Estate owners who Rent to others, what will your policy be for Verification?

I'm curious to hear what people's plans are once this rolls out. Will you be requiring residents to flag restricted, leave the decision to them, or leave the issue un-addressed. How will you handle commercial spaces? What will your rules be? Enquiring minds want to know!

There's no reason to do anything different - absolutely nothing has changed. Age verification is simply an option, if a person doesn't have a credit card, to remove the "no payment info" tag.

This whole issue is being blown completely out of proportion.

As the landowner, I assume you would need to check the parcels are being flagged correctly or you could be responsible for it. Mall owners will need to decide whether they want to be classed 'adult' and rent out accordingly.

As a landowner, I will be making no changes in how I mark the parcel, unless requested by the tenant.

as far as i am concered the tenant has full control and responsibiliy of their parcel, and I respect their privacy, as long as the TOS and other "policies" are not violated.

bottom line, im leaving the issue unaddressed.

If by "mall", you mean places selling products, then the only thing I could possibly imagine requiring an adult flag would be a place selling pictures of RL pornography.

I don't consider selling adult poseballs, or furniture containing the same, to require the adult flag, on the grounds that minors are permitted into R rated movies, which are allowed to show simulated sex that's roughly equivalent. Likewise for places selling body parts.

I doubt there are all that many people who only use their home for themselves and never have visitors so that will end up complicating things. Your tenant may have no issue verifying, but if they know a good amount of people who won't verify they won't want a rental where most of their friends can't come to visit.

Age verification will replace the current NPI, PIOF and PIU so it applies to everyone, not just the current "unverifieds".

If you have payment info registered and don't verify, you'll be "banned" from anything age restricted.

Part of that is due to LL's phrasing: "All content creators and businesses are morally and legally responsible for their activities. *snip* The burden of responsibility lies with the parcel and estate owner for the content displayed and activities offered on their land. The identity verification system provides those owners with the means to protect themselves, their customers and visitors."

LL doesn't know and doesn't care if you lease your land to someone else. If you're the estate owner, it's your name that will get subpoenaed in case something does go to court and only then will you have a chance to - hopefully - pass responsability off on to your tenant.

We don't get three ratings options all of a sudden, we're still stuck with the two we have: PG and mature.

If the parcel can't qualify as PG (sim rating is irrelevant) then it should be adult restricted.

couldn`t give a crap about the verification, my island stayes unverified, if a couple is having sex in their own house and i get sued, i`ll get back to them for being breaking the TOS, double (estate and land) tresspassing and what ever u call it with sneaking into private homes and watching

if that is the intention for verification, they might aswell make it manditory heh

I got verified because I want to able to enter into business contracts in SL and it does add a level of trust in that way.

As SL matures, I think that business might go beyond land renting or malls to collaborations that span SL and RL..so during negotiations, being verified just speeds things a long a bit in the pre lim discussions.

In terms of my land, I try to keep them beautiful and public anyway since it is the goal of the Serenade group to do that so it won't factor in renting or access for me.

My landlord is a very reputable, hands off person, and I imagine he will leave it up to us. I am not flagging anything on my parcel, it's no ones's concern what I have or what I do there.

I'm very lucky in this regard, due to the nature of Caledon - there's not much I need to worry about.

I honestly don't think I'll be facing civil or criminal charges because two people made their cartoon characters do the 'naughty.'

Worst case, it might earn us the #6 slot on David Letterman's "Top ten things internet geeks do that normal people don't."

As for the erotic bookstore or two - pish tosh! When the mainland resembles Teletubby Land and Thomas the Tank Engine rolls on the Second Life Railroad, I'll consider worrying about them.

A smut peddler in Caledon faces a terrible hurdle - to be in theme, they would pretty much be stuck with dealing in fine period art.

There would probably be more nakie statue boobies on the portico of the Euro court I'd be charged in, than in the case brought against me. And if there are naked cherubs on *any* of their public buildings, I'll countersue with the same gravitas. Ageplaaaaay! Teh horror!



I hope that puts things in perspective.



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So I'm not expecting any parcels marked adult, myself - things are much as they were before, and I don't expect any problems.

It's one of the least significant issues we have ever had to deal with.



I do, however, sympathise for those people who are affected. Vote, and write to your public representatives to get rid of the silly, repressive laws that make all this necessary.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. My main concern is what tenants do on the land. I think Kitty spelled it out pretty well. While some may not think poseballs represent adult, many do. And I am concerned it would take no more than one person wandering around to AR such a thing to cause huge problems.

That being said, my current policy for my Estates will be to leave it up to the parcel resident. I hope as things progress, that will be sufficient.

