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what can I do against griefers using Myti tool?

Brenda Connolly
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02-17-2008 10:30
From: Colette Meiji
Musta Ratted on the SLmob

He he. Fugeddaboudit!
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Vaughn Hotshot
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02-17-2008 11:24
I say trash the mystitool and get an omicron :)
Har Fairweather
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02-17-2008 11:39
From: Yumi Murakami
Almost all of the restrictions - "No Script", "No Push", AND "No Build", can be worked around. For "No Script" there is a good reason for this: vehicles - vehicles require their scripts to be working all the time in order to move. For the others, I'm not sure there's such a good reason.

Personally, I'd like to see a clear statement that manufacturing an object which can build in a no-build area, push in a no-push area, etc, is an ARable offense by the creator, and can result in the object being asset deleted. I know that many people make weapons saying that "this can be used for griefing but please don't", but many of those can be used consensually in some situations, so that's ok. On the other hand if the landowner has set land to no-push then performing a push on it by definition can't be consensual.


Just adds one more step to the weapons-making process: You have a disposable alt for the finishing work, so it is the "creator," kiss the alt bye-bye, then create another disposable alt for creating the next weapon.
Casper Priestman
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02-17-2008 12:27
If the land beside the parcel is *build* and *script* enabled then the one thing you folks seem to have forgotten about is disabling *object entry*. Note: on most private sims this is not possible due to the covenant and the desire for residents to move freely about with their planes/trains/automobiles.
Yumi Murakami
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02-17-2008 12:33
From: Har Fairweather
Just adds one more step to the weapons-making process: You have a disposable alt for the finishing work, so it is the "creator," kiss the alt bye-bye, then create another disposable alt for creating the next weapon.


If you don't mind not being able to sell it, ok.. otherwise, the true creator can be found by looking at the seller.
Colette Meiji
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02-17-2008 12:47
From: Yumi Murakami
If you don't mind not being able to sell it, ok.. otherwise, the true creator can be found by looking at the seller.


No Har is right

If you used a disposable av to make the prims,

And you cut and pasted the text from the scripts into scripts "by" the disposable av ..

you could make an Av who was the creator of an object who was throwaway.

You could pass full perms copies to other throwaway accounts and use them to sell the object.

That way unless LL deleted the database entry on the asset server you could stay in business indefinitely just by making sure you had backups in place.
Yuukie Onmura
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02-18-2008 01:36
getting grief at my own place?
...estate manager powers there. 'nuff said.
Morwen Bunin
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02-18-2008 02:51
From: Lana Tomba
I've heard this mysti tool mentioned...what is it?


I bought Mystitools for just one reason.... The table/chair set that is included. I love it :).

Morwen.
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02-18-2008 03:37
Even the most powerfull scripted items are not as powerfull as the land tools if you know how to use them.

Disabling push prevents push weapons (and orbiters that rely on pushes)
disabling object creation, object entry and scripts prevents caging (and orbiters that rely on cages)
Autoreturn should also be used.

Of course while those things are disabled for other people, you and the people you want in your land group can still use them.

Sit down
freeze, eject, ban, mute
Tegg Bode
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02-18-2008 22:03
From: Yuukie Onmura
getting grief at my own place?
...estate manager powers there. 'nuff said.
Not a problem if you never leave your own sim :P
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Ike Fairweather
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02-19-2008 02:48
From: Nyles Nestler
Ike, you might be missing the point -


Banning and ejecting are methods that are just as or more effective than orbiting and caging, plus they are *legal* to use on your own land.

Even when defending your own land, caging and orbiting can get you suspended from SL.

Kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face....


For that reason, long live the No Entry/Ban Lines. No wonder people put them up. Kill the headaches before they start.
Morwen Bunin
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02-19-2008 02:50
From: Ike Fairweather
For that reason, long live the No Entry/Ban Lines. No wonder people put them up. Kill the headaches before they start.


And leave others with the headache of needing to watch ugly banlines....

Morwen.
Ike Fairweather
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02-19-2008 02:56
From: Morwen Bunin
And leave others with the headache of needing to watch ugly banlines....

Morwen.


I guess that's life. You can't please everyone. If I am not allowed to defend myself on my own land by a passing griefer, long live the no entry/ban lines. Why is it ok for a security system to orbit a griefer (push 100%) and a land owner on his own land can't? Yes, long live No Entry/Ban Lines.
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02-19-2008 03:06
From: Ike Fairweather
I guess that's life. You can't please everyone. If I am not allowed to defend myself on my own land by a passing griefer, long live the no entry/ban lines. Why is it ok for a security system to orbit a griefer (push 100%) and a land owner on his own land can't? Yes, long live No Entry/Ban Lines.


