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No Script area's vs. AO's.
Wynter Bracken
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07-15-2009 05:42
Hey guys,

I have a free Sine Wave Over rider where I put my own bought animations in. The thing is, when I go into No script Sim's or area's it does not work - yes I know it's obvious BUT I see other Av's walking on their Over rider's properly; as in their stands work simultaneously and keep going whilst as mine just keeps on the same stand, even when I walk and fly etc...it's the same stand.

Obviously it's not working because of the no script policy on the land, but how come I can see other people with their over riders being normal lol. Is there some sort of other AO that runs even though the land says No Scripts?.

Thanks,

~Wyn
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Nina Stepford
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07-15-2009 05:48
that is strange. i know that the rule is that scripts will not start in no script areas, but scripts already running will continue to run when you enter a nonscript area.
have you tried using your sine anis in something like a freebie frani AO? i use a frani and have never seen it fail in a no script area.
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Nina Stepford
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07-15-2009 05:50
perhaps it matters whether you have walked in from an adjoining parcel rather than tp in?
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Wynter Bracken
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07-15-2009 05:50
Ah, that might be a useful thing.

Can you tell me where to get that from Nina? :). Thanks.
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Nina Stepford
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07-15-2009 05:52
i will send you a few different ones (inc the original) when i log in... maybe an hour from now.
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Wynter Bracken
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07-15-2009 05:54
Aww thank you so much hun :).
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07-15-2009 06:54
The ZHAO2 also works in no-script areas, fyi.
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Yuriko Nishi
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07-15-2009 07:03
it was suggested many times in the past few years that LL builds an ao into the client, that would free sooooo much script load off the servers...

i guess it will never come though -.-
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07-15-2009 07:08
To make a script work in no-script areas:

state_entry { if(llGetAttached()) llRequestPermissions(llGetOwner(), PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS); }
attach(key k) { if(k) llRequestPermissions(llGetOwner(), PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS); }
run_time_permissions(integer p) { if (p & PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS) llTakeControls(CONTROL_FWD, TRUE, TRUE); }
control(key k, integer l, integer e) {}

I'm surprised that there's an AO that doesn't take controls anyway. It makes many movement transitions so much smoother.
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07-15-2009 07:37
From: Argent Stonecutter
To make a script work in no-script areas:

state_entry { if(llGetAttached()) llRequestPermissions(llGetOwner(), PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS); }
attach(key k) { if(k) llRequestPermissions(llGetOwner(), PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS); }
run_time_permissions(integer p) { if (p & PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS) llTakeControls(CONTROL_FWD, TRUE, TRUE); }
control(key k, integer l, integer e) {}

I'm surprised that there's an AO that doesn't take controls anyway. It makes many movement transitions so much smoother.



Oh jeezus you zaney ferret! Where does that gobbley-gook go?!!
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Nina Stepford
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07-15-2009 07:40
i assume only one object can take controls at any time? cos if i could make my wings work in no script areas that would rock.
From: Argent Stonecutter
To make a script work in no-script areas:

state_entry { if(llGetAttached()) llRequestPermissions(llGetOwner(), PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS); }
attach(key k) { if(k) llRequestPermissions(llGetOwner(), PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS); }
run_time_permissions(integer p) { if (p & PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS) llTakeControls(CONTROL_FWD, TRUE, TRUE); }
control(key k, integer l, integer e) {}

I'm surprised that there's an AO that doesn't take controls anyway. It makes many movement transitions so much smoother.
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07-15-2009 07:43
From: Briana Dawson
Oh jeezus you zaney ferret! Where does that gobbley-gook go?!!
In the script! :D

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OK, OK...

There's four event handlers you need to add or modify in every state in the script. Some of the event handlers may already be there, and some of the code may already be there. If you've got a basic knowledge of scripting it's obvious once you look. If you don't... well, this might be a good place to start getting it: you've got a simple set of modifications, they're all tagged by the event they need to be in, and it's pretty easy to tell if you did it right.
From: Nina Stepford
i assume only one object can take controls at any time?
That's the third argument to llTakeControls, whether the controls are passed on to other scripts or not.
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Briana Dawson
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07-15-2009 07:48
Well if you fly up high enough in any No Script zone your scripts turn on anyways.

