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Raffle for land?

Gummo Zaks
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08-05-2009 16:22
I hold a very pricey piece of land that I don't know what I was thinking when I bought it other than the fact I could. One of the things that has always bothered me about this particular neighbourhood and others like it is how pricey it is and so outta reach L wise for the common 'player' so I was wondering if it was legal for me to raffle it off and if so how would I go about it? Is there a 100% legit system type deal to do such a thing?

Appreciate any feedback
LittleMe Jewell
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08-05-2009 17:34
Unfortunately, that sounds like people paying money into a pot for a chance of winning something of higher monetary value -- which I am pretty sure falls into LL's definition of "gambling" and that is against TOS.


ETA - I am a poor deserving soul. You could sell it to me really really cheap.
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Ciaran Laval
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08-05-2009 17:51
Depends upon how you want to do it, the key elements are pay to enter, winner is selected by chance and the prize has value.

If all three points are met it's a no no.
Gummo Zaks
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08-06-2009 01:35
So how to make it a game of skill like zyngo?
Dawnee Swansong
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08-06-2009 03:22
In the UK, in RL, to make a property raffle legal, all entrants have to correctly answer a question. Would that work in this situation .... anybody?
Clarissa Lowell
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08-06-2009 09:08
From: Gummo Zaks
So how to make it a game of skill like zyngo?


Make it a contest then, not a raffle. Require some type of knowledge.

How about an SL trivia or history contest? (ABOUT Second Life.)
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Gummo Zaks
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08-06-2009 17:29
From: Clarissa Lowell
Make it a contest then, not a raffle. Require some type of knowledge.

How about an SL trivia or history contest? (ABOUT Second Life.)

Good good, but please elaborate how this wold work......I'm a bit dense on these type of things
23rdDjin Negulesco
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08-06-2009 17:37
From: Gummo Zaks
Good good, but please elaborate how this wold work......I'm a bit dense on these type of things



while an SL trivia/history contest is a good idea, without you yourself having the knowledge already, there's always a chance of the contest being "gamed" by whoever sets up the questions and answers for you. not by them winning but rather by a close friend winning. on the plus side, most of it wouldn't be easily googleable like most other trivia would be.
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Gummo Zaks
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08-06-2009 17:44
From: 23rdDjin Negulesco
while an SL trivia/history contest is a good idea, without you yourself having the knowledge already, there's always a chance of the contest being "gamed" by whoever sets up the questions and answers for you. not by them winning but rather by a close friend winning. on the plus side, most of it wouldn't be easily googleable like most other trivia would be.

But would the trivia game be able to have a but in fee? And what declares a winner? Most right? And tie? And my idea of a raffle was due to the fact yes it was a large chunk of L and i'd like to recoup some of it at least while providing some average joe to end up with this parcel for 100L or such
Clarissa Lowell
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08-06-2009 17:50
Have everyone come to an event.

Do not tell anyone beforehand what the contest or questions will consist of.

Ask things that have absolute answers, preferably things that are not easy to google.

Whoever gets the most things right, wins.

Just an idea.
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08-06-2009 17:54
From: Gummo Zaks
But would the trivia game be able to have a but in fee? And what declares a winner? Most right? And tie? And my idea of a raffle was due to the fact yes it was a large chunk of L and i'd like to recoup some of it at least while providing some average joe to end up with this parcel for 100L or such


i'd imagine the rules to win would be up to yourself, as well as tie-breaker, etc.
a raffle, under most circumstances, would be the best bet for fairness, but doesn't seem to be allowed by LL. (wonder if they could hold it FOR you to keep things on the up and up...)

for that matter, anyone know if there's a policy against private party auctions? i'm asking because, doubtless, someone will know off the top of their head without looking it up...
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23rdDjin Negulesco
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08-06-2009 17:54
or:

what Clarissa just said...
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Gabriele Graves
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08-06-2009 18:03
Why not just hold an auction for the land?, these are legal as far as I know.
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08-06-2009 18:04
If in need of Lindens just sell it...if you set a price anything below market the landbots will get it so fast your computer will spin.
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08-06-2009 18:32
I'm not in need of the L and my teir is ok. Honestly I just really don't need another bay city parcel and just thought I would be cool to find a way that someone would have an opportunity to pick it up cheap. But then again they'd probaly just flip it out. Wonder if I can just make free vendor space for new creators or something there. I'd just like to see some good come out of the parcel than just to waste away.
23rdDjin Negulesco
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08-06-2009 18:35
Bay City?!?! i suppose i COULD take it off your hands... :p

maybe rent it out to someone? if that's allowed there... that would be a win-win sitch...
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08-06-2009 18:36
You could always make it an in theme cheap rental property.
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08-06-2009 19:28
Oh heck if it's in Bay City...

