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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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10-19-2007 18:59
It's called a release candidate, but the release manager isn't so certain about it*:
We’ve been reading your blog comments and receiving your in-world messages and crash reports throughout the day. We know that some of you are experiencing crashes upon starting today’s 1.18.4 Release Candidate, and apologize to those of you who have been on the receiving end of this (I’m one of them!). *http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/19/crashes-and-todays-release-candidate |
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
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10-19-2007 19:01
Im waiting at least a day..... http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/19/crashes-and-todays-release-candidate/
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
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10-19-2007 19:03
Not if you're planning on texturing anything. (The "Lag Meter" is pretty cool, though.)
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Raudf Fox
(ra-ow-th)
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 5,119
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10-19-2007 19:06
Not if you're planning on texturing anything. (The "Lag Meter" is pretty cool, though.) Grrrrr... I finally swapped back to the regular viewer after having tried to resize a texture for the 5th time and having it change BOTH farking horizontal and vertical. I didn't bother with the lagometer, or much else. Build tools is the FIRST thing I test  _____________________
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Tristin Mikazuki
Sarah Palin ROCKS!
Join date: 9 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,012
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10-19-2007 19:08
Should you run todays RC???? If you love crashes and SUPER buggy and crappy software then YES!!
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Isablan Neva
Mystic
Join date: 27 Nov 2004
Posts: 2,907
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10-19-2007 19:14
Maybe they should rename it to "Crash Candidate."
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Steve Mahfouz
Ecstasy Realty
Join date: 1 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,373
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10-19-2007 19:26
I have not crashed yet, odd....*knocks on wood, throws salt over shoulder, etc*
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Sindy Tsure
Will script for shoes
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
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10-19-2007 20:20
I haven't crashed yet either with it but the texture alignement stuff while building is really, really annoying.
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Sammy Thielt
Helpful land-lady
Join date: 26 Nov 2006
Posts: 142
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10-19-2007 20:51
This RC is not one of the better ones they've put out. The display of Group info seems especially buggy.
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Teeny Leviathan
Never started World War 3
Join date: 20 May 2003
Posts: 2,716
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10-19-2007 21:00
I guess I'll pass on this release.
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Bree Giffen
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Join date: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 2,715
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10-19-2007 21:28
I think I'll let the sucke... I mean the early adopters try it out first.
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Jannae Karas
Just Looking
Join date: 10 Mar 2007
Posts: 1,516
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10-19-2007 22:16
Waiting for Nicholaz to get back fro vacation to fix it first.
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DoteDote Edison
Thinks Too Much
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
Posts: 790
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10-20-2007 01:10
I've tried the new release candidate. So far, so good. Two things I've noticed right off the top:
It seems to remember my client menu setting (I don't have to re-enable the camera constraints thing). Maybe it's a quirk, who knows. Also, the mini-map no longer shows T's or inverted T's to indicate whether an avatar is above or below. |
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Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
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10-20-2007 01:32
crashing withthe camera...............yes with this new release. Over all its slightly better.
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Meni Kaiousei
knowledgebase junkie
Join date: 6 Nov 2006
Posts: 162
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10-20-2007 02:16
Should I run today's release candidate? Why not? You can help the Lindens to stabilize the product by providing feedback. And if does not work for you, just start the official/normal client again from your applications folder. |
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Carlos Cameron
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2006
Posts: 128
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10-20-2007 02:41
SL residents are afraid to download anything put out by the tech team.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Downloading fixes has been a major problem here as we all know. Therefore, no one wants to take a chance and mess up their game more then it is now due to downloading anything they put out. Sounds crazy but it's true. Those of us who have been here long enough know what usually happens after downloading these "fixes" and others. |
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Fluf Fredriksson
Registered User
Join date: 8 Feb 2007
Posts: 248
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10-20-2007 03:18
There are some useful fixes in the latest release as well. The float text fix is particularly handy and has been annoying me for months. But I've yet to try texturing in world. That could be a deal breaker. Ah well... It is a "Release Candidate" after all ... Stick with the official viewer if you want more predictable behaviour.
