You Are Bugging Me - Go Play Elsewhere

I go to sandboxes most days. Not actually achieved much yet - just playing around with prims - but it is fun.

I've been bothered by people at the sandbox I use (Sandbox Wanderton) on occasions, and I'm wondering if this is usual? On one occasion, a very large guy repeatedly came at me, bounced off, and kept coming back. No dialogue, just attack. I don't get it.

Just this morning, a woman ran around and over my construction whilst I was working on it. I challenged her in a friendly way, but got no response.

OK, I know that from one perspective, none of this is real so I shouldn't get upset. Also, I could just go to another sandbox. But it is annoying.

Is this usual? This is my third week in SL. Have I just been unlucky, or can I expect more of this?

You could, but would meet most likely the very same behaviour there.



That's kind of the point for those folks. Sorry to say that.

Welcome to why many people start renting land or going premium!

I heartily recommend avoiding Sandbox Island and it's extension, since the behavior there usually goes beyond silly into the realms of "maturity has nothing to do with age." I've been chased, bounced, hit and such by scripted objects to the point where crashing is the only way out.

Only thing I can *helpfully* suggest is that you find a nice group that has land they use as a sandbox. I also recommend classes from NCI in building, if you haven't already taken some. But if you insist on going to a Linden owned sandbox, I recommend the Mystitool. Some of it's features, such as platform rezzing, is a great benefit to the Linden Sandbox builder.

You can also AR some of the more annoying ones, especially if they are using scripted push items. Unfortunately, ARs take a really long time to process, if at all and you will never know the outcome. It sure doesn't make the Linden owned sandboxes any quieter.

Unfortunately moronic behaviour is part and parcel of the sandbox scene. I suggest flitting around several until you find a quiet one to work at, then landmark it. Also if you are UK based try the American sandboxes and vice versa. i.e. use time differences to your advantage as there maybe less peopl about. Eastern USA is -5 hrs. Western USA is
-9 hrs. GMT while Australia west coast say, is +8 hrs. GMT.

I used to go build in sandboxes a lot before... bach when we had like 5K simulatenous users.

Oh yeah , and less tards.

This! I never go anywhere without mine! You can buy the full version or get a freebie version with limited functionality here:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Blumfield/26/145/297

The freebie will allow you to go "non-physical" which will prevent people bumping you around, tell you who owns objects colliding with you as well as a flight assist and sky platform rezzer (as well as other useful stuff).

This is very good advice.
There are many good groups that have their own sandbox and they dont allow harassment of others on their sandboxes.

It's annoying, I know. I have private land but unless I return my house and garden, I still need to visit a sandbox for higher-prim builds.

You can minimise the nuisance but not eliminate it. Always sit on something while you build; that will negate being bumped and orbited. Working on a platform 100m or more up (if allowed) takes you out of range of the casual asshole. Switching off audio helps against distracting gestures, and disabling local lights is sometimes necessary (some people seem to love running round with a collection of flashing spinning lights). Judicious use of 'mute' and busy mode are helpful too.

None of this helps if someone wanders over your build, but that's an annoyance you can deal with. Sometimes people do it by mistake, or just because they're curious. Often they'll respond to a polite IM, sometimes you just have to deal with it.

The worst problem I've had is the moron who drops their build on top of yours; I've yet to find an answer other than moving, and if they're determined to bug you, they'll just do it again.

So - if I were to offer the use of a 4096 sq m (or larger) sky build platform, with a security system to keep any riff-raff at bay, on a daily rental basis. What would you be prepared to pay?

I've thought about doing this but other projects and distractions kept getting in the way.

Rime

Try Furnation's sandbox. They tend to be pretty quick to banhammer creeps.

Sadly, it is not uncommon to be harassed in sandboxes. On the plus side, you picked Wanderton: it and Newcomb tend to be a lot less trouble than Gougem and Cordova (let alone Sandbox Isand and its extension).

There are many others that tend to be quieter out on the grid, including many privately owned ones. I would suggest seeking those out. Also, at some time when you decide to own land, putting a workshop skybox somewhere in the air may be a good bet.

Kay. I was going to PM you but you have it turned off.

I've been building for many months in a sandbox and haven't been griefed or bothered.

Mostly I've been in the sandbox at Levels, which unfortunately is closing, but you can use it until then. If you need any help or info there, just IM me.

I've also built in others without a problem. I search for "sandbox" and start from the entries with the least traffic.

Also, if you want to build above the sandbox, you can just rez a box, sit on it, and change the Z position of the box to 300 or 500 or some unoccupied height. Then you rez a platform beneath you and stand up off the box so you fall to your platform. (Then delete the box you rode up on.)

If you use some of the automatic building platform tools, you can end up with your platform jutting into someone else's build. If you sit on a box, you check check out what's happening at different heights before you throw down your platform.
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Doesn't the Cartel have a sandbox area?

I've had the best luck with sandboxes run by furries and sandboxes marked "adult". I occasionally use a sandbox to teach someone how to build stuff. Also, I second the notion of using NCI. They are an awesome group.

There are public sandboxes that are staffed with volunteers who can ban/eject griefers. Mauve and ABC Island are good ones. However, if you choose to build in a public sandbox, chatting about your build with curious bystanders is part of the experience. It's a bit unreasonable IMO to object to people touring your build in that situation. As an earlier poster said, if you are building something that will fit on a platform, use one of the free scripts (like the free Workspace Buster) and set it for 500 meters. You won't get anyone bothering you up there.

That idea was tossed around, but I don't know whatever became of it. It's a good one, I think.

