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Next useless piece of scripting against copybot???

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08-22-2009 11:34
From: Talarus Luan
Real copy protection protects copying. :p


Real copying protects protection !
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08-23-2009 09:32
From: Talarus Luan
Real copy protection protects copying. :p


If that is the definition of "Real" copy protection. Then real copy protection does not exist. Not just in SL, but throughout the technology field.

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08-23-2009 09:58
Tal, I think you were too subtle for Dante.

Dante, he said "protects" not "prevents".
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08-23-2009 10:09
From: Argent Stonecutter
Tal, I think you were too subtle for Dante.

Dante, he said "protects" not "prevents".


I read it as "Real copy protection protects (against) copying." Assuming the word against was implied.

Oh well.
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08-23-2009 10:55
The :p should have been a dead giveaway.

Real copy protection protects the act/right to copy (where legal and prudent).

Just like real gun control is about hitting the target. :D
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08-23-2009 11:28
From: Argent Stonecutter
Tal, I think you were too subtle for Dante.

Dante, he said "protects" not "prevents".


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08-27-2009 15:54
From: Benski Trenkins
Is this the new stupidity in SL??

My gf has this skirt from a designer I will not mention.
She rezzed it inworld and this text appeared.
(Identification is removed to protect privacy)
When she wears this skirt, her avatar shows a 0.951 scripting time
Without this skirt it is 0.290

When o when do creators stop putting these useless pieces of scripts in their stuff???

Ow the response of the creator:

"Every big creator out there uses this script"

Are they serious?

omg



lol funny but stupid laught i think the designer don't really know
1. no copybot cann copyscripts and 2. laught if anyone makes a copy of it.

Then he look on the avatar and hear click the export button with out all scripts goes that then to a xml file and that could the person then import laught and there would be any scripts then in.

If the creator is known then he has to contact me laught i have a real system which work and now also check the sim of known copyboters and eject them from the sim.

And if the community not ever would sleep or talk talk talk laught then we would have a sim network which all together have one blacklist like a virus definder and which would clean the real copyboter and don't same the other people full with laggy scripts or other stuff lol. Also for the identifing of real copyboters has my system a solution and if now again some one came with tornado example why nothing work without Linden then please hide your name or you will see a crasy cat which takes your haed and bounce it on the wood . Perhaps that work lol.

For all linden says 2006 self that we all of us have find a solution for that beacuse it's a citizen problem and not a Linden problem . Linden don't ban they and if they do something they make a deal 5000l$ or a ban laught very nice sounds for me you could steal all you want if they catch you or need money lol they make a deal with you laught.

The Blacklist system isn't the 100% solution but it's the first powerful weapon which really would work and stop that bad boom but also only if people importend Sim and shop and land owner join it and all other are ever welcome let us strike back together on one way which make sence and work and i guess after that global network solution from me which would work fi the sl communty would use it, then also stupid designer like that people would change there systems bacuse currently i have create also for that social network a radar which calls you which people have waer or rezz stuff where they are creatoer and owner and sorry if they would have then the hear from the designer hey where would then the question on the blacklist with that quys and bye bye from our sims. And if a really nice guy lands on the blacklist no problem one click in the database and he have again all sim access. My system is a global sl wide solution and the only one which would work and really would change and where real copyboter would really have respect if we would all together create that.
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1705332&ItemLocale=1

Its only a hint i know of the word of a creatore no one hear but hey for land and sim owner it's a try of only 150 l$ and you will have two tools which would do the best for you to change our life to a copyboter safer life that we see they and that we gloabl ban they life and hey you don't must much do as land , sim or shop owner only place it on your land finish. That would your job be. for us other we find them and hunt them if we won't it could be also a nice new roleplay game be lol catch the copyboters lol the tools to find they out has my system and they work. so let us also play but on this way with the copyboters .;-)

Have fun zero
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08-27-2009 15:58
Gawd, I can't believe it. An actual ad for a worthless tool.
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08-27-2009 16:47
From: Argent Stonecutter
Gawd, I can't believe it. An actual ad for a worthless tool.


