Openspace sims make some of us content creators look bad...very bad.

I have withheld my opinion on Openspace sims since LL introduced them in their new form. I have read many of the threads about the lag and perceived abuse regarding over parceling, over scripting, etc.

Well yesterday i finally experienced it first hand. I rezzed a Chaise a made, sat down, and clicked it and waited forever for the menu to appear. I then switched textures and watched as each prim shifted texture at a rate of about 1 prim a second. I then switched my animation and was stuck in mid-air for about 10 seconds before it made the conversion to the new animation. i did not even try using the menu to adjust my position as that would have probably taken forever.

Now if someone had purchased our furniture and brought it home to this sim, they would be totally disappointed. They would switch animations and wonder why sometimes they froze in mid-air and other times it switched just rather slowly. Or wonder why it takes a 1/2 minute for the textures to switch (not recolour) But you can be sure that they would be blaming the furniture makers and the scripting.

This problem is only going to get worse. Very few SL Realtors are telling their clients that scripts running in heavy use Openspace sims suffer to the point of long freezes or that heavy use of them degrades your experience.

Heck, i clicked my VENUS HUD and it took over 10 seconds for it to minimize as it slowly faded away tick by tick.

Even worse is while i was in this sim there were perhaps 9 of us together and several of the people were complaining about the bad lag in SL. And i was like..Wait a minute, do not claim SL sucks when its the sim creators fault for maxxing out this Openspace sim and bringing out experience to a slow down.

Misused Openspace sims are reflecting poorly on content creators and on Linden Lab.

It is about time LL produced a manual with some simple warnings and information in it.

Shame on you SL Realtors who are peddling these Openspace sims off like they are the hottest thing since cavemen discovering fire.

Well to be fair that line of thinking comes from the top. Have you tried your items in a mono enabled sim with the RC client after recompiling your scripts with mono?

What he said ...

The only regret I have is that my meditation circle freaks out my viewer and everyone else's when we try to use it - hoping the maker can redo it so I can use it, but in fairness I was expecting some things not to be quite so great as before.

Hell, why should they?
Just read again what you wrote there please?

HEAVY USE OPENSPACE SIMS

Openspace sims are NOT meant for heavy use, it's as simple as that. How long will it take people to accept the simple fact that an Openspace sims gets only a quarter of the resources that a normal sim gets?
How long will it take people to accept the simple fact that an Openspace sim share's it's CPU on the server with other Openspace sims?
How long will it take people to accept the simple fact that Openspace sims are therefore meant for light usage.

And this light usage doesn't just apply to having less prims available to that space. The Openspace sim also isn't designed to carry more than a quarter of the amount of visitors that a normal sim carries.

Lindenlabs have never tried to hide these facts. They even explicitly state them in their advertisement.

So why the hell do people put malls, clubs, whatever in Openspace sims, for usage and traffic generation as if they were placed in a normal sim? As if it was the main attraction in a normal sim even, since it's generally these kind of places that can bring even a normal sim to a crawl?
Beats me, but I'll still grin every time I hear about one of them Openspace sims crashing from over(ab)use by such an establishment.

Yes.

And this problem only exist in heavy use Openspace sims. And as i mentioned in my OP it is not just our furniture, its my other scripted objects as well, like HUDs.

And our furniture is scripted by Crystalshard Foo, so i know there is no issue there.

It is just an observation about Openspace sims.

How about you read what i wrote again.

Heavy use or not - the lay resident has no clue about these things. When i told these people they were in an Openspace sim that was suffering from heavy use they were CLUELESS - and still blaming SL in general, not the sim.

The point of my OP is that: It makes creators look bad since the lay resident has no idea what heavy use is and no idea of the differences between an Openspace sim and a regular sim, so to them its just SL acting bad and lagging their experience to hell while they continue to pay this Openspace sim owner money for a laggy experience being created by the sim owners heavy use of the sim.

So what i said still stands. I do not see what your beef is.

Open Space sims are kinda like the "supersize me" of virtual land. It's profitable, attractive, and does not appropriately meet the needs of the consumer. Even though the intent is just that... Open Space... to be used as fringe locations to existing islands. But the drooling masses see it as nothing more than big & cheap land and don't even pay mind to the technical issues that come with sharing a CPU with 3 other people who are probably just as equally ignorant. (=_=)

The end result is a form of virtual obesity. Open Space sims get bloated with the same builds and scripts that are found in regular sims, people still try to live in them, then poo and moan over the performance issues that come with it. (>_<

No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood. (=_=)y

People do have a misconception about these sims.

I have a openspace sim next to me where I rent (on normal private estate sim). a girl rented it and tried to built a huge nightclub on it. We all scratched our heads why she would try this and when one regular resident of our island asked her he found she didnt have a clue about the lower server power supporting her sim, she thought a openspace was just limited in Prims and that was it.

Needless to say her Club only lasted a few days before she discovered just running her lights and dance floor / machines etc dragged everything to a crawl and that she would not be able to get more than half a dozen people in before things turned into a slideshow.

I felt kind of sorry for her as she basicly wasted her money renting the Sim, soon as her pre-paid rent ran out she was gone.

I really don't think it's time to panic over the perception of customers.

Maybe I'm weird or different, but whenever something doesn't work right, I blame LL before the creator. Slowly changing animations and textures is something I don't give a second thought to. I just shrug my shoulders. Now if something is really broken, then yes, I'll contact the creator... but not if something is just slow.

Hope that perspective helps.

