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Scott Savira
Not Scott Saliva
Join date: 10 Aug 2008
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04-20-2009 07:14
From: Bith Wierwight As an artist, I have no sympathy for thieves - er...copyright-infringers. Make something yourselves. Sheesh.
Learn an instrument. Learn to draw. Stop stealing from people who spent a lifetime learning to do it. We are trying to make a living from our skills. Why don't you learn a skill other than the swipe-from-others code. Or "fix" as so you blithely call it. It's not all about corporate money. Most of us are earning nearly nothing so you can steal. It sucks. Honestly, this makes me sick.
So angry I could spit. Give me a freakin' break. These are all fair use, non-profit projects that people did for their personal enjoyment and those of their friends. Besides, there is nothing truly new under the sun, even you as an artist steal ideas from your forefathers. That snapping guitar lick that stuck in your head as a kid, the influence that your favorite bands impress upon you, the ideas you read in stories that others have written. Creating something new is simply taking old ideas and doing new in new, innovative, and creative ways... exactly how most of these videos are doing things. Think outside your box a bit and stop being so damn serious. |
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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04-20-2009 10:59
From: Lord Sullivan LOL i didn't know what to call him, tart, hussy, lucky? Definitely not lucky. I haven't had any takers from the other thread yet. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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04-20-2009 11:03
From: Bith Wierwight Um...there was actually a time on this very planet where one did not steal stuff from others! We didn't crib music for mashups, we didn't steal art for our own "comix." We actually did stuff ourselves. Justify all you want: you steal if you didn't make it. Pretty simple. That was back before Disney released Steamboat Willie, a parody of Buster Keaton's Steamboat Bill, and opened the copyright infringement floodgates. From: Scott Savira Give me a freakin' break. These are all fair use, non-profit projects that people did for their personal enjoyment and those of their friends. Fair Use doesn't mean what you think it means. |
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Void Singer
Int vSelf = Sing(void);
Join date: 24 Sep 2005
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04-20-2009 11:14
hah! the old parking lot in Gibson above one of the largest sections of the sewer! (damn I loved that build, there was an underground subway station behind and to the left in the video, I used to spend so much time there in my refrigerator box watching the power line throw off sparks, illuminating the broken down rail car with flickering actinic light... I miss it so much) (I am SO not joining in yet another debate on IP/patent/copyright/fair-use/public-domain and creators vs consumers rights today)
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Ephraim Kappler
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Join date: 9 Jul 2007
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04-20-2009 11:39
From: Brenda Connolly What would you call a male hussy? A hussar. No, that's not right.... A philanderer? A profligate? A libertine? A womaniser? A masher? A rake? A skirt chaser? A cad? A bounder? A rounder? A debauchee? Seems the practice requires a credible update in modern parlance. |
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Scott Savira
Not Scott Saliva
Join date: 10 Aug 2008
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04-20-2009 12:04
From: Argent Stonecutter
Fair Use doesn't mean what you think it means.
What is your point Argent? Your reply is useless without elaboration. Are you saying the term I used is not the right one, or... are you saying that people aren't legally allowed to chop up bits of a favorite song and make a music video out of it for their friends? I'll venture a guess it's the former... bring on the semantics lesson. What's the correct term, sir? |
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-20-2009 12:12
From: Scott Savira What is your point Argent? Your reply is useless without elaboration.
