freak show; the lag is fantabulous and constant!

-I

My guess is it's all the "attachments" lagging everybody down j/k

I usually see it maxed out at 43 users. It might have been a fluke their upping it to 90something the other day - or a test to see if less would go somewhere else.

Removing Hau Koda would mean Moosehead is back to stuffy again.

As for psycho ward, I really REALLY wonder about the ages of some of those people. We need a better and up front age verification system in place if SL isn't intended for minors in the first place. No one setting foot should be not verified.

To me to really protect the investment and beuaty of bay city it should me a buissness version of shermenville and not be bothered with all the problems cuased by an infohub. And the airport should be treated like the rail station over in zindra withsmall market parcels.

And how long till they work out some sort of system to cap avatars not based on quanity but total ARC

Interesting you mentioned that. I submitted this proposal for Bay City Alliance and Blondin Linden when there was a discussion about Hau Koda (before it was built).

Infohub for business developers
Gavin Hird on Wed May 06, 2009 2:10 am

I think that rather than start with a discussion on the building theme, I'd like us to focus on the content of the Infohub.

What I would like to see is an Infohub being targeted at business developers in SecondLife. This is both consistent with Linden Lab's desire to bring more RL business into SecondLife, using it as a business development platform, while at the same time it can help establish Bay City as a point of entry for RL businesses into SL.

What I have in mind is not necessarily the large corporations, but smaller companies that see opportunities for using SL as a smart platform for business development.

Such a hub should also act as an information center for all the aspiring entrepreneurs inside SL who want to develop a business based on the experience they have gained being in-world.

I don't really see it desirable to have an Infohub that brings in hordes of noobs to the area (nothing wrong with them as such) because the layout of the city (small parcels) in combination with rather high prices makes it very hard to establish any kind of business that appeal to these users and at the same time make a return on investment on land.

A theme for such an infohub should be in line with the above target groups.

Gavin,

Yes and the newbs would ignore everything and still do what they're doing now.

How many of them are even aware of all the free drinks at the bar?

I think the whole point was that it would not be for noobs – well, at least not for the type that is mostly there now.

Yeah, I feel a bit sorry for Misty who struggled over all those glasses for days.

Hehe, I suppose your right. The fact that all of those folks are thrown there 24 hours a day (Like the cast of LOST) is the main issue. That blue dot is the culprit. Confused, unskilled and uneducated - they wander aimlessly clutching onto the familiar - that infohub. Then you have the older residents that just like standing in crowds chatting and it quickly becomes nonsense.

Linden Lab is suppose to be rolling out some new Master Plan for Premium Accounts by the end of year. We shall see if this issue is finally dealt with by then.

I still think most of them are underaged

I know you're a guy in the know Gavin, what exactly is bay city alliance working on these days? Doesn't seem to be much of anything based on looking at their forums and the group notices..

Best way to keep up to date is to join the bi-weekly meetings (Sundays at 12 PDT) or ask BlueGin directly. I think there is a meeting coming up this Sunday.

/me is happy he moved from Docklands to Imaginario when he did. Chalk up another advantage to renting.

30 minutes in the corner for you, young lady. Watch your language.

Really?

Could you say a bit more, please?

THEY hired a firm based in Brooklyn, new York to re-haul or enhance the mainland, new user experience and the premium account holder's experience. The name of the firm is BIG SPACESHIP. You can follow their tweets to see what they are up to. I suspect not much.

The number of avatars on the sim can be set to 100 regardless of the number of other sims on the same server. Estates routinely set avatar limits up all the way, and 50 or even 60 avatars is a sim rarely produces noticeably worse lag than 40. Even Linden-owned sims are often run that way, I haven't seen one but I've had reports from people at concierge-level parties that they even get to that limit without crashing (though it's unpleasant to say the least). Mainland sims are set to a limit of 40, specifically, for primarily historical reasons. That used to be the hard limit and Linden Lab has no reason to increase it.

I have never seen anyone in a position to know claim that sims are sufficiently multithreaded to benefit other than indirectly (ie, they don't get lagged by network or disk I/O from other sims on the server) from additional cores.

It's those low-prim furniture griefers.

That's the people who came up with the new flash home page.

We're doomed.

i don't think they will do SL as a whole more harm than anything LL themselves can cook up on short notice. especially since (judging by their twitter) they are too busy twittering to actually do anything.

You say that like it's a bad thing?