I did like the one review.. they put the creator in the list of being blacklisted.. ;P
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08-27-2009 16:49
From: Zerocool Galicia
lol funny but stupid laught i think the designer don't really know
1. no copybot cann copyscripts and 2. laught if anyone makes a copy of it.

Then he look on the avatar and hear click the export button with out all scripts goes that then to a xml file and that could the person then import laught and there would be any scripts then in.

If the creator is known then he has to contact me laught i have a real system which work and now also check the sim of known copyboters and eject them from the sim.

And if the community not ever would sleep or talk talk talk laught then we would have a sim network which all together have one blacklist like a virus definder and which would clean the real copyboter and don't same the other people full with laggy scripts or other stuff lol. Also for the identifing of real copyboters has my system a solution and if now again some one came with tornado example why nothing work without Linden then please hide your name or you will see a crasy cat which takes your haed and bounce it on the wood . Perhaps that work lol.

For all linden says 2006 self that we all of us have find a solution for that beacuse it's a citizen problem and not a Linden problem . Linden don't ban they and if they do something they make a deal 5000l$ or a ban laught very nice sounds for me you could steal all you want if they catch you or need money lol they make a deal with you laught.

The Blacklist system isn't the 100% solution but it's the first powerful weapon which really would work and stop that bad boom but also only if people importend Sim and shop and land owner join it and all other are ever welcome let us strike back together on one way which make sence and work and i guess after that global network solution from me which would work fi the sl communty would use it, then also stupid designer like that people would change there systems bacuse currently i have create also for that social network a radar which calls you which people have waer or rezz stuff where they are creatoer and owner and sorry if they would have then the hear from the designer hey where would then the question on the blacklist with that quys and bye bye from our sims. And if a really nice guy lands on the blacklist no problem one click in the database and he have again all sim access. My system is a global sl wide solution and the only one which would work and really would change and where real copyboter would really have respect if we would all together create that.
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1705332&ItemLocale=1

Its only a hint i know of the word of a creatore no one hear but hey for land and sim owner it's a try of only 150 l$ and you will have two tools which would do the best for you to change our life to a copyboter safer life that we see they and that we gloabl ban they life and hey you don't must much do as land , sim or shop owner only place it on your land finish. That would your job be. for us other we find them and hunt them if we won't it could be also a nice new roleplay game be lol catch the copyboters lol the tools to find they out has my system and they work. so let us also play but on this way with the copyboters .;-)

Have fun zero


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08-27-2009 19:05
*scratches her head as she tries in vain to read it*

Nope, wasted on me. I hope English, in either the American, Australian, British or Canadian form, is not his first language.

Edits to add: Wow, running copybot in Xstreet has told me that people are apparently already ripping Zerocool's idea!

Not to mention that both of these are useless wastes of script time.
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08-28-2009 00:32
From: Raudf Fox
I hope English, in either the American, Australian, British or Canadian form, is not his first language.
German, I think, since there's also a German version of the text on xstreet.
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08-28-2009 02:52
From: Argent Stonecutter
Gawd, I can't believe it. An actual ad for a worthless tool.


your statement is more as worthless but it's often here . Only talk talk talk nothing doing but down making that could you and other. Respect that's really worthless and also the reason why copyboter feel they so free and safe.
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08-28-2009 03:23
From: Zerocool Galicia
your statement is more as worthless but it's often here . Only talk talk talk nothing doing but down making that could you and other. Respect that's really worthless and also the reason why copyboter feel they so free and safe.
It's impossible, even in principle, to know who is using a copying tool. It is improbable that a copybotter would use the same account to copy the product as to sell it. It is extremely likely that both are throwaway alts. Therefore the "social network" database you're creating won't contain many actual copybotters, but rather simply be a list of shoppers who prefer to shop by camming rather than walking around. Shopkeepers who use it will simply be driving away legitimate customers and getting a reputation for being officious fools, much as the shopkeepers who use any other anti-copybot scripts do.
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08-28-2009 03:26
From: Innula Zenovka
German, I think, since there's also a German version of the text on xstreet.



that is not anything like the german language that i grew up with.
Zerocool Galicia
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08-28-2009 03:29
From: Raudf Fox
*scratches her head as she tries in vain to read it*

Nope, wasted on me. I hope English, in either the American, Australian, British or Canadian form, is not his first language.