I really wouldn't mind running a shop there!
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08-06-2009 19:32
Depending on the price, I would happily buy the plot also :)
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08-06-2009 19:36
See - there you go. End of problem. Lol.

I saw some lots on Bay City and in Docklands by the way and was tempted to buy one...but at 200 USD and up - some wanted much more - and a big tier raise - it was cause for pause.

Why do you not wish to put the lot up for sale? Or was a bidding war or closed bids what you had hoped for, op?
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08-06-2009 19:40
@Clarissa, I agree the only thing that stopped me from getting a Bay city plot was the prices. Fair enough that the lots are double prims and that the area is themed but really the place isn't so great they warrant prices in excess of double the best protected beach/water plots of other mainland.
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Gummo Zaks
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08-06-2009 20:01
i guess everyone missed my point.......I don't want a bidding war or an auction.....I don't need the money....not in a race to dump it..........i was thinking of getting rid of it only becuase 'what the hell do i need it for?' and thought it would be cool to do a raffle type thing so some average joe schmo who doenst have 1000,000 L to throw around and otherwise would never be able to live in bay city per se woukd be able to win it but that seems to be unmanageable so now i'm looking for ways to use the plot as a betterment for the community.
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08-06-2009 20:15
From: Gummo Zaks
i guess everyone missed my point.......I don't want a bidding war or an auction.....I don't need the money....not in a race to dump it..........i was thinking of getting rid of it only becuase 'what the hell do i need it for?' and thought it would be cool to do a raffle type thing so some average joe schmo who doenst have 1000,000 L to throw around and otherwise would never be able to live in bay city per se woukd be able to win it but that seems to be unmanageable so now i'm looking for ways to use the plot as a betterment for the community.


That's a very nice gesture, Gummo. The problem with Joe Schmo "winning" it....is that they may not be able to keep up with the tier fees. Then it just goes back, and it was a nice gesture that lasted only a few weeks. What are the tier fees?

I had given away a dream home several times...huge place, land included, tapped out...but the tier fees were almost 4k a week...and after about 3 weeks, they wanted to give it back. I would take it back then give it away again....same thing....and again. All contestants knew very well what the tier fees were in advance, and I asked them over and over again if they could swing it...but the finalists still stayed in the contest to win....but they couldn't swing it.

Are you cool with giving it away like that, as a nice gesture....then knowing it might be lost by the winner a few weeks later? My deal was that they contact me before they lose it...so that it didn't go to waste, and I could give it away again....but then I kept getting stuck with another batch of tier fees to hold it for the next contest.
Lilliput Little
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08-06-2009 20:20
Hello Gummo,

I have found myself in the same position before and what I've done is turn the parcel into a nice quiet free changing room. Put a nice little building out (no locking doors though!) a few pretty trees, flowers, etc.

I have chatted with a few of the people who use the changing areas and they have said that they appreciate having a low lag private place to change. All I have ever done is list the parcels in search for 30L/wk so that people could actually find them.

Maybe something like that would work for you.
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08-06-2009 22:27
From: Gummo Zaks
i guess everyone missed my point.......I don't want a bidding war or an auction.....I don't need the money....not in a race to dump it..........i was thinking of getting rid of it only becuase 'what the hell do i need it for?' and thought it would be cool to do a raffle type thing so some average joe schmo who doenst have 1000,000 L to throw around and otherwise would never be able to live in bay city per se woukd be able to win it but that seems to be unmanageable so now i'm looking for ways to use the plot as a betterment for the community.



i think we got that part. got it to the point where we kept seeing all the little roadblocks life, people, or SL throw up in a way of preventing it from the ability to be an enjoyable, creative experience. and there really aren't any ways i can think of to have a creative, enjoyable auction online, either. so, with your thoughts about it now, perhaps a public park? benches, paths, maybe even playground equipment...
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