I won't be changing a thing. I will leave it up to tenants. I'm not verifying myself at the moment so I may not be able to enter some parcels but as long as I can manage them from an adjacent parcel I foresee no issues there.

I rent out a mature mainland sim. I won't flag it until they give me a warning. There is nothing on my land that merits it right now, and if my renters want to rez mature stuff, it's fine by me and I won't ask them to even tell me about it.

Until the ARs come rolling in, the rolling on poseballs is welcome in Liome.

Most of my tenants are heavily involved in adult RP, and I will be leaving it up to them. I expect some will welcome that freedom as a form of privacy, since I don't let them put up banlines now. =)

I also run a kink and fetish mall that shares a parcel with an adult playground. I'm toying with the idea of splitting parcels and making the playground Mature, but I'm still on the fence at the moment.

hehe how about 19th century vintage Pr0n.


LOL not that that is any racier than People magazine today ..

You'd be surprised! As soon as the camera was invented, pron arrived!

shhh your crazy the internets invented Pr0n.

Pron was invented _long_ before photos.

Personally, I think that paintings of naked people are much more erotic than most photos. Hmmm, I wonder what that says about my mentality?

And ten year old prostitutes. It's Paedogeddon.

Perhaps the genteel Victorian citizens of Caledon refrain from ever doing anything more in those sims than kiss and hug. Perhaps, but I doubt it. For most of the grid, I think that almost every sim where people live or sell stuff will end up restricted.

Mall owner? Can you be CERTAIN that none of the vendors in your mall are selling x-rated animations? Or 'clothing' to simulate certain bodily fluid splatters? Or scripted collars or cuffs? Or anything else that someone might consider "sexually explicit" or "Extremely violent"? Are you willing to risk your account and your business on that? If not, you'll either have to ban any sort of adult sales at all, or restrict your mall. Do you really want to run your business only on PG land?

Residential sim owner or landlord? Do you really believe that *no one* in your sim or on your land owns or uses *any* sexually explicit pose balls, or furnishings that can rez them, or erotic art? In what is supposed to be an adults-only game? Are you willing to risk your account and your business on that? If not, you'll either have to ban any sort of adult activities at all, making the entire area PG-only, or restrict your land / sim. Can you stay in business offering only PG land?

LL has made it very clear that *anything* sexually explicit has to be restricted. They don't offer any exceptions for the person who only dusts off their sexgen bed once a month for a date with a special friend. If it's there, it's got to be restricted. And in most of the grid, it's definitely there.

The land I own will get restricted, even though I may only get around to doing anything 'sexually explicit' once a month or so. Simply because I know others in my household who *will* do sexy things on my land who are far more active than I am. It simply isn't worth it to me to risk losing my account for the sake of someone who can't/won't provide proof that they are over 18, when this is supposed to be an all over-18 environment.

That's precisely the point, Ceera. Agreed.

No, but I am willing to risk getting a warning. Won't flag until I get one.

Yes, that's pretty much what I expect as well. Of course, this means that the "voluntary" crap about this program is precisely that: crap. Unless, of course, you want to visit only PG sims, you're going to need to be verified, full stop.

With respect, I think it is possible that we are overreacting here re: residential property that has casual poseballs, beds etc. in resident's private property.

I think that sex playgrounds and businesses that sell sex toys must all be restricted. But I think that LL will implement this much differently than they have the gambling ban. I doubt they will sweep businesses away without warning, and I doubt that they will look kindly on vigilante ARing of any landowner who has a pose ball on their property.

I think we will very soon see (if it ithey aren't available already) upgrades for all such toys that allow you to restrict their usage to one or more groups, and very likely to classes of users (e.g. verified) instead of just the owner. And I would bet you anything that LL implements this to mimic real life ... if a sex animation is used behind a wall that requires camera panning to see through, it will be tolerated. Just my personal bet.

If I rented property, I would not flag it restricted immediately. I would recommend guidelines to my tenants, and wait and see.

I think thats going to be my process, talking to the tenants as they rent to see what they would like. I wont risk my account so a non verified can have sex on rented land, but how am I going to police this 24/7 anyway? I dont know about anyone else, but I DO have a RL that keeps me pretty busy, busier when school starts next week. If I am offline and a tenant, or shoot, one of their friends, drops a pose ball and starts humping like bunnies and gets reported, who is in trouble...me, or them?

Its a slippery slope and I think a lot of people are going to end up with warnings or even suspended without warrent. I'm rather afraid of whats going to come next, but it is pushing me closer to selling off all my mainland rentals now that I'm done selling my sims.