Edits to add: Wow, running copybot in Xstreet has told me that people are apparently already ripping Zerocool's idea!

Not to mention that both of these are useless wastes of script time.



Some code parts perhaps,i have seen that they don't make sence but that's often if you create scripts but the full system isn't waste of script time.

If anyone copy it sure make it. Lol perhaps they don't ever bang on the wall with the head and get ever down making statements, which never help only really wastes of time.

Thx, you all are so great.
Sorry, but i can understand that stupid guy made that scripts in there stuff. It don't helps and is really spam but hey with that communty i guess now with the time,you couldn't do other they only talk talk talk and make thinks down. Respect and they call them self designer and creator of sl stuff,laught. Wow i can now with the time really understand why Linden Labs nothing do against copybots and has say self 2006 that the citizen has to do it together. Because hey the community is the best bottle lag which linden search and which copyboter search. They only talk all the days about make promotion for that bullshit copybots and what have every one from they self change????????????????????

I say it to you, NOTHING!!!! Only down make that could you all great.

In real you are the stupid guys only so for the hint.

Done making could very one also a 2 years old child lol but changing and work on real solution which helps us all that could here only a hand of people and that people make you done.


I have NO really not statement in all that post seen which make copybots down or the idea of that laught . So hey we haven't a problem. Every one likes the ripper and the copybots that's your all frinds . Let kill all our stuff which would stop that ... and let all copybot stuff. Linden Lab do also nothing against. So why not let's do lol.


Only as a hint now every shop every person which not a newbie is is botted every day from copyboters.

If we stop solution against it, sure could we make but then was the new look and feel for example from xstreet laught also much waste of time. Because hey who buy then stuff or sell it?????????

No one all Secondlife is then a freebie world but why not wouldn't be my problem.

Also nice and for me as scripter laught is all that also no problem my stuff will be also longer not a botted stuff laught.

So you are right why make i me a brain , isn't my fight against it.

I have other then you all make me a brain and search for solution which work and don't spam to much. I find it and it works but i have made one really big mistake . I see you all as the biggest part of it but that's also the point you would be the biggest part of it , because only a social network solution would work and would really help .

For example every one use a virus detector in realy life on this why every one helps that the creator of that programes also ever uptodate and could stop the attacks on all out pcs.

My system is nothing other then this. It works in realy life greate and here laught really you guys are so funny here you make it done that system which safe very day your as on your pc .:-P


Here in sl you all go in without a virus definder or detector and laught you think with talking really with talking about it you would change something ???

Laught all what you do is changing my mode the aggressive and that's really a big deal lol.

make what you want but don't make systems or stuff done if you don't have a better solution which also work laught and not only a written text is because i know that could you all great.
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08-28-2009 03:55
From: Argent Stonecutter
It's impossible, even in principle, to know who is using a copying tool. It is improbable that a copybotter would use the same account to copy the product as to sell it. It is extremely likely that both are throwaway alts. Therefore the "social network" database you're creating won't contain many actual copybotters, but rather simply be a list of shoppers who prefer to shop by camming rather than walking around. Shopkeepers who use it will simply be driving away legitimate customers and getting a reputation for being officious fools, much as the shopkeepers who use any other anti-copybot scripts do.


Oh damm,

that what i mean ever talk talk talk but you don't know what is possible!!!

You see systems like mark V or that 10 sec away an bye bye you are soltution ok.
Hey i have much respect for the creator of this stuff they also have won't change something ok mark V not i guess the creatore have only want money but laught also that could i know understand by that community lol.

