An interesting idea that could be applied to forum moderation
|
|
Tabliopa Underwood
Registered User
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 719
|
04-20-2009 19:16
Forums are a place for public speech. If we dont want others to hear /read what we have to say then we goto IM/PM. We dont have to listen to what other people say so Mute/Ignore. I think blocking other people from hearing what we have say in public is not good. Public meaning all who care to listen.
Asking for this capability in a public forum is the same as asking for the ability to block avatars of our choice from hearing what we have to say in public chat inworld and I think is not a very good idea.
|
|
Bith Wierwight
Odd Bird
Join date: 26 Feb 2008
Posts: 236
|
04-20-2009 19:17
Mob rule=icky. IMO.
_____________________
Rated PG for Perfectly Ghastly.
I am NOT responsible for your predictable experience.
|
|
Love Hastings
#66666
Join date: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 4,094
|
04-20-2009 19:29
From: Bith Wierwight Mob rule=icky. IMO. If this place were a small Transylvanian town, I'd agree. "Dead thing pie! Dead thing pie!" Do you know how difficult it is to build up a good mob on this site? Very very hard. The only one I can think of is a very small handful of people who have agreed to ignore one particular person, and that's after literally months and months of him being a complete asshat. And even then, it's only for one specific thread. No, a clique being able to run someone out here is next to impossible.
|
|
Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
|
04-20-2009 19:44
only because there is no admin/mod to ally themselves with. if this forum were to implement OPs suggestions they would become the moderators themselves. i can see this being abused in the worst ways. i have zero faith in internet communities. the collective IQ of a group of people diminishes the larger the group gets. From: Love Hastings No, a clique being able to run someone out here is next to impossible.
_____________________
SLU - ban em then bash em! ~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html
|
|
Bith Wierwight
Odd Bird
Join date: 26 Feb 2008
Posts: 236
|
04-20-2009 19:45
From: Love Hastings If this place were a small Transylvanian town, I'd agree. "Dead thing pie! Dead thing pie!"
Do you know how difficult it is to build up a good mob on this site? Very very hard. The only one I can think of is a very small handful of people who have agreed to ignore one particular person, and that's after literally months and months of him being a complete asshat. And even then, it's only for one specific thread.
No, a clique being able to run someone out here is next to impossible. I really enjoyed the Transylvanian reference. And I'll admit that I'm still new in the (specific) thread, so I've not had time to build up any enmity (and, I hope, to not have earned too much). I was objecting to the concept of mob rule because I enjoy the company online of those that differ from me in quite a few respects. And "Dead thing pie!" -- I am interested! Because I am actually into the icky. Another reason to fear the mob I'm thinking.
_____________________
Rated PG for Perfectly Ghastly.
I am NOT responsible for your predictable experience.
|
|
Love Hastings
#66666
Join date: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 4,094
|
04-20-2009 19:57
From: Nina Stepford only because there is no admin/mod to ally themselves with. if this forum were to implement OPs suggestions they would become the moderators themselves. i can see this being abused in the worst ways. i have zero faith in internet communities. the collective IQ of a group of people diminishes the larger the group gets. The case of SLU is insidious, as the biased moderation is kept under the radar, as it were, most of the time. It's disguised as "light" moderation quite well. Perhaps deliberately, perhaps not. The intriguing idea raised here would not allow a small group to run anybody out. At worst, it would merely insulate them within themselves. And to that I say, go for it. Have fun! Having said all of that, I'm not sure it's a good idea either. What I do know is this: the way to calculate the collective IQ of a committee is to take the IQ of the stupidest person in that committee, and divide by the number of people in the committee.
|
|
Jesse Barnett
500,000 scoville units
Join date: 21 May 2006
Posts: 4,160
|
04-20-2009 20:09
From: Nina Stepford only because there is no admin/mod to ally themselves with. if this forum were to implement OPs suggestions they would become the moderators themselves. i can see this being abused in the worst ways. i have zero faith in internet communities. the collective IQ of a group of people diminishes the larger the group gets. This is the part I do not understand. In what specific way can it be abused? No one can force anyone else to mute someone, even if a clique conspired together to mute someone, there are many more people here to talk to. IF I was the person being picked on by a clique then I damn sure wouldn't care what they had to say anyway. If a clique decided to all gang up and mute someone and it showed as a red flag to a moderator, It doesn't take much digging to see if there is any validity to it. I do not know about anyone else but I am not a clique and I am not a mob. No one can force me to put someone on ignore or take them off or tell me how long to keep them there. Can anyone tell you and control you in such a fashion? That is the part that no one seems to get outside of a couple so far. Everyone raise their hands that are so weak willed that you are going to let someone else control your actions?
