Nurien & Phyxs & The future of SL

Nurien Demo with Physx of Nvidia presentation:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MoQh4R1-Vjs


Awesome, and my question for all is, anyday Second Life will get Physx features?

About of Nvidia Physx:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/physx-by-nvidia-review/

Some features of Physx are:
* Explosions that cause dust and collateral debris
* Characters with complex, jointed geometries for more life-like motion and interaction
* Spectacular new weapons with incredible effects
* Cloth that drapes and tears the way you would expect it to
* Dense smoke & fog that billow around objects in motion

And the modes we can use our PCs at this days are:
* Standard - one GPU renders both Graphics + PhysX (not ideal as you'll need a lot of GPU horsepower).
* SLI mode - have two GPUs render both Graphics + PhysX.
* Multi-GPU mode - GPU1 renders Graphics and GPU2 renders PhysX.


It would be so good to have this Physx Nurien with Sl...

^^


So anyday maybe? ^^

Linden Lab have just taken two years upgrading from Havok 1 to Havok 4.

No idea about what havok is running Nuria Demo, but i readed in some web, that The sims 3 is gonna use Physx.

Ahhhh years we would to wait?

years to wait would we would

As of this moment I am saving up to buy whatever computer I need to run this when it gets to my part of the world.

Dynamic shadows in SL are on the cards (sort of) as can be seen from from several YouTube videos. You can even install some sort of patch that will give you shadows, but only for one type of graphics card, not the one I've got

This doesn't answer the original question but it shows the way things are going.

When the subject of shadows in SL came up on forums, usually someone replied tha it couldn't be done in SL because the graphics weren't up to it. But now it has been done and it looks really good. I can't wait!

Just need a phone call of Linden Lab to Nvidia

It would increase SL world in many diferent ways, having that animations, and that clothes moving perfectly around, just would do that good designers like animation creators would increase their quality work.

And it just would be an example, in a social world, our clothes and like animations are one of the big trees of.

So many folks just don't get it.

NO ONE else offers, or plans to offer a virtual world experience that embraces user generated content, a dynamic ever changing world, an open (so to speak) economy, open source content creation and scripting tools available to users, that runs on many platforms encompassing a wide variety of hardware, and doesn't install hundreds of megabytes (if not gigabytse) of data to your computer.

Physx apparently only runs on Nvidia graphics hardware. Probably high end and possibly a specific processor. Folks with less capable computers who can run SL, (albeit slowly and in low detail,) along with people running Linux, users of ATI, Intel, and low end Nvidia hardware, are going to be completly shut out of this.

Yeah, it might have taken SL two years to upgrade to Havok 4. But people complain every change LL makes. In the past two years, SL has upgraded their lighting and weather system, their database systems, their physics engine, added features to their building system, (flexi and sculpted prims) taken on an order of magnitude more users, generated God only knows how much more land, and all while catering to a nearly hostile user base and navigating the increasingly restrictive laws of countries all over the world.

How many of you are running on the same hardware? What changes have we seen in other virtual worlds?

Once their happy with the stability of the grid and databases, and gotten mono buttoned down, my guess is they'll turn their attention to the avatar mesh.

If I've gotten something wrong here, then please enlighten me. I'm not married to SL or LL, but I recognize a good thing, and something different when I see it. Everyone else are Johnny come lately wannabees, and yeah, someday, someone might get it right. But frankly, SL is a moving target.

I hope we'll hear from someone who really knows the viewer source (or equivalently, the sim/viewer comms). I'm thinking that it would be very tricky to get this to work for SL, with so much dependent on everyone perceiving more or less the same things. I guess certain "physical-esque" visual effects could be delegated to clients, as are flexis, particles, and non-physical llTargetOmega now. But the sim would still have to do the basic physics in order for everybody (and scripts) to see the same basic state of the world. So I'm not sure it could be as impressive an advance in tightly-networked massively-multiple environments like SL, at least in terms of performance.

And of course it only works on nVidia, and (apparently) only on Windows, and (it seems) only impressively with multiple graphics cards... so that's--what?--maybe 5% of the user base?

(And, frankly, I'd be happier if nVidia would spend its development effort on making more stable OpenGL drivers, especially for new hardware.)