That is what i do.
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Eli Schlegal
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07-15-2009 07:51
I started a thread about this a couple months ago because I use the sinewave AO and I love it excpet for that annoying detail of not working in no script areas because it doesn't take controls. Viktoria was nice enougth to respond and write a script for me that I just added to the sinewave AO and now it works everywhere like a charm. I just copy and pasted the code part of her reply below into a new script, put the AO on teh ground and dropped the new script in there.

From: Viktoria Dovgal
Yeah, you can do it that way. It's a little ugly to add a script just for that, but if you like the object otherwise, I guess it does the job in a no mod world. This needs to go in the same prim as the scripts that are getting shut down.

CODE

default {
    state_entry(){
        if (llGetAttached()) {
            llRequestPermissions(llGetOwner(), PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS);
        }
    }

    attach(key id) {
        if (id) {
            llRequestPermissions(llGetOwner(), PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS);
        }
    }    

    run_time_permissions (integer perm) {
        if (perm & PERMISSION_TAKE_CONTROLS) {
            // Take all the same controls ALL the scripts in the same
            // object want to use, or SVC-3187 will break them.
            // If none of the other scripts in the object take controls,
            // you don't need to worry about that (and if they do, you
            // probably don't need this little script in the first place).
            llTakeControls(CONTROL_FWD, FALSE, TRUE);
        }
    }
}


You'll want to know that some commercial items are written in a rather paranoid way, and will go so far as to stop or even delete foreign scripts, so if you run into trouble see if the running box is getting unchecked.
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07-15-2009 07:52
This doesn't stop you from having to kickstart the script if you attached it in a no-script zone, but if you teleport or walk into the zone a script that takes controls will *keep* working, one that doesn't will be stopped.

Edit, interesting, I wouldn't have thought that the control-hack was contagious like that. Even better.

If you look at the scripts, by the way, put my code inside a "default {...}" block to make it a complete script... and it and Viktoria's code are almost identical except for variable names and formatting. This is a piece of code that really is so simple and obvious that there is only one way to do it.

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Nina Stepford
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07-15-2009 08:36
awesome. cant wait to fix my wings!
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Galena Qi
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07-15-2009 10:22
In an earlier post, it was stated that a limited number of prims in an object can take the same control. So if you have scripts in 20 prims, you'd need to create 4 variations of the script, each taking a different control. Anyone able to confirm or refute this?

/54/83/320830/1.html
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07-15-2009 10:31
If you have scripts in 20 prims you'll be sorry when they start imposing script limits. :D
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07-15-2009 11:09
Well, that's a thread for the scripting forum (I'm trying to learn lists, really I am!). But I expect there to be major pain felt when those limits are finally imposed.
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07-15-2009 12:11
Just about any attached script I write includes the needed takepermissions lines. Even as a do-nothing... I prefer my scripts to run regardless of where I am. (^_^)

At the same time, I wrote a standalone do-nothing script with takepermissions. For moddable objects I buy with no-mod scipts, I dump that one in and it takes the rest of the scripts for a ride. Even my Chimera and LAWL-poofer will work in Welcome Areas. (^_^)y
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07-15-2009 13:29
From: Galena Qi
In an earlier post, it was stated that a limited number of prims in an object can take the same control. So if you have scripts in 20 prims, you'd need to create 4 variations of the script, each taking a different control. Anyone able to confirm or refute this?

/54/83/320830/1.html

as a side note, if one script in a prim takes controls, they all get to keep working in no script zones

(and sometimes even take controls scripts need to be kick started by flying up, after a TP)
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07-15-2009 14:08
From: Skell Dagger
The ZHAO2 also works in no-script areas, fyi.
So does the original ZHAO.
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07-15-2009 16:18
From: Briana Dawson
Oh jeezus you zaney ferret! Where does that gobbley-gook go?!!

I would assume, at the beginning of the main body of the script, after all the declarations and class definitions....

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07-15-2009 17:37
Does this mean griefer scripts (the main reason people set land to "no script";) can run on "no script" land ?
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From: Cortex Draper
Does this mean griefer scripts (the main reason people set land to "no script";) can run on "no script" land ?
Totally! Child's play! =^-^=

Only for avatar attached scripts, though. Getting around it with a rezzed prim takes another kind of magic. (^_^)y
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