I agree with what others said, but one thing to consider is that sandboxes are often full of new members without a lot of experience yet. When I was new, people often ran into me and pushed me around, which I took personally at first. Later I accidentally did the same thing to someone else, and realized that it was more likely that I hadn't fully rezzed for them yet and they didn't know I was there. They were just walking and I was in the way.

This isn't true for many cases in sandboxes because griefers love those places, but sometimes it's just an accident.

Dropping a 10m cube on them and off edit stops a sandbox griefer--they need to tp out since their pixels are fused with the solid cube :}

Search -> Places. Enter sandbox as search term. Scroll down the list, click More, repeat until you get to the end. I've found a few quiet sandboxes that way, with traffic counts inthe single digits.

Any griefer who can't get out of a cage doesn't deserve the name.

If I go to so some serious work at a sandbox I put up a platform in the sky, at a good height - you can go up to 4096 metres - I usually choose 3100 metres!

To get up there, I've made myself a small platform, a 10m diameter disc with a small cylinder prim in the middle to sit on - linked as a single object. I rez this on the ground at a sandbox, sit on it, the select it to edit, then in the object tab, I reset the Z co-ordinate to 3100 metres and enter. Then I'm sitting on the platform at 3100m. Then I can stand up and rez a bigger pre-built platform on the disc. As long as you've got something up in the sky you can rez something else on top of it.

I never get any bother up at that sort of height. Only if someone fills the sandbox with griefing objects, bringing it to a grinding halt, or the auto clearance comes along, do I get problems.

Welcome to SL! I'm so sorry you ran into the jerks so soon. As someone else mentioned (probably Raudf ) find a sandbox affiliated with a school or business. I've never had any problems with this type, even at ground level.

The ones I use regularly are the RUC sandbox, I.C.E. (I'm sorry I'm not in world now and can't recall what the initials stand for but both are schools. Please feel free to send an IM to me in world and I can take you to them. Also Skidz Primz has a nice sandbox. (That one you can look up under that name. Once you land there are arrows to point you to the sandbox.




I HEARTILY recommend the Mystitool's platform rezzing feature I use it in any sandbox just because I like peace and quiet to build. I rez my platform, hop in the little round circle with seats, set the height and size of the platform then speed up to that level. Once there, I set walls so to the outsider it looks like a black box. I've never had any trouble doing that.

I searched the back of the list for quiet sandboxes and have a whole bunch. Many of them are in the educational portion of SL and one requires group membership.

Eternal Creations (You need to join the Eternal Creations group. This is a Christian as in Evangelical sim.)

Berkman (This is Harvard University's law school and lawyers run a tight ship.)

SJSU (This one is run by the library school at San Jose State University. Librarians do not keep their sandboxes as clean as lawyers do.)

Campus in 3D (Run by a university in Germany)

University of Delaware has a sandbox on their island and it's public and quiet.

Wonderful Denmark has a great sandbox.

Zandbank is a Dutch sandbox that is also quiet.

Kennesaw State University has a sandbox on one of their islands.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond to my posting. It's much appreciated. The advice I'd offer myself would be to lighten up about griefers. But I've never taken my advice before, and I don't think I'm likely to now


Raudf Fox
What is NCI? I could do with some lessons in building, so this might be helpful. Also, what is AR? Sorry, I'm new to all this.



Fox Marchant
Use of time difference is a good idea. I like that - but how do I tell which are the American sandboxes? Are they those attached to American educational establishments?



Ee Maculate
I followed the link to the MystiTool HUD. Looks good, but I don't have the money at the moment.



Kelli May
Yes, a Sky Platform is a good idea. I'll give that a try.



Rime Wirsing
To be honest, I don't want to have to pay anything in order to deal with annoyances of this sort. Hopefully, such will be few and far between. But I certainly don't want to be driven to spending because of it.



Argent Stonecutter
Furnation's sandbox is added to the list. Thanks for the suggestion.



Marianne McCann
OK, I'll avoid Gougem and Cordova. I do like Wanderton because of its size. Some sandboxes I've visited have been a bit small. I'd love to own some land of my own, but that will have to wait for some time.



Seven Okelli
Oh boy, that rings a bell. I used an automatic sky platform at a very small sandbox, and had just that problem: ended up jutting into someone else's platform - it might even have been their home. Most embarrassing.



Wendy Foxchase
How do I find sandboxes run by furries, and will they let humans use them? Also, again, what is NCI? Sounds like it could be useful, but I don't know what it is.



Galena Qi
I take your point about curious bystanders. Actually, I don't think I'd mind that - I might even ask for advice if it happened. But that wasn't what the woman I mentioned was doing. She didn't appear to be a bystander interested in what I was doing - she was someone being annoying by running around and on top of what I was trying to build. I have the Workspace Buster. Love it. But it doesn't work at Wanderton due to scripting restrictions (I think).



Paladin Pinion
Yes, I take your point about accidents. All I can say is that the two events I mentioned didn't strike me as accidents - certainly not the big guy running at me time after time.



Rhein Xaris
Dropping a 10m cube - love it!



Ty Gabe
I will try a more rigourous search. So far, I have just been picking at random.



Conifer Dada
A sky platform does seem to be a good answer to the problem. Tell me, if one loses something at high altitudes, does it get returned in the same way as objects left on the ground?



Czari Zenovka
Thanks - I'll take a look at RUC sandbox and I.C.E. I like the idea of the Mystitool, but don't really have Lindens for that sort of thing



Iyoba Tarantal
Many thanks for the list. I know where I'll be going tomorrow!