Men In Restricted All Lady Sites

I think to have a place for all men is perfectly fine, as a matter of fact me an a friend were talking about this the other day. A place free of women men could go and talk and just share that male bonding thing. No women allowed!

But when you eliminate allowing gays or lesbians or any ethnic nationality yes that is discrimination and NO I do NOT agree is it fine. That is definantly discrimination.

I think you added some words to make sense to put a reply into what I say, I NEVER said i treated them diffrently. I do not. So stop thinking you know me what i am about or how I treat people cause you dont.

Whoa throttle back. I'm not trying to accuse you of anything. I got mixed messages from your post.

It's a serious question. (and related to an earlier post I made, actually).

If you and your friends sit back and decide who is a rl guy in a female av, and who isn't. Do you have the same conversation with that av that you would have with any other new av there? For argument's sake, lets assume that person is trying to "blend", and not just be an asshat.



What exactly is it that they get? These avatars identified as "guys in drag".

It happens to other groups too, I have been "asked to leave" clubs because often I am a furry neko or vampire (not a spampire!!!)

While I agree gender only clubs can be seen as discrimintory saying everyone there is a lesbian is like saying every woman in a RL ladies only gym is a lesbian. I would say in the "ladies only" club I work at 75% of the girls are straight. Many (including myself) are married and have children in RL.

Most like to hang out there because the conversation is entertaining, the music is great and there are no guys waving prim dicks in your face going "*****SEX??*****"

This thread is making an otherwise boring hump day interesting. Personally, I have never been questioned about my gender. They figure it out and correctly at that. Never have I have been asked to go "voice" to prove my gender. One told me he knew I was a woman because it took me so long to get ready to go somewhere and I change my outfits constantly till I decide what to wear. LMAO.

I don't frequent women "only" places because it's not my cup of tea not even out of curosity. Now, I would hope people do respect that requirement as I do. But, some are there innocently because they didn't see the sign. Like a previous posting said, if they had some notecard from a greeter advising this that should alleviate this problem. Too bad there is not STD that one can send to the morons with their members out asking for a hump. Now that would be hillarious.

Frankly, I find this concept odd. I've been to the Changing Room, not as Talon obviously but as a female alt just shopping(or is she the primary and am I the alt? Whoa) and I didn't see a thing going on there that doesn't go on at any other non-discrimatory store. Indeed, past all the "no men allowed" signs there's actually a tper to a "men's" store which I found highly ironic. So, no "men" are allowed but there's a tper for "women" to tp to a "men's" store in the same sim. Interesting logic there... So the "women" need to be protected from the presumably leering "men" but the "men" aren't afforded the same courtesy from the "women?" Yeah, that's some truly interesting logic there. In the end I didn't buy anything because I just cannot reward this sort of nonsensical thinking as either a man or a woman.

I don't know if anyone else noticed this... but at Burning Life there was a camp made by a lesbian group that was located in the northern-most sim on the east side. There were signs marking it as "Female Only". I walked through it before I realized what it was and I was asked to leave by a couple of female avatars that were standing around there. I thought it was pretty hilarious that someone would build an exhibit that excluded certain people at an event that was all about "radical inclusion" and "everyone can participate". I guess they didn't read up on burning life / burning man before they planned out their build.

In one sense you're right...we are just cartoons, and whether someone is looking up my skirt or down your BVDs should make no difference.

But observing the RL "proprieties" makes sense on two levels...

First, the phenomenon of immersion that we've discussed before. Your SL avatar can feel like "you". Things done to your avatar can affect how you feel. I was once adjusting my appearance on a pose stand. Granted, it was in public...but a bizarre zombie/vampire/creepazoid av came up to me and groped me before I had a chance to react. No big deal, you say...but I *felt* violated.

Second, realism. Having features like changing rooms, display counters, mannequins, and other RL accoutrements makes a store feel more "real". We could do the same thing...find stuff to buy, and buy it...on a website. But that is not the only point of the exercise.

Finally, there may be a practical reason why nobody worries about the girls ogling the guys in clothing stores. In SL, when you are trying on pants, you are either not wearing your Little Friend, or he's invisible. So, there's nothing to ogle there...Ken. Besides, speaking only for myself, I get more turned on by a bare, muscular torso than by stuff lower down. And I don't have to hang around a changing room to see THAT.

All very good points Lindal.

Sometimes our avatars can seem so much a part of "us" that our RL proprieties show through.

Of course, with how easy it is to change your avatar. And the abilities for camming. Any sense of modesty is very illusory.