Hey sorry but if i create something then i create it that it really work and not fake or spam people or ban peopel which really only on a shopping tour are.

Sorry what i say you are not uptodate, there are 100% identifer for copybot action and no one which with that identifer action will catch is a shopping tour customer or he is but he or she want it for free and i guess hat customer did you need or do you?


Make it down if you test it if the communty has test it together all and if it then not work or to much spam. Ok for the last part i can also change it to low spam that the most only the database then know. Much of that is also currently run in the database and not to the users. So only a hint you have only to wear it and it will find copyboters and send they to the database and for that where the system isn't sure ask it you as tool owner if it could be. This People also don't land direkt on the blacklist only if the are often in a second database table and it really seems that they are but hey that part is only a part to catch also more then the system from themself could catch.

I made me a brain and i known also now all solution against it, all copybot viewer, all identifer, all possibillities to catch they with lsl scripts i know all that stuff and i also know that i would also more possiblities in a viewer self but hey it's crasy but lsl is enought to catch 90% off all copyboters, it will takes time like all systems but it would change it to that rate.

About that alt copybot solution

from 115 copyboters

only 15 have use a alt and also they new alt are on the blacklist.


Also a example what Linden do against it laught nothing the 15 delete themself.

They are really creativ laught same first name other secondname.

This guys were catch from 9 people which wear that system and 5 sims send since 3-4 weeks that guys ever home.

I havent't hear from one which talk me that he or she stay wrong on the list, also if they i know what they done and sorry for example.


A women who steal 80 designer skins which every cost 2300 L$ and who gives that to another with full perms hey any one here who creates skins and gives there stuff also with all right to another avatar??

And the other avatar wasn't also not the real designer ;-)

It work, i don't do stuff which not work , do perhaps us but it sin't my style.

Not the copybotes are a technical problem is here the problem to stop they you all are self that problem, with only talking about you chang nothing you make the problem also bigger.

and me down.
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08-28-2009 03:56
From: Zerocool Galicia

For example every one use a virus detector in realy life
I don't. And I haven't had any computer I own or use suffer from a virus in something like 20 years. One reason I don't is because virus detectors cause problems, and for me the chance of getting a virus are smaller than the chance that antivirus software will screw up something.

And that's with antivirus software, which DOES have the capability of detecting most viruses. Anti-copybot software doesn't even have the justification of being effective.
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08-28-2009 04:01
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that is not anything like the german language that i grew up with.


lol, nice and what has that to do with the topic "Next useless piece of scripting against copybot"??????????

NOTHING and yes i'm native german speaker but what has it to do with that topic??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

and that my english isn't great do i know i write it fast done without to made me a brain because the response is also ever the same down making statements.

Have fun or not your problem

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08-28-2009 04:05
From: Argent Stonecutter
I don't. And I haven't had any computer I own or use suffer from a virus in something like 20 years. One reason I don't is because virus detectors cause problems, and for me the chance of getting a virus are smaller than the chance that antivirus software will screw up something.

And that's with antivirus software, which DOES have the capability of detecting most viruses. Anti-copybot software doesn't even have the justification of being effective.


lol ok nice to here that you pc is free for trojians , lol.

Sure you don't need it if you use linux or i guess mac is currently also safe but if you really haven't a antspy ware or trojain defender and you use windos then respect . That call i open src then lol i hope you don't do online banking lol

Sl is bad scripted it's like windows and so you need it or you have the bad guys on your land and also your coustomer not safe. They buy it , a copyboter botted it and now?

The customer is very angry and sorry most the botting is also direct in the shop so you are the bad guy who don't protect your customer. Sure the system don't catch all but it change the rate from 100% to perhaps 10% and if the other 10 see that it is a russian rollett they also let it but hey to that point will be never came because you all talk only and you do nice working solution done.

With the time i find this people which only ever talk and think to do all making down much more worser then the real problem copyboter because it's your mistake.

I could and would also understand which botten because you you guys do all solution making down and the copyboters are free and safe.

I my thinking it would make sence , if also people do that why not.