_____________________
I (who is a she not a he) reserve the right to exercise selective comprehension of the OP's question at anytime. From: someone I am still around, just no longer here. See you across the aisle. Hope LL burns in hell for archiving this forum
|
|
Doodles Ordinary
Registered User
Join date: 20 Apr 2009
Posts: 23
|
04-20-2009 20:13
From: Love Hastings The case of SLU is insidious, as the biased moderation is kept under the radar, as it were, most of the time. It's disguised as "light" moderation quite well. Perhaps deliberately, perhaps not.
. Yep, I've seen the moderator protect some people by instantly locking threads while other people will be fed to the wolves. This is life though. Some people we like, some we don't. But it is a shame to see somebodies business or reputation get trashed by a few misguided folk. Welcome to the internet.
|
|
Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
|
04-20-2009 21:17
its not about a clique forcing others to mute a particular person. its about people being demonised or forced to feel unwelcome by a group. a group that with mute them then bash them, allowing the victim to see only snippets within quotes, a victim that will not be able to refute false allegations because they likely wont even know they have been posted. i think any sort of forum group empowerment can only lead to bad things. i cant see this stopping trolling. in fact, i think it would only help to breed trolls, or to turn people into trollish types out of contempt. From: Jesse Barnett This is the part I do not understand. In what specific way can it be abused?
_____________________
SLU - ban em then bash em! ~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html
|
|
LittleMe Jewell
...........
Join date: 8 Oct 2007
Posts: 11,319
|
04-20-2009 21:38
From: Love Hastings What I do know is this: the way to calculate the collective IQ of a committee is to take the IQ of the stupidest person in that committee, and divide by the number of people in the committee. LMAO -- Well this explains a whole lot about government offices.
_____________________
♥♥♥ -Lil
Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
|
|
Mickey Vandeverre
See you Inworld
Join date: 7 Dec 2006
Posts: 2,542
|
04-21-2009 12:29
From: Darien Caldwell I've never encountered a forum troll. Probably because I am quite capable of listening to people who opinions differ from mine and not taking it personally. I have never muted anyone in a forum and never would, surrounding yourself with people who only think like you is the path to stagnation and is a form of mental masturbation. Listen to your critics, listen to the other side, because you never know, they may have a point and even change your mind. Censorship is the death of freedom and free expression. And like has been said for what seems like a lifetime on the internet, if someone's posts bother you, don't read them.  Along the same lines..... Caught a few words today, from a person that I almost put on ignore many months back....that totally changed my opinion about that person....in a positive light. (and no, not the resident troll) My opinion of that person won't matter to that person....and it shouldn't....but your opinion of how you view someone matters to you.....and how you go about using that to relate to other people.....in that case...it will matter to other people you run into. Very limiting to put people on ignore. (unless they have exhausted all opportunities to find a redeeming quality...which is rare in a human being) Judging someone from 10 posts....100 posts....1000....maybe post number 1001 will show you a different light....same thing goes with the words and conversations you use inworld.....or RL. Can anyone really present themselves effectively in 100,000 words or less? If they weren't able to do that in the 100,000 words.....is that their fault or shortcoming..... or is it yours? Is that fair? Mostly to yourself?
|
|
Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
|
04-21-2009 14:26
From: Nina Stepford its about people being demonised or forced to feel unwelcome by a group. a group that with mute them then bash them, allowing the victim to see only snippets within quotes, a victim that will not be able to refute false allegations because they likely wont even know they have been posted. Good point...This is exactly what some people elsewhere would do just so that they could talk crap about you without your seeing it except if/when quoted.
|
|
Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
|
04-21-2009 23:02
From: Briana Dawson Good point...This is exactly what some people elsewhere would do just so that they could talk crap about you without your seeing it except if/when quoted. Nope - it doesn't work, as I have pointed out before. Pep (Unless the vigilantes have the power to identify and ban all possible identities that might be used to read their "hidden" posts)
_____________________
Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
|