Are you saying the term I used is not the right one, or... are you saying that people aren't legally allowed to chop up bits of a favorite song and make a music video out of it for their friends? Some of both, actually. There's really no term for what you're talking about, though "Free Culture" seems to have more resonance than "Fair Use". The problem is that we increasingly don't have a free culture, as the law has been turned towards enforcing a permissions/rights culture. And making a remix for your friends is one thing, and *probably* still legal, but posting it to Youtube isn't just sharing it with your friends... it's publishing, and that involves derivative rights and all kinds of technical terms that I'm not going to get into because I'll probably get it wrong. It's a legal nightmare, and intentionally so. But the bottom line is that neither "Fair Use" nor any other similar term makes it legal to use a soundtrack, even a remixed one, in a published work without paying SOMEONE. I'm not even sure at this point whether you're even strictly allowed to publish your own version of someone else's score on Youtube, but that's pretty safe under de minibus. |
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Cito Karu
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Join date: 23 Jul 2008
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04-20-2009 15:49
From: Paulo Dielli Thanks for the suggestion Cito ah no problem, 3 pages of debating, just ignore the haters, that's not what the post was for. Anyhow most people that make machinima especially for showing on youtube do similar. It's a common practice on most machinima sites/or mmorpg vid sites to bypass auto fingerprinting. Just follow my fix on first page and you'll never have a problem. enjoy making vids and using whatever music you please.
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Zim Gunsberg
Just some guy...
Join date: 16 May 2008
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04-20-2009 15:51
From: Ephraim Kappler A philanderer? A profligate? A libertine? A womaniser? A masher? A rake? A skirt chaser? A cad? A bounder? A rounder? A debauchee?
Seems the practice requires a credible update in modern parlance. I cast my votes for Libertine and Cad  |
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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04-20-2009 16:00
From: Argent Stonecutter Some of both, actually. There's really no term for what you're talking about, though "Free Culture" seems to have more resonance than "Fair Use". The problem is that we increasingly don't have a free culture, as the law has been turned towards enforcing a permissions/rights culture. And making a remix for your friends is one thing, and *probably* still legal, but posting it to Youtube isn't just sharing it with your friends... it's publishing, and that involves derivative rights and all kinds of technical terms that I'm not going to get into because I'll probably get it wrong. It's a legal nightmare, and intentionally so.
But the bottom line is that neither "Fair Use" nor any other similar term makes it legal to use a soundtrack, even a remixed one, in a published work without paying SOMEONE. I'm not even sure at this point whether you're even strictly allowed to publish your own version of someone else's score on Youtube, but that's pretty safe under de minibus. Legally speaking one has almost no ability to do anything at all. In the United Kingdom it is technically illegal to copy a CD to one's portable music player. A copyright lawyer once said to me "the only reason that copyright law still exists is because it isn't enforced".
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-20-2009 16:03
From: Ordinal Malaprop A copyright lawyer once said to me "the only reason that copyright law still exists is because it isn't enforced". Which is why there's this huge disconnect between the labels and moviemakers who think they need to embed the letter of the law in their DRM, and the people who are aghast at what that actually implies. |
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Scott Savira
Not Scott Saliva
Join date: 10 Aug 2008
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04-20-2009 22:12
From: Argent Stonecutter Which is why there's this huge disconnect between the labels and moviemakers who think they need to embed the letter of the law in their DRM, and the people who are aghast at what that actually implies. That's also why there are so many people willing to offer hacks and workarounds to circumvent that stuff too. I'm not saying that piracy and theft are right. I use to work as a programmer for a major software company, I didn't like the idea of people stealing my work. However, some of the restrictions are going too far, and I think these hacks exist because people are kicking back against what they perceive as unfair and over-the-top restrictions. People are so overprotective of their creations, they want to lock everything down and keep it trapped in a tight little caged. Freedom is bad. /me looks over the illegal MP3s on his computer. "Ok... so sue me." (wait... don't sue me...) |
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Benski Trenkins
Free speech for the dumb
Join date: 23 Feb 2008
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04-21-2009 01:29
Saw a video on youtube and loved the soundtrack used. At the end of this video the name of the artist was mentioned. i searched on the net for a few more examples and later went out and bought the cd.
i would never know this artist if i didn't stumble on this video.
copyrights ok, but it's been taken way too far.
i buy a dvd and invite friends to come watch it... Or i play music so loud everyone can enjoy... According to many, that makes of a Dangerous outlaw.
too funny.
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