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Argent Stonecutter
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12-25-2009 08:32
From: Elric Anatine
Why does everyone see WoW and SL as synonymous worlds? How can you, or anyone else, equate SL with WoW?
I don't see "World" of Warcraft as a "world" at all, myself.
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-25-2009 08:35
"The survey asks questions about your MMOG use, social aspects of your life both in-game and offline, and general demographic information including your age, gender, nationality, level of education, and income."

Before I fill out the survey, does it allow "prefer not to answer" for the last two?
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Raudf Fox
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12-25-2009 08:56
From: Czari Zenovka
I'm highly incensed that EverQuest was excluded. :mad:


Me, it was the fact that City of Heroes didn't even remotely get a mention!

Not all of us are WoW-heads!
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Brann Georgia
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12-25-2009 09:09
From: Argent Stonecutter
"The survey asks questions about your MMOG use, social aspects of your life both in-game and offline, and general demographic information including your age, gender, nationality, level of education, and income."

Before I fill out the survey, does it allow "prefer not to answer" for the last two?

It does not.
Hence I am represented there now as a 12-year old with an income of $90,000+
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Phil Deakins
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12-25-2009 09:18
From: Brann Georgia
It does not.
Hence I am represented there now as a 12-year old with an income of $90,000+
Why didn't you lie about your income as well as your age?
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Joshooah Lovenkraft
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12-25-2009 09:47
@ the OP: I'm just curious if this is part of, or related to the VERUS study, in collaboration with SFU and York, looking at the relationships between the real-world characteristics of users and the individual activities and group dynamics of their avatars in VWs?

FYI .. this might give you a similar idea of the type of user you are dealing with here in the forums http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWYhih-ve7M (nsfw)
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LittleMe Jewell
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12-25-2009 10:30
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
FYI .. this might give you a similar idea of the type of user you are dealing with here in the forums http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWYhih-ve7M (nsfw)
Hey - We are nowhere near like that.
:eek:
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12-25-2009 11:14
From: Elric Anatine
While a virtual environment may hold the same addictive qualities as a game, so do so many other hobbies, fascinations and pastimes. The social activities and perceptions between SL and on line games differ dramatically (unless you are a griefer or con-artist, I suppose).

on that point we both agree, they conflate the two at their own peril. SL has more in common socially with myspace than it does with warcraft. not that THAT says much.

From: LittleMe Jewell
Hey - We are nowhere near like that.
:eek:

yeah, we're older on average (but I think some of the people here still fit the profile)
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Kara Spengler
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12-25-2009 17:44
From: Treasure Ballinger
Just wanted to mention that in my group Virtual Ability, we often host grad students, people doing thesis, doctoral and ph.d candidates, from various unis around the country and out of the USA too. I recently did an interview for a grad student in the UK, about being deaf in SL. When my groups learned of it, lots of them wanted to be interviewed too. In our case, mostly they want to know about virtual worlds and the disabled. These people come inworld, they learn how it works, they hang out with us. They come to our parties, they get to know us, they ask if they can interview us (once we get to know them and feel comfortable)


Exactly, I have no problem at all with the educators who come in world to Virtual Ability. I have had no objections if they wanted an interview after they have gotten their feet in SL, as clearly they are making a sincere effort to be part of the culture (even if only temporarily). I go right to ignore mode if someone asks the same questions outworld (like in the forums) though.

To any researchers: take note as this is a common attitude. Think of it as an anthropologist living amongst a culture then writing an ethnography based on their experiences to one who writes it based on sitting in a library and emailing surveys around. Which one would you want in the bibliography for your term paper?
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BreninLlwyd Caeran
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12-25-2009 19:07
From: Anthony Luponox
The Massachusetts School of Professional Psychology (MSPP) is running a study on Massively Multiplayer Online Games (MMOGs). We are looking for residents of Second Life to fill out a survey – it takes about 10-13 minutes. The survey looks at the social aspects of people's lives in both Second Life and offline, and compares them to potential signs of problematic Second Life use. The study is also recruiting players of World of Warcraft to fill out the same survey.

These are the criteria to take this study:

* You must be a current resident of Second Life, or a current player of World of Warcraft. Current use is defined as spending 30 minutes in the past week in either Second Life or World of Warcraft. If you currently participate in both you can take the survey, but you will be asked to identify with which of the two MMOGs are you more involved at the current time.
* You must be 18 years of age or older to take the survey.


If you’re interested in learning more about the survey, click on the link below. You’ll be presented with an informed consent form to give you some more information about the study, so you can decide if you wish to take it. If you’re not interested, but might know someone who might be and who meets the criteria, feel free to forward this email to them. The survey will be open until January 5th, 2010.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/mmog_study_at_mspp

If you have any questions or comments about the study, you can contact Carmine DiChiara, the Principal Investigator, at the email address below.

Thanks for looking,
Carmine DiChiara
carmine_dichiara[at]mspp[dot]edu
Doctoral Student, Clinical Psychology
Massachusetts School of Professional Psychology

ps. If you ask about the study on this forum topic, I'll try to respond here - but I can only discuss so much while the study is going on. I also plan to post a summary of the study results on this forum topic when it's done.


