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Should/must I move to Zindra?

Ceera Murakami
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06-17-2009 17:49
From: Marcush Nemeth
I so hope they don't zone any parcel more than 10% into water. There are already way too many blocked waterways in SL from (insert random word here) who build a dock from one side of the river to the other, while LL could simply build a marina and rent slots there, with some slots purposely left open for rezzing vehicles of those who do not have their own permanent slot.

Almost everybody likes water and waterway, and way more could/should be done to cater to that.
Today they finally started re-doing some of the formerly all Linden Protected coastline in the NW corner, and made a few "Special Coastal" and "Coastal Special" parcels. Some have barely enough water to rez a boat in the water. At least one is clearly designed for a long thin pier, with maybe 10% dry land and the rest a narrow strip out into the water. But all of these have a LOT of navicgable water beyond the parcels. Until people started complaining, there was ZERO land that had any water rights at all. Every inch of the coastline was originally "Protected".
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Amity Slade
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06-17-2009 17:57
From: Qie Niangao


Nimue, very good point about Estates being able to provide Adult land, too; in theory, that should limit the "irrational exuberance" in Zindra auction prices (although I wouldn't bet on that).


I wouldn't be on it either. The availability of private estates would serve to keep the Zindra prices down in a healthy market.

However, information doesn't flow very well in SL. Most people in world know about the upcoming changes through the activist groups who are saying that all adult content must be forced to move to the new adult continent. Those who do not follow the forums or can't find the appropriate policies from LL are likely to act on rumor.

Because of the way information about the policy has spread, most people are going to be operating under the incorrect assumption that they must move to Zindra, and not be aware of the private estate alternative. Zindra land will probably be way overvalued in for quite a while.
Amity Slade
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06-17-2009 18:00
From: Whimsycallie Pegler
I am definately going to decide on size and spots I would like. I may only need a little 512 because my primary concern was the BDSM book discussion group we run from our home parcel. I was worried that since it has a group we post to it could be considered advertising.


Linden Lab is only doing land swaps if you are making money on your land.

From the Knowledge Base:

"If you have commercialized adult content or services on your parcel, and are therefore significantly impacted by the introduction of Adult Oriented content controls to Second Life, we'll provide you with land equivalent to your existing parcel(s) on Zindra, free of charge."
Ceera Murakami
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06-17-2009 18:08
From: Amity Slade
I wouldn't be on it either. The availability of private estates would serve to keep the Zindra prices down in a healthy market.

However, information doesn't flow very well in SL. Most people in world know about the upcoming changes through the activist groups who are saying that all adult content must be forced to move to the new adult continent. Those who do not follow the forums or can't find the appropriate policies from LL are likely to act on rumor.

Because of the way information about the policy has spread, most people are going to be operating under the incorrect assumption that they must move to Zindra, and not be aware of the private estate alternative. Zindra land will probably be way overvalued in for quite a while.
However, the Adult Businesses can ONLY swap for land on Zindra. They can not swap for land on a Private Sim. They would have to find a buyer for their now devalued Mature land, and then buy in the Private Sim at the going rate.

If an adult business has 4096M2 now on the mainland, and is lucky enough to get the free move, odds are extremely likely that there will be ZERO additional land in that sim after the moves are over, that can be purchased to allow them to expand, and that speculators will scoop up all those "expansion scraps" and price them insanely. LL has already stated that they will NOT allow people who are getting free moves to purchase additional Zindara land before the auctions open up. The will have to slug it out with the speculators.

The more "rural" areas of Zindra probably won't be as likely a target for the speculators, but I still will bet that they will take every square Meter and jack it up, to milk the people who are denied a free move, but who feel they MUST move to avoid an AR or to remain in business.

Everyone will know about Zindra, and that is where people will look for Adult-rated parcels first, especially if they already favor owning Mainland instead of leasing from another Resident on a Private Island sim. It will be MUCH harder to locate private island sims that have chosen to price themselves reasonably. And there is nothing yet to prevent the speculators from buying all those parcels, too. Sure, the Sim owner may eventually kick the speculator out, but the average resident still won't see an available, reasonably-priced parcel in very many places.

And of course, they are forcing these moves to happen BEFORE they put the changes in place to prohibit bots from being able to use the Auction system...
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Brenda Connolly
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06-17-2009 18:13
From: Amity Slade
Linden Lab is only doing land swaps if you are making money on your land.

From the Knowledge Base:

"If you have commercialized adult content or services on your parcel, and are therefore significantly impacted by the introduction of Adult Oriented content controls to Second Life, we'll provide you with land equivalent to your existing parcel(s) on Zindra, free of charge."

I think a lot of people who are going to be very disappointed. They think they will just put in a ticket and get in line. Like you said, the free swaps are for businesses and other public venues. Regular residents are going to have to show they have a reason to get a swap. Also, Blondin said in one of the threads that LL can look back a certain amount of time to see if you have intentionaly "sexxed up" your land. Just because you want to move doesn't mean you will be allowed to.
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Dekka Raymaker
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06-18-2009 00:41
From: Brenda Connolly
I think a lot of people who are going to be very disappointed. They think they will just put in a ticket and get in line. Like you said, the free swaps are for businesses and other public venues. Regular residents are going to have to show they have a reason to get a swap. Also, Blondin said in one of the threads that LL can look back a certain amount of time to see if you have intentionaly "sexxed up" your land. Just because you want to move doesn't mean you will be allowed to.

That quote would be nice to have referenced for all the people who lose content, for if they do have a window for checking this, which would have to be a month at least for it to be effective, then they can never say again that getting lost inventory back is impossible, all they could say, is we won't do it. But I have seen many say over the past few weeks that Blondin's quotes should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Monalisa Robbiani
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06-18-2009 05:32
IMHO: If most of your money is being made by selling sex (regardless in what way - selling sex poseball falls under that category I'd say) then maybe you should move there (especially if it's free), not because you have to (I think you don't) but because it is where your *customers* will be.
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Mickey Heaney
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06-18-2009 07:05
OK, so I've been standing back and watching this play out and now have a question. In our mainland mall, we have one merchant who sells a variety of things, including several sex beds and some erotic art. Will we be responsible for policing her items, since it is our land? When is the "deadline" if so? Will WE be ARd or will she? Since the items are HERS, but on OUR land, do WE qualify for a partial land swap?
Morgaine Alter
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06-18-2009 07:14
god I am so thinking of this myself right now what will I do.
I think I want the land swap, but they can deny me?
I mean selling a Daniel Craig dild* doesnt qualify?
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