In all the time I owned land was all I needed Freeze, Eject, Ban.... and no ban lines, security orbs or whatever.

BTW... I don't think it is okay for a security orb to orbit someone. Send home, yes... orbit, no.

Morwen.
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02-19-2008 03:17
From: Morwen Bunin
In all the time I owned land was all I needed Freeze, Eject, Ban.... and no ban lines, security orbs or whatever.
BTW... I don't think it is okay for a security orb to orbit someone. Send home, yes... orbit, no.
Morwen.
Ejected, Sent home, Orbited, no difference to me, ejecting and banning some one from a sim isn't griefing but freezing or caging them to talk to them is..........
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02-19-2008 03:29
From: Tegg Bode
Ejected, Sent home, Orbited, no difference to me, ejecting and banning some one from a sim isn't griefing but freezing or caging them to talk to them is..........


I agree with you. For me it is the same as well. I meant by rules (but i could be wrong of course), not what I think or what my opinion is.

I dislike security orbs just as much as I dislike banlines btw :).

Morwen.
Zed Kiergarten
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02-19-2008 05:36
If someone is trying to cage a person (or whatever) - why not just quit out of SL for a while and come back later. Do they sit there waiting for you to return?

Seems to me the best thing would be to just disappear from SL entirely. Hopefully they haven't found a way to follow you there.
Yuriko Nishi
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02-19-2008 05:41
sitting down ALLWAYS works against push/orbit.
just sit down on a prim, ban that guy from your land, return his crap and forget him.

no need to waste your money for for griefer gadgets to defend yourself.

btw, 24/7 banlines ruin sl
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02-19-2008 05:47
From: Zed Kiergarten
If someone is trying to cage a person (or whatever) - why not just quit out of SL for a while and come back later. Do they sit there waiting for you to return?
Seems to me the best thing would be to just disappear from SL entirely. Hopefully they haven't found a way to follow you there.

Well fine if you want them to have the run of the place and your customers, why not just give them owners status in your land group, find some new land and keep paying the old lands rent for them .............
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Yuriko Nishi
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02-19-2008 05:48
From: Tegg Bode
Hmm, sit down doesn't save you from one combat system I have tested, you can still be caged and orbited.


caged yes, orbited no
Ike Fairweather
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02-19-2008 07:15
From: Yuriko Nishi
sitting down ALLWAYS works against push/orbit.
just sit down on a prim, ban that guy from your land, return his crap and forget him.

no need to waste your money for for griefer gadgets to defend yourself.

btw, 24/7 banlines ruin sl


People complain about banlines, so I think a land owner should be able to defend himself and his land if a griefer is available. Here is a prim example. A friend of mine got married on SL and during the ceremony, there was a griefer who made it rain p*nises (the male sex organ). The wedding planner/land owner was so embarrassed that she kept apologizing while everyone was urging her to ban the griefer. Took her forever to ban the griefer due to her apologizing. Now, due to the land owner's timid nature, if someone orbited the griefer, that would have giving the land owner time to clean up and ban the griefer. Instead, this went on for about 20-30 minutes.

That's why when I had my wedding on SL, it was group access only with the ban lines for everyone else and never had that problem except later on when a griefer crashed the sim. Now, I see it this way, if a land owner is unable to defend himself or his land, then get use to the banlines.
Yuriko Nishi
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02-20-2008 04:09
From: Ike Fairweather
People complain about banlines, so I think a land owner should be able to defend himself and his land if a griefer is available. Here is a prim example. A friend of mine got married on SL and during the ceremony, there was a griefer who made it rain p*nises (the male sex organ). The wedding planner/land owner was so embarrassed that she kept apologizing while everyone was urging her to ban the griefer. Took her forever to ban the griefer due to her apologizing. Now, due to the land owner's timid nature, if someone orbited the griefer, that would have giving the land owner time to clean up and ban the griefer. Instead, this went on for about 20-30 minutes.

That's why when I had my wedding on SL, it was group access only with the ban lines for everyone else and never had that problem except later on when a griefer crashed the sim. Now, I see it this way, if a land owner is unable to defend himself or his land, then get use to the banlines.


banlines are ok. but please take them off when you are not online. a long time ago sl was about exploring too. sit on a jetski and travel around can be fun. but it´s more or less impossible now with everyone having 24/7 banlines. no one will steal you plasma tv from your home when you are not online! :D
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02-20-2008 15:00
From: Yuriko Nishi
no one will steal you plasma tv from your home when you are not online!


are you SURE?
Phreak Flow
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02-21-2008 14:18
Disable Scripts on land only works for the 1st 100 meters.

Just like BAN LINES Turning off scripts is only for the ppl near the ground.

fly above 100 meters and scripts off doesnt matter, you can still use em :)

Are you being attacked at a high altitude?
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