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Sling Trebuchet
Deleted User
Join date: 20 Jan 2007
Posts: 4,548
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10-20-2007 03:34
I NEVER d/l anything until I have to.
According to the original blog posting for this latest release ]]]]]]] Today’s Second Life 1.18.4 Release Candidate Viewer contains bug fixes and soon-to-be-released new features. The new features are: * Search * Lag Meter * German, Korean, and Japanese Language Improvements * Friends and the Minimap [[[[[[[[ How the hell does the above manage to break texturing?????????? Is there a term for code 'structure' that is worse than spaghetti? The thing even crashes a Linden's system. Do they do any internal testing? Is this the Tao at work? No Linden will test another Linden's work because that might involve being perceived as an attack? So no bonus points coming out of the Love Machine for anyone with a professional approach to the product??? I despair! _____________________
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Atashi Toshihiko
Frequently Befuddled
Join date: 7 Dec 2006
Posts: 1,423
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10-20-2007 04:27
I used it for a few hours last night, without any trouble. Admittedly I was not attempting to build anything, I'll try that today.
It does have an attractive list of bug fixes in the release notes, at least five things I was very happy to see. Top of my list was crashing while camming arround. They claim to have fixed it, and I tested that last night. With the 1.18.3.whatever current official release, I risk crashing just turning around, it's been very flaky. The RC was very stable and solid, even camming across a whole sim and through some shops. Just my L$2 based on what I've seen so far; if the build tools are borked then that trumps any other advances, really. -Atashi _____________________
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
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10-20-2007 05:16
[...]the mini-map no longer shows T's or inverted T's to indicate whether an avatar is above or below. |
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Sindy Tsure
Will script for shoes
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
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10-20-2007 07:30
According to the original blog posting for this latest release ]]]]]]] Today’s Second Life 1.18.4 Release Candidate Viewer contains bug fixes and soon-to-be-released new features. The new features are: * Search * Lag Meter * German, Korean, and Japanese Language Improvements * Friends and the Minimap [[[[[[[[ How the hell does the above manage to break texturing?????????? The did a little more than that.. Release Notes for Second Life 1.18.4(0) October 17, 2007 ===================================== New features: * Help > Lag Meter; monitors Client, Network and Server lag and reports possible causes Changes: * Visual changes in preparation for a forthcoming release of new in-world search ** Opt-in and opt-out checkboxes for Resident Profile, Parcels, For Sale Objects, Not For Sale Objects, Regions, and Groups * About Land description field is now a three-line text box * Minimap indicators for "above" and "below" updated ** After the next server update, friends will appear in a different color Bug fixes: * Fixed invisible sculpted prims when sculpted texture contains alpha * Fixed scope of drag-select with locked objects * Fixed link order of drag-selected objects * Fixed Accept Notices flag in Group Panel General tab not saving value * Fixed Linux viewer preferences for choosing the cache location or chat log location * Fixed Apply button disabled after setting group preferences * Fixed Apply button failing to grey out after selecting 'List Group in Profile' * Fixed filename filter for Linux/GTK file picker * Fixed Linux/GTK file picker not remembering most recent directory * Fixed channel argument in Linux client * Fixed muted particles not clearing * Fixed Show in Search option not carrying over to copied object * Fixed muted users disappearing from Active Speakers * Fixed Mature content flag when searching All * Fixed viewer crash when pasting/typing UTF8 text in the object For Sale price box * Fixed Gesture Editor sounds not initialized * Fixed Group enrollment fee accepting floating point * Fixed 'Quiet Snapshots to Disk' and 'Disable Camera Constraints' not persisting across sessions * Fixed dot characters in various fields * Disabled Add to Outfit and Replace Outfit options on the top-level Clothing folder * MISC-567: Multiple system folders (e.g., '100 Lost and Found Folders') in inventory * VWR-2471: SL-viewer chrashes after opening the 10th group-info-window * VWR-2444: Menu background colors aren't settable in colors_base.xml * VWR-2291: LOD defaults are now too aggressive in RC 1.18.3 * VWR-2283: Some changes to groups cannot be saved * VWR-2116: Viewer crashes when