Most women I know just grab demos and head back to their own places when possible, where it is at least a little easier to control access.

/me makes a note to keep his shirt on around Lindal...for his own good.

Perhaps you should have hit on them instead, then at the right time equiped a "ezite she-male" attachment and ask him to "assume the position"
Or just as things are heating up, say "brb, I just got to put the grandkids to bed"

lol, Ricardo has no sympathy for the plight of the Neko...he'd probably appreciate a list of clubs that keep us out.

There is real no way to keep certain genders out 100 percent in any place.
There are very convincing indivuals who are women or men here that
may not be that way as their birth genders, transgender nor transsexual either.
From what little I have gathered in virtual lesbian and gay scene here its joke.
There is no way to make sure 100 percent if the person has correct sex organs either
that you desire.
The only 100 percent way to be safe is don't have sex or undress anywhere
you might seen in SL unless you have private island and only have people
you know from real life there.
Personally what gets to me the most is Lesbian places that welcome
intersexed, hermaphrodites or transsexuals individuals providing they are all female
as if those people are all female.
It sort of sign that they aren't very educated about real hermaphrodites or interesexed people or even clue what that transsexuals can be Men too. Most likely a sign run by men with certain types of fantasies geared towards women and women with male sex organs,
it rarely or never involves women who look like men which is perfect okay and in their
right to do but don't try to be inclusive then and say are all welcome, then say you
only want women there.

First, I knew someone would make the "someone might do something to violate someone or make them feel uncomfortable" argument. My counterargument is simple, by banning all men from the store you are in essence saying they are all potential violators without any proof except their appearance. How do you think that makes them feel? Violated would be a good word for it. Treated as a second class citizen for no reason other than pure prejudice would be another. That rubs me the wrong way, for obvious reasons, and is actively hostile towards people that might be paying customers...if you weren't busy banning them on sight. That's not the way I'd run a business, but whatever.

Second, realism? Really? So there are clothing stores IRL that would deny me admittance on the basis of my gender?

Finally, you yourself just said that you find naked torsos more arrousing than prim male bits. So you've basically negated your own argument that no one should care about women ogling men who are in the process of changing. I stand by my assertion, this double standard is absurd.

I want a list of Neko friendly clubs...

I still remember the night I was dancing with a friend at a club and some girl ports in.. the hostess say "Hi! come over dance" to her and she replies "Oh I would except there is some big creepy cat thing on the dance floor! what is it??" ... took me a minute to realize she ment me.... It really upset me to think someone who didnt know me from adam would make such hurtful comments in open chat.

We have several regualrs who are TG / TS who use male or butch avatars, but want to hang out with female av's in SL. We even have a special group tag for them to use so they wont be hassled by other staff who may not be aware of thier choice or situation.

I personally wouldn't be interested in that, nor would those
I know who aren't out about that here.
Nor would I go to place where I had to wear a special tag sharing
my personal business so I could attend.
I am open here about who I am and those I am involved with
on regular basis in SL and I don't hide who I am here but you can't kill me in sL and
also very few people here know my real life address or name either.
There is lot of us who just don't discuss things openly with anyone except
those we know. I may be probably exception but most just don't want others
to know, because they cease to be who they present themselves to be in eyes
of those around them.
I am out here but not in real life for this reason. I wouldn't want people to know in
my first life but here I make exceptions but I don't I hang out in woman's clubs, either.
Not every TS/TG person has interest in looking, being, acting female or taking advantage of others as female, or even sex. And there are women who want to be Gay Men here be it for the fantasy in same way straight guys pass themselves pass themselves off as lipstick lesbians or because they are female to male tg and ts in real life and they don't want others to know nor feel they owe a explanation or need to tell anyone about this here.
It isn't about dishonesty either, its privacy and fantasy, they don't feel obligated to tell you things about their real life.

Shhh!!!!

He's probably the WebMaster

Barring access to a location, or ejecting/banning people based solely on their gender (or the inferred gender of their avatar), may be grounds for an Abuse Report, under the Intolerance heading.

Ugh, I've happily never had anyone be that rude to me, even when I was wearing one of my Neko, rather than human, skins. I'm sorry you did.

There are a lot of parties and gatherings on Anarchy island, which is owned by a friend of mine. I know that kind of behavior isn't tolerated there, so you should consider dropping by some time when the green dots are plentiful.

I would have gone over, rubbed against her purring, then make poopie on her shoes.

Eewww. Kyllie, I'm sure this policy is well meant, but it sounds like a subtle form of discrimination to me. ("Ah...you're Jewish, yes? Wear this armband please...".