Ridiculous audio mute by YouTube

Sure you shouldn't infringe copyright, but YouTube is taking it too far. I've just made an SL video, only for a friend, and used a pop song as background music. This song I've copied from an original CD. YouTube won't play the song, mutes the audio, because of copyright infringement. This is a new 'feature' since january this year I believe. You can submit a dispute claiming fair use, and I did. Music is playing now, but is still 'under investigation' (dispute submitted).

But I wonder. I've shortened the song in an audio program, cut off pieces, saved it as wav, later mp3, and gave it a new name. But it is still seen by YouTube as the original song and therefore muted. I don't understand. How does YouTube recognize this entirely new wav as the original song? Some kind of wave fingerprint? It is totally over the top. Heck, I even bought the original CD.

This thread is about SL *nods*

Anyway, Youtube has designed there system to where they don't even have to worry about copyright disputes. They act first. This way they save themselves a lot of money.

You can't blame em.

There is a way around it. What happens if you straight up mix the track into the video that track can be digitally read to see the title.

See this program I use to cheat radio contest "name this song"
http://www.wildbits.com/tunatic/

^^ That works wonderfully btw, and I have won lots of contest in virtual worlds and rl radio stations using that program.

Ok so to beat it.

Take the track into a half decent audio editing program ( I use adobe audition) anyhow to an amplify on it 1db is fine, then add a subaudible track of alpha noise.

now digital fingerprinting will not pick up on the track and auto tracking software cannot correctly identify the track. Only way is a real live person listening to it now.

takes like an extra 10 secs to add then upload your pieces back to youtube and have no fear.

for example I made 2 old really sucky dark age of camelot videos both on video.google.com and youtube couple years ago. No, I no longer play that game but as proof of concest I did that same trick to bypass digital fingerprinting. And the vids have been up for looooong time.

here's my old old youtube vid as proof using popular songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_6kZC4KdGY

bypassing the automatic detection software by raising 1 db and adding a subaudible alpha wave to the mix

have fun

As Dante said, I'm not sure what this has to do with SL, but I'll respond anyway.
Youtube had plenty of lawyers breathing down their necks from the TV networks, record companies, etc. The amount they would have to pay out if they lost in court would be astronomical. I'm sure your video was nice, but would you take that kind of chance?

read my post for the easy fix, and what the majority of youtubers are doing now even the video bloggers to bypass that auto fingerprinting.

As an artist, I have no sympathy for thieves - er...copyright-infringers. Make something yourselves. Sheesh.

Learn an instrument. Learn to draw. Stop stealing from people who spent a lifetime learning to do it. We are trying to make a living from our skills. Why don't you learn a skill other than the swipe-from-others code. Or "fix" as so you blithely call it. It's not all about corporate money. Most of us are earning nearly nothing so you can steal. It sucks. Honestly, this makes me sick.

So angry I could spit.

Don't try to bypass youtube's rules.

That just makes you a douche. Plain and simple.

It's not like you have to use youtube, put your junk videos elsewhere.

Yep next time you think on a Saturday night using WoW, CoH or SL characters to do a humorous skit to the soundtrack of "Sex Bomb" or "Cops" or even a skit dressed as Stormtroopers,forget it, because it's destroying artists lives and the music industry, evil and against the law to do so, contact the artists & company to arrange contracts and payment of the appropriate royalities first, or use your own band/scripts/sci-fi series/actors/platform to make it

Stop taping your favorite TV shows to watch them later, actors and network executives are starving because of that sort of illegal practice. If you want a second copy of song to listen to in your your walkman or car buy a second CD too.

If there were meant to be sendups of "Thriller" on YouTube, Sony and Micheal jackson would have done it themselves. Death to all the Weird Al Yankovics and comedy shows too taking off other peoples ideas, while we're at it lets stop spreading other peoples jokes around too without the creators recognition and royalties

Go Grinches, GO!

Um...there was actually a time on this very planet where one did not steal stuff from others! We didn't crib music for mashups, we didn't steal art for our own "comix." We actually did stuff ourselves. Justify all you want: you steal if you didn't make it. Pretty simple.

Maybe just my opinion, but it seems to me that the music industry is just plain evil.

They've grown fat off the artists by making them pay for their promotion and taking ownership of their work. They got away with it because they controlled the technology and distribution.

Then, about 10 years or so ago, a college student figured out how to make it easy to share digitized music. And things were great for file sharers until they crucified Shawn Fanning for our sins. (I hears he's doing great now.)

I spent an afternoon with my daughters a few months ago introducing them to old TV shows and music I was able to find on the wonderful archive of entertainment history on YouTube. I easily found all sorts of clips of all sorts of music, people, film and TV.

I agree that artists deserve to be paid for their labor. But I also believe there must be other ways to accomplish that than the corrupt music industy. And it's criminial to destroy a fantastic resource like YouTube.

Jonathon Coulton manages it. And I'll bet he loves YouTube and everyone turning his music into machinima

Yep there was a time where we sat in caves without laughing too.
And actually there's a damn lot of such pious art that steals from comics.............