starting a new Group IM session under Japanese UI * VWR-2104: long avatar names overflow on the chat history window volume control/muting section * VWR-2065: Custom Snapshot setting do not save for next Snapshot * VWR-2041: Allow using voice component on another computer * VWR-1945: toolbox floater displays window elements incorrectly when minimized then moved. * VWR-1944: Active gestures sometimes fail to show in the Active Gestures list * VWR-1888: Characters missing in IM window * VWR-1724: HUD zoom snaps back after selecting another HUD object * VWR-1695: llGiveInventoryList objects spam the owner with messages when the recipient is in Busy mode * VWR-1590: Keyboard changes inventory selection after right-click * VWR-1562: llassert(mNumDescendantsSelected >= 0) with crash and loop. (Debug build) * VWR-1448: llSetText on non-root prims is unreliable (including after relogs) * VWR-1408: Online status viewable via Groups even if 'Make my online status visible only to my Friends' is set * VWR-1399: Client crashes when viewing details of an empty proposal window * VWR-1096: llPlaySound does not play whilst in HUD depending on HUD attachment point * VWR-1045: Client crashes with no warning when uploading corrupted TGA file * VWR-851: Viewer Crashes in high texture environments when moving or when panning with camera. * VWR-813: Recent Items tab shows folders with no matching items * VWR-738: SL crashes when loading with a GTK_IM scim module * VWR-379: Fix shell scripts to use bash and not sh when appropriate. * VWR-333: 'Unable to load gesture.' or 'Gesture is missing from database.' on login * VWR-315: Script changes in the editor may be cancelled because of lag * VWR-851: Viewer Crashes in high texture environments when moving or when panning with camera. * VWR-813: Recent Items tab shows folders with no matching items * VWR-738: SL crashes when loading with a GTK_IM scim module * VWR-379: Fix shell scripts to use bash and not sh when appropriate. * VWR-333: 'Unable to load gesture.' or 'Gesture is missing from database.' on login * VWR-315: Script changes in the editor may be cancelled because of lag |
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foehn Breed
More random than random
Join date: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,142
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10-20-2007 07:36
Waiting for Nicholaz to get back fro vacation to fix it first. Ditto! _____________________
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Sling Trebuchet
Deleted User
Join date: 20 Jan 2007
Posts: 4,548
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10-20-2007 08:47
The did a little more than that.. Yes. The 'bug fixes' were mentioned in my quote of the Release blog posting. So the question is unchanged: "How the hell does the above manage to break texturing??????????" I've come across developments in which the standard of code structure was absolutely abysmal, but the thing moved along because the programmers had a grasp of what did what and how. That doesn't seem to apply in LL. It's clear from the history that they need to do comprehensive regression testing on *everything*. That's because they seem to reintroduce bugs already fixed, and break things that are not directly associated with what they are setting out to fix. Some companies have software engineering. LL seem to have software chaos. It's not bleeding edge techology that they're at. It's blending edge technology. Take a few modules here, a few from there, and oh - let's try that one - stick them in the blender and see what comes out the other end. Et Voila! A release candidate. I'd really love to know. What exactly did they do that caused the borking of horizontal/vertical texturing. What was it that they were fixing that broke something else? *Of course* there will be bugs, especially when one considers the development history and the state of the code. Yes it's 'only' a release candidate and not the current release. But how in hell do they manage to reintroduce bugs and break unrelated things? What worries me about the future of SL is that although open sourcing can save the client, the server code must be a complete kludge. It's tragic. I love SL. _____________________
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Atashi Yue
Registered User
Join date: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 703
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10-20-2007 08:54
I might not have a choice, since the regular client keeps crashing for me now.
x 3 so far, after less than 1 minute in world. |
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Dagmar Heideman
Bokko Dancer
Join date: 2 Feb 2007
Posts: 989
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10-20-2007 09:08
Why not? You can help the Lindens to stabilize the product by providing feedback. And if does not work for you, just start the official/normal client again from your applications folder. |