If someone buys a car and fills it with diesel while it's runs on normal gasoline, and the sign on the car when they bought it said it was a gasoline car in capital letters, then I'll simply laugh when their car dies within 10 meters as well. And yes, it's that simple. If one doesn't even look into simple information like that but actively ignores it, then one can call himself stupid to no end.

All the technical details may be forgotten, but simply getting a grasp of what amount of usage and traffic a sim can handle if you plan to own one isn't too much to ask.

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's just simply stupid.

lolwut? Why do you hate new residents?

What I am talking about more than my furniture is that the people in this sim who pay to be there for a RP, have no idea its the SIM and not SL. Remember Marcush, there is no Ivory Tower of Information where one can learn all about SL and forums represent something like 2% of the resident base.

This is not about willful ignorance. Its about buying a car, filling it with diesel because there is no manual or sticker on the gas cap that says unleaded only. So yes, lots of people are driving off only to have their car die on them because they never knew about the different fuels that existed. Does that help?

I hope more people think like you. It is just my fear after running into people in this new RP sim that "lay residents", regular people who come to SL and never do anything but RP, do not learn anything extra about the technical underpinnings of SL, will be the ones to blame creators for bad content that lags, and then blame LL for a laggy SL, when really it is just the Openspace they never knew even existed that they live/mess around in.

it would just be great if whenever you added an Estate Manager that person was sent a READ ME by the server that informed them they are on an Openspace sim, etc..etc..limitation warning, etc..

Get out and VOTE!!



http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8768
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8770

*CRY* i HATE the Jira, its so hard to use it took me 10-15 mins just to figure out how to post.

I guess i better go vote on those Jira's you listed. Thanks for posting them.

Voted on both.

I hate to say it but there will always the percentage of people who don't delve, don't know to ask (or what to ask), and remain ignorant. As said earlier, there's not quick guide to read and cover everything.

Hmmn, someone needs to make a brief "Beginner's Guide to SL". Oh I know there are other books out there, but a notecard of salient points. When I was creating my new resident kit, it was really hard to decide what to put in and there was so much to say. I wonder if it can be pared down to a short list of advice? But then there's distribution -- how to get this into the hands of the newbies? Sure, there are notecard givers from NCI on Orientation Island but how many people stop to open and read them?

LL needs to have a notecard appear each day for newbies for one week with a list of important information.

hmmmn

I would say from my few months of experiance here in SL that percentage is probably close to 90% .... I'm constantly amazed at the lack of knowledge in residents who have been playing much longer than I.

When I play a game I like to read about it and learn all I can outside of actual play, but I can't count the number of times I would say to someone (with a 2006 or 5 ress date) "did you read about Ad-farms on the official Blog?" only to get a "what? there's and official blog?"

I swear 75% of residents dont even know this web site exists and far fewer know these forums exist.

Voted, thank you

You're welcome.

JIRA does take a bit of getting used to. If you have a suggestion or a bug, you can post here in the forums and people will probably dig thru JIRA for you and maybe even add a new issue if there isn't an existing one.

You'll never solve the problem that the people who would benefit from the information are the people who won't read it.

It's not that information isn't out there, it's that those people can't be bothered to inform themselves.

If you know openspaces exist then it's already trivial to look at the land size and prim count to know what kind of sim you're on.

Maybe a huge RED popup from LL for a few days saying:

"OMGWTFBBQ!!!!! READ THIS NOTE TO POWER UP"

And then providing an informative notecard in 12 languages.

Sorry for my being silly. But this really does bring to light the pervasiveness of this issue, which isn't likely to improve.

I suppose just continuing to be a consoling soul when those get taken and try and inform where we can.

I don't see why it would be such a big deal to blame LL for their experience issues. It won't really get them anywhere other then a link to the information necessary to open their eyes.

I seriously doubt they'd blame the content creators -- Aafter they start to realize everything they rez from their inventory is lagging and slow, just blame LL.

My inclination is to assume that passing the buck is far easier then testing or seeking out information.

I don't see how anyone could possibly come to the conclusion that a certain piece of content is to blame, when under those circumstances the whole SL experience is dragged to a halt. It's certainly the case of a very dumb and selfish sim renter who's trying to get away with as much as they possibly can on the cheap, and screw everyone else. I definately dont see reason to shame LL, or the openspace sims, or the realtors/owners that make the openspaces available. If anyone, I'd be flogging that sim renter who KNOWS he has an openspace and neglects to inform anyone they may experience degraded performance.

Come to the old mainland on Sunday if you want to see 1/2 minute texture changes and mid-air freezes of up to 10 seconds when changing animations on something.

I had the same experience just the other night! Experienced SL friends rented an OpenSpace sim and were excited to show it, it was mostly empty, with just us there and nothing scripted really added yet, the neighboring Openspace sims had detailed buildings like any other sim with nobody there...so you would think this would qualify as "light use"?

OMG, it took SO long for textures to load.

You know that little popup that comes when you move between regions that are running different sim versions? The one that warns you, makes you click on it and tells you absolutely nothing, so just wastes your time?

I think there should be a pop up when you enter an Openspace sim letting you know you have entered a slow-mo region, LOL

It's why 'quick start' guides have become so popular in RL - most people don't want to have to wade through a whole manual before plugging in their new toy and playing. This goes double for internet-based stuff.

A big part of the issue is that there's a lot to know about having land in SL. How to find it, full vs openspace, mainland vs private estates, tier, parcel settings, prim allowances, set vs deed, group roles, etc, etc.

Sure, if you understand the definitions of openspace and full sim, and know how to get at & read the interesting parts of About Land, you can figure it out without too much trouble. Most newbies don't even know what a 'region' is, though. There's a lot of not-so-new people out there that don't know it either..