Let Secondlife be a big freebie world lol that's for that you all here currently work lol.

Nice to hear that the creator and designer want it also like the copyboter ok then we need no longer solution against illigal copyboters only the TOS must be change that every citizen have the right to use the copybot also for user stuff which they not have the perms for lol.

Who told Philip Linden that, that we find our solution for that problem?
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08-28-2009 05:07
From: Zerocool Galicia
Sorry what i say you are not uptodate, there are 100% identifer for copybot action and no one which with that identifer action will catch is a shopping tour customer or he is but he or she want it for free and i guess hat customer did you need or do you?
If it is the case that " there are 100% identifer for copybot action," why do you ask people in your advert on xstreet, "If you know a 100% copyboter call me in world, send me a notecard."?

If I've properly understood how your system works, it depends on your users somehow identifying a copybot and notifying you so you can put that name on the blacklist.

While your system may well be "100%" at identifying whether a name is or isn't on your blacklist, I don't understand how you can claim to be "100%" sure that a name that's not on your blacklist is not, in fact, a copybot. Nor do I see how you can be "100%" that any name supplied to you is not, in fact, that of an innocent party for whom the reporter is trying to make problems. What further investigations do you conduct if someone supplies a name to you?
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08-28-2009 05:24
I keep copybotters away by putting a rabbit in my shop. Copybots are allergic to rabbit fur.
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08-28-2009 05:59
Zerocool may have something to say, but he spends too much time typing and too little thinking and organizing his thoughts in order to communicate effectively. It takes me far too much effort and guesswork to figure out what he's trying to say, so I don't bother.

In any case, all I think I see from Zerocool are unsubstantiated claims. Those are pretty easy to dish out.

Zero, if you have something to say, slow down, skip the flaming, think carefully (show us you're capable of it), and make a clear and simple verifiable statement. Then we'll take you seriously.

What Argent and others say about copybot not being detectable is generally accepted as true. Of course, it might be wrong, but it has been argued well and many times and has been accepted as the common wisdom. Since you are arguing against that, you have to present good reasons (not just claims) that it's wrong. You need to show some kind of proof, or show how we could prove it ourselves. You have the "burden of proof", to be taken seriously.
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08-28-2009 07:43
From: Zerocool Galicia
lol, nice and what has that to do with the topic "Next useless piece of scripting against copybot"??????????

NOTHING and yes i'm native german speaker but what has it to do with that topic??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Because, if we can't understand what you are saying or, worse, if we think you are saying something incredibly dumb, even when you are simply mistranslating your words to English, we're not going to take you seriously. Communication is 99% of the battle.

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and that my english isn't great do i know i write it fast done without to made me a brain because the response is also ever the same down making statements.


The responses you are getting are based on some pretty sound knowledge and experience of how SL works, how copybots work, and the nature of the problem. You simply cannot "guarantee" detection of a copybot. I bet you didn't know a copybot can copy anything in a sim, and it doesn't even have to be IN the sim to do it. It can be anywhere within its equivalent "draw distance", and copy what it sees from there. Even still, there are viewers which can copy things while the user continues walking around, talking, sitting outside reading a newspaper, whatever. Unless you're going to turn your customers into gestapo and have them treat anyone displaying any activity other than goose-step-shopping-maneuvers as a potential copybot, your system is going to be useless against them (and unlikely even then). That's simply a fact. Any other claims are nothing more than snake oil sales pitches to gullible people hysterically clinging to "security" at the expense of driving away their own customers.

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Darien Caldwell
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08-28-2009 08:36
Any action initiated by a copybot is no different from any action initiated by a normal avatar, because all of the available actions are pre-defined defaults coded into the viewer.

To put it more simply, if you have a keyboard with only the keys 'A', E', and 'O', your only responses can be A, E, O, AE, OU, etc. You can't suddenly come up with a F, to flag as an action that is 'copybot only'. You'll only end up flagging something like OAE, which guess what, a regular avatar can initiate too.

There's no copybot only actions.
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