Estate owners who Rent to others, what will your policy be for Verification?

Pompeii and Herculaneum were there way before the camera, theres probably pre-historic cave painting porn thats been lost in the mists of time

Must be, considering the Neanderthals I seem to keep winding up with.

I told you, the sloping forehead was the result of a slider mishap. I'll fix it ASAP.

you haven't seen my book

(I like that fine period art, btw)

But yeah... the quality hurdle is high... some of us can surmount it too But the fact is, they don't differentiate between fine art, erotica, or porn... they merely say explicit content. Well... there's quite a bit of art I have collected, engravings, paintings, etc ... that certainly fits the description, and is still within theme.

I'll be sticking to the same...

I will however, rewrite the covenant to reflect that it is up to the residents of the estate to conform to the TOS.

That being said, I have to fix my Sploder.

No, no, no.

The sim rating is very relevant. And if I recall correctly, we get do indeed get three: PG sims, Mature Sims/non-adult parcel, Mature Sims/adult parcel.

There is a huge area between PG and adult, starting with PG-13 (in the case of movie ratings). To even suggest that something that can't be considered PG should be restricted to verified adults is exactly the sort of misunderstanding and overreaction that causes people to panic over these rules.

Actually this isnt so clear.

From whats been said by Dan L and in clarifications by Robin L:

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There will be an adult flag
(this could be the Mature flag thats there now - its debateable)

PG content is always allowed.

On Mature sims there will be some content thats NOT explicit enough to require being flagged, but doesnt count as PG. This however has not been called "Mature Content"

Adult content is content of Explicit sexual or violent nature.

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People will be required to self flag their content within the guidelines. If they violate this to where its unmanagable - Verification will be required.

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Those who do not verify will be allowed on Mature parceles but not flagged parcels.

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till now this all agrees with the post I quoted - basically -

Now the wrinkles:

Wrinkle 1: (short term)

IF you do not have the Mature flag toggled, but are listed on "PLACES" you are REQUIRED to be PG. This is required by the "Places" search rules.

So if there if only ONE flag availble - there will be only 2 content levels on those parcels PG and Adult.

Wrinkle 2: (long term)

Dan L has stated publicly that the Teen Grid WILL become merged with the Adult grid at some point.

At which point ALL content will revert to two levels. Safe for Ages 14+ (basically PG) , And 18+ required to view.

I'm curious as to what content is sexual but not explicit?

And now won't all combat parcels have to be restricted, since it's violent?

Art should mostly fall into that category. Poseballs maybe, their sexual but only when used for that purpose, selling them shouldn't mean you need to be restricted but others might disagree.

Me too. I don't pry into my tenant's activities. If it was a business, then maybe it would be a concern but not for residential.

My estate owner (12 sims and growing rapidly) is taking the same approach.

Unless it happens to be RL images that would fall under an obscenity guideline, there is no realistic way that that cartoons (and we are all really cartoons in SL) are "sexually explicit". If we have reached a world where I can draw mounds and color them flesh color and it requires a background investigation to view them........ it is time to move on to other online pass times.

Then I guess I won't be going to your land. I can look at pron all day on the internet and certainly don't need to do so on SL, but if I want to look at cartoon bewbs, who cares? Maybe the jesus police care, but I don't.

I hear you, but in all honestly I do not think that LL is thinking the same way. I would be absolutely shocked if LL took the view that the only thing covered by "sexually explicit" are RL images. That's really not the point, because there aren't *all* that many of these images around. The point is other sexually explicit activity involving avatars -- poseballs, sex beds, sex furniture, strip clubs, etc. That's where this is aimed, and so I *do* think that if you have a parcel that is full of poseballs, you're going to have to restrict *or* take the liability risk of having a complaint against you from an irate parent (or being terminated by LL due to a complaint made by that kind of person to LL relating to your land).

Personally i think that age verification is the Linden's mess and we shouldnt let them shove it off onto us. If no one flags, tags, spindles, or designates any thing at all, just ignores the whole thing entirely, then it will be up to the Lindens, as it should be. Age verification should not be encouraged, participated in, aided, enabled in any way. Its not like LL will be out there patrolling, this like the casino ban is all based on getting us to rat out each other. Lol, just say no. BTW, on a side note, giving your personal info to LL and the third party company prolly not so bright. LL has already been caught in conflicting statements about the data being retained or not. LL has already been hacked once and lost CC info. Giving your ID out on the internet seems unwise, unnecessary and intrusive. This part of the game is best not played at all.