I guess George Lucas 's kids are starving because of stuff like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wGR4-SeuJ0

And look the party poopers have already got to this Xmas lights video, sure is great to watch a persons creative efforts now isn't it, next time he wants to entertain people he should learn to play some instruments himself or hire an orchestra.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qaIjJ44tcg

Gary Gyrax would roll in his grave at this,.........laughing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05Z0lbv2zs8

The Law itself isn't safe either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWyYhGwXNLo

Or Politicians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lGxFx1kyj4&feature=related

Oh look someone using a lack of creativity in SL illegally to copy Micheal Jackson, costing him sales.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=memW5zjGyFs

And what would Boyonce think of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJlPEHL85Ig

What in SL isn't copied or inspired by someone elses worki?

So what is your point. Stealing if we mock people is okay? Because it's all about the lolz? None of your links makes a grown-up argument. Are you okay with stealing if its teh l;uxz it Pwnz??. Oh because that is so teh cool.

Ha, got no sense of humour have you at all, sorry but your resorting to net speekezz doesn't make you any more credible either kid

Yeah everytime you do anything unoriginal it's stealing visit the real world sometime not your world where to create your own house you have to grow your own wood and forge your own nails...........................

To tell a joke about "One Stormtrooper said to the other Stormtrooper........" you will need to pay George Lucas royalties or you are stealing his work.

If the creators on YouTube were making money from this stuff you'd have a valid arguement, but they aren't, they are just creating entertainment for others, and yes life is about laughs, not being bound to a chair by trivial facetious legal bullcrap.

That's what's grinding civilisation to a halt, millions of people devoting their lives to shuffling paper and legal crap about, instead of actually providing a useful service or making stuff. People so focused on trivial legal crap and suing each other are the reason we have Safety Risk Assesments being done on ball point pens in the workplace and Standard Operating Proceedures being written for them incase someone pokes themselves with the pointy end

Another solution would be to not upload it to YouTube. That way it's "only for a friend" and no one else gets involved.

When uploading a video to YouTube, there is this nifty little option that prevents every Tom, Dick and Harry from being able to view the video .... it's called setting it to "Private" and selecting which twenty or so of your friends with an account there get to view it.

Now if they'd make it so such uploads do not even appear in search ... the problem would be wholly solved.

And Billy boy (The one ATTEMPTING to argue with Tegg)? Sorry, but there was NEVER a time when ANYONE (except VERY few inventors and the like) created or came up with their own idea and used a skill they just learned to make use of their idea. Just about EVERYTHING in the Real World has come about thanks to others doing a bit of work .... and still more piggybacing off of that work.

Get. Over. It.

Then show me ONE 'musician' that is actually harmed by someone using a track for some video on ANY site that does not require payment.

Thanks for the suggestion Cito. By the way (I forgot to mention) the video is of course about SL. And for the record: I have bought the original CD many years ago and have it on my desk in front of me right now. I am a musician myself but just wanted to use the pop song because it fits the video perfectly. Besides, I only play the guitar and I'm not a one man band. The reason that I want to have it on YouTube is because I have an in-world TV in SL on which I'd like to watch the video together with my partner.

So in short: there is no question of theft here. I paid for the music many years ago, when CD's were even more expensive then they are now, the video has no commercial purpose and I don't gain profit in any way from it. It's simply a home video about a relationship in SL. That is also the reason why I submitted the dispute claiming fair use. But still, I was stunned about this copyright issue, that's why I asked.

It's not a question of show me this or show me that. If someone else's music is used for entertainment, which I understand the piece in question is, then, according to law, royalties must be paid unless it is out of copyright - otherwise it's theft. And it doesn't make any difference how much of it goes on or what the majority of people would prefer.

It's no different to creations in SL. If the creator of an item chooses not to release it for free, then anyone making a reproduction of it is stealing it. I'm talking about copybot type programmes and not about making something to emulate the original. It's strange how people get get up in arms about how wicked content theft is, but seem to defend the theft of music. Very strange.

But.....but....

what if I'm just singing in the shower? Do I have to call Sting and get permission? Oh, hey wait a minute......maaaaybe Sting... in the shower with me... wouldn't be so bad after all......


But seriously....this is a forum about SL.....not youtube. And if we're gonna have a copyright discussion.....there's plenty of fodder in SL to keep us busy for weeks!

If someone else can hear and enjoy it - definitely. Let me know when it's happening and I'll come over to judge whether or not it's entertainment. But I'm a little hard of hearing, so I'll need to get *really* close

You still have ownership of your product. Nothing was stolen. Or do you claim to own the thoughts in people's head as well? Once you put something out in public everyone who hears it then owns a copy.

Actually, I think that royalty payment may go to the Estate of Adolf Hitler.

*whips off her pants and waves them in salute.

*snort* /me chokes on morning coffee, sending it spewing all over the monitor...

You are being such a hussy today lol what with your pregnancy service now this But i do agree with your earlier post the ones doing this are the first to complain if they get copy botted and they also forget that its YouTube's website and therefore YouTubes rules

Now stop being a Male hussy

What would you call a male hussy? A hussar. No, that's not right....

LOL i didn't know what to call him, tart, hussy, lucky?