The good of the Physx that dont need a high end card, just with a low one its ok
That is the good of Physx feature coming with Nvidia. Like at same time it helps to the CPU not having so much work to do, cause its done for the GPU for textures, and the another GPU for the physx.

I know that SL has increased a lot,and i love it, but when i saw that presentation video of Nvidia, i was just shocked,and the first thing i thought was, WoW with Second life as it would be...

I agree that, as an all-round virtual experience, nothing touches SL. None of the other virtual worlds I've seen (apart from the SL clones like Open Life) come anywhere near close and seem to have remained static.

I've seen demos of better graphics and animations but not in relation to fully functioning virtual worlds, apart from the SL dynamic shadows I mentioned earlier.

Yes None of the other virtual worlds touch SL

So hopefully any user or Linden, can answer about, if it features would need some years, maybe the moment to start, would be soon.

Would be totally awesome to have near real time physics.

I'm not going to hold ny breath for this though .. as posted above .. H1 - H4 !.

Though if Nvidia come up with an oxygen pill I might live long enough to see it.

P.S. 1 Pigs have flown.

P.S.2 See "Marine Boy" anime.

From Nvidia's Physx faq



The big three consoles have already jumped in, but otherwise it's still in the licensing and developing stage folks. And WON'T run on your current hardware--no matter WHAT you have.

Does look good tho. I'll give it that.

Any program or platform such as what is being discussed in this thread would have to be a from the ground up project. I really don't believe LL will even attempt to incorporate those features into SL........actually, I don't believe it would even be possible. LL has already established the foundation that SL is built upon and that foundation cannot support Physx with those specific features. As with all things dealing with advanced computer technology, sooner or later something else is going to come along that is better or more advanced. And if this new Physx technology takes off then LL will have to make an expensive decision........either stay with the present platform that they have invested 5 years and unannouced millions of dollars in and go for a different demographic than whatever the Physx developers go for. Or to develop a completely different platform than the present SL and jump into to fight for whatever demographic the competition is going for.

I doubt LL will change. I see them continuing as they have been since the very beginning and not going for the "game" audience. That just may be the best strategy too.......they are already way ahead of any potential competitor in the business demographic. And that is (and always has been) their target. They don't consider SL a game so they won't compete as a game.

But, if anything ever comes out using this new Physx that looks good I'll certainly go check it out. And probably stick with SL too.

Im running Phyxs in my 8800GTX with a beta driver that nvidia released the last week!

I got it from this thread here in guru3D web:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread....49#post2798649





Beta download
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Download: ( 49.3mb )
http://en.expreview.com/img/software...emSoftware.exe

ftp://219.150.150.96/phk/PhysX_8.07....emSoftware.rar (rar pass : bcp2mm )

http://www.toomanydownloads.com/inde...=163&Itemid=54

edit: thx MASTERTRICK for link
http://rapidshare.com/files/13498251...temSoftware.7z



Some images of Physx enabled of one user:


Nvidia Physx Panel Control too:





For 8000&9000&260 series of nvidia!

LOL...if Age of Empires III can support Physx, SL would can!!!

Nvidia released today the Phyxs pack!!!
http://www.nvidia.com/content/forcewithin/us/download.asp

Just FYI on Physx

oh thanks for that info about!

This is very interesting of your quote:

I'll come play at your house then.

Cool!

Just FYI, client-side Physics processing is unlikely to be implemented in SL, since the simulation is not run on the client. At best, the prediction and movement interpolation elements *MIGHT* see it used, but that is a relatively minor use, compared to the overall simulation.

Server-side simulation also will not benefit from it anytime soon, since server hardware rarely contains much more than an embedded simple 2D graphics accelerator, and dense server solutions (blades and pizza-boxes) don't have much in the way of add-in slots.

Party at Kaimi's!!
I'll bring pie



... (and bag of beef jerkey hidden in my jacket)

Oh good, we'll probably need that. Otherwise we'd be stepping out for Beef Breaks.

/me digs up an old blog transcript of a Cory THM.. http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/09/cory-lindens-town-hall-transcript/





Yep. And if they did decide to use PhysX on the server side, they'd have a bit of an issue getting it into the 5000+ servers already on the grid. Servers that today don't even have any real graphics hardware...

I don't really know much about this Physx but maybe there's something that could be done to improve the client side rendering, using the existing movement data coming from the sim as hints to PhysX...