I don't waste my time on studies and surveys, especially the faux-science of psychology, nor do I visit external websites to see anything SL related.
And even if I were inclined to do so, never would I respond so someone who characterized SL as a "game." Check the dictionary.

/rant over
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12-25-2009 21:32
gotta give a little cred though.. secondlife users are referred to as residents rather than players.
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Tod69 Talamasca
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12-25-2009 22:59
My sister is a Psychologist. Makes a damn good living as a marriage councilor (twice divorced herself) & therapist to Iraqi Vets coming home. Thanks to her behavior, and what shrinks have done for my ex-fiancee, I have come to believe its all crap.
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Egil Milner
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12-26-2009 08:27
This looks to be a legitimately-designed study from an accredited graduate program. Not only that, but when I took a quick look this morning I found that work has been done on quantifying selection bias in on-line surveys, which should at least help the OP interpret the results. Of course, everyone given to self-serious tantruming and laughable claims about "faux-science" can and should continue to carry on having fun regardless; it's just part of the social game that is SL.
Virrginia Tombola
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12-26-2009 08:51
I know, everyone is sick to death of surveys. But he asked nicely, is an accredited researcher on a legitimate project, and truthfully, don't we all want there to be serious examinations of virtual worlds (as opposed to yet another sensationalistic "news" article"?
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Jig Chippewa
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12-26-2009 09:07
From: Virrginia Tombola
I know, everyone is sick to death of surveys. But he asked nicely, is an accredited researcher on a legitimate project, and truthfully, don't we all want there to be serious examinations of virtual worlds (as opposed to yet another sensationalistic "news" article"?


This is just another univesrity study by people who laugh at sl and "games" like us. It's well past time to tell them they can f**k off.

So, whoever you are, in your swank knotty office somehwere in some pissy ivory tower, go screw yourself and leave us alone.
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Lissie Rumble
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12-26-2009 09:42
it's another survery!

can't they just go away? I prefer newbs :)
Jig Chippewa
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12-26-2009 09:54
From: Virrginia Tombola
I know, everyone is sick to death of surveys. But he asked nicely, is an accredited researcher on a legitimate project, and truthfully, don't we all want there to be serious examinations of virtual worlds (as opposed to yet another sensationalistic "news" article"?


Truthfully?

No.
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12-26-2009 10:30
From: Anthony Luponox
The survey looks at the social aspects of people's lives in both Second Life and offline, and compares them to potential signs of problematic Second Life use.
What I want to know is who defined the "potential signs of problematic use"? Can anyone, other than myself and my family, decide if my SL usage is having any negative impacts on my RL?
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Jig Chippewa
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12-26-2009 10:34
From: LittleMe Jewell
What I want to know is who defined the "potential signs of problematic use"? Can anyone, other than myself and my family, decide if my SL usage is having any negative impacts on my RL?


I would honestly be a lot happier if "education/educatorbumfuckerbe" were not used in the same sentence as "sl". I dont trust 'em, I dont like 'em and I wish they'd do thier bloody surveys elsewhere.
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Arilynn Karu
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12-26-2009 10:42
From: Virrginia Tombola
I know, everyone is sick to death of surveys. But he asked nicely, is an accredited researcher on a legitimate project, and truthfully, don't we all want there to be serious examinations of virtual worlds (as opposed to yet another sensationalistic "news" article"?
I agree, Virrginia.
BreninLlwyd Caeran
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12-26-2009 10:53
From: Egil Milner
This looks to be a legitimately-designed study from an accredited graduate program. Not only that, but when I took a quick look this morning I found that work has been done on quantifying selection bias in on-line surveys, which should at least help the OP interpret the results. Of course, everyone given to self-serious tantruming and laughable claims about "faux-science" can and should continue to carry on having fun regardless; it's just part of the social game that is SL.


Legitimacy is not defined by your belief in the "faux-science" or whether it's a real person doing the survey. You define legitimacy in your own way..and by all means go take it. Don't come on here defending these elitist "educators" and ostracizing me as "self-serious"..that doesn't even mean anything.
The developer of the US govt office of education once said "THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION IS TO CHANGE THE THOUGHTS, ACTIONS AND BEHAVIOR OF OUR CHILDREN." Welcome to 1984..moron.

And to the OP take your survey and shove it. If you want to learn about SL, go in-world and try developing some relationships and learn about it as we all did..or are you too lazy for that..or too good to play such a "game"?
Suki Hirano
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12-26-2009 11:14
Isn't there supposed to be an incentive for doing surveys? Even in my first year psychology class at university, our incentive is either $25 for a half-hour survey, or some bonus marks for the course. O_o
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12-26-2009 11:17
From: Suki Hirano
Isn't there supposed to be an incentive for doing surveys? Even in my first year psychology class at university, our incentive is either $25 for a half-hour survey, or some bonus marks for the course. O_o


25 bucks? For th eperson being interviewed? When the profs earning 250 thou and more? Jesus. Uni is a ripoff.
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12-26-2009 11:28
I think this thread title should be "the antisocial aspects of SL". :(
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BreninLlwyd Caeran
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12-26-2009 11:31
From: Argent Stonecutter
I think this thread title should be "the antisocial aspects of SL". :(


awww. Only to outsiders attempting the lazy man's approach to studying SL argent.
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