Well, I spoke to the owner of a set of BDSM sims about what they plan to actually do. Very interesting. They were much calmer than most here ... they are assuming that most of their clientele will not verify. They are splitting their play areas into two or more, along the lines that those that have explicit animations that are violent or sexual need to be restricted. However, positioning furniture that is used without anim, to display or stimulate IM, will not be restricted, and will be placed in appropriately themed Mature areas. If an AV opts to use their own anims, that is their own lookout, not the responsibility of the sim provider.

This person pointed out that most of their visitors do not use the anims anyway when they get beyond a certain age in SL. Older AVs mostly seem to use BDSM SIMs to find others of similar interests, and either go elsewhere or stay in IM (or skype or whatever). S/he believes traffic will remain robust with this approach.

For their residential property (also BDSM themed, and now Mature), they plan to do precisely nothing. This person was quite confident that risque pose balls are the responsibility of the person putting them on the land. Complainants will be referred directly to the resident who put the "offensive" items on the land. However, s/he does not anticipate many complaints.

This person pointed out that people on PG lands who cam into Mature lands (which the Lindens place adjacent to each other on a regular basis) have no base for complaint now. S/he seemed very confident that the Lindens do not intend for SL to become Disneyland, and believes that they have no intent of chasing after every irate parent's whine. S/he felt that the Lindens are not willing to see this issue go the way of the casinos.

Civil Disobedience in this case is a fine sentiment, and pretty much what I'd do. however, there will be people who will take it upon themselves to be Moral Guardians, and will go snooping on private land with their cameras and notebooks ready. I personally would be willing to risk it as I have nothing substantial invested, but a lot of people do, and aren't willing to risk it. And I don't blame them.

Open source should eventually solve this whole verifcation problem, wont it?

Non-verifed people who want to do Adult rated things will choose to live on non-LL servers.

LL will see how popular their Verified policy is pretty quickly.

It could, but the people hosting the servers would, theoretically, have the same concern as LL does now, albeit on a much smaller scale.

But it may be manageable as they could possibly only worry about complying with their local laws, enter at your own risk.

Yes, but if it is open to everyone, then you have the same issue again. It's unlikely that a small time server operator would be the target of significant law enforcement activity, but you never know. The "enter at your own risk" defense doesn't really work when it comes to the issue of corruption of a minor, really -- that's the problem LL is facing itself now. So while in practice I think that a private server has less practical risk because it is less visible than LL, it still has some theoretical risk for the operator. That probably would not impact the willingness of people to host private LL servers, since many people who do such things with respect to other online platforms don't seem to be particularly risk averse in general.

But a private server may have less to protect. Most Adult sites get by with the "I am over 18" checkbox. Why it won't suffice for Linden, I don't know, maybe it still leaves them vulnerable from a business standpoint. It just seems to me that sites with material far more graphic and disturbing than any cartoon images SL could ever generate, seem to cover themselves far less obtrusively.

Please stop blaming any religious groups - especially Christians - for this as you have no proof. As a Christian myself I find this inaccurate and blasphemous attitude very annoying.

Yes that's very true. I also find it perplexing as to why the check the box standard which is seemingly accepted for internet pr0n is not good enough for LL. My guess is that it has something to do with the recent history and run-ins with respect to ageplay and gambling, at least in part. There could have been offline conversations between LL and law enforcement where certain measures were "encouraged", for example. Add to that the fact that many people will view SL as a "game" (including many of folks who post here), and that therefore it is inherently going to attract kids, who seem to be disproportinately involved in gaming. Add to that the existence of the teen grid, which in itself serves to attract kids to SL -- law enforcement could view that as an enticement to underage users to the grid, and then if the grid itself isn't adequately secured, it raises issues. Add to that the publicity SL has gotten, which has increased the profile of the platform, etc.

I think when you add all these things up, it's quite possible that LL is taking this approach because of offline discussions with law enforcement, given the particularities of SL. Now that doesn't necessarily make a whole lot of sense, given how easy it is for kids to access all kind of adult material on the open internet, but just some speculations about why law enforcement might view SL a bit differently from the garden variety pr0n site.

No it makes sense in a way, when you factor in Lawyers, Politicians, Beaureaucrats, and Lindens, all which are not paramounts of luid thought at times. So I can understand the reasoing to a point, I just wish it would be communicated more sincerly, instead of the bullshit about garnering trust, bla, bla, bla.