Morals, rules and GLIntercept

I have permission of a content creator to use GLIntercept and the OGLE addon to download a series of of their creations then I can edit them. Said sculpties are already full perm and purchased. Creations I will be making wont be for resale and will only be used to construct my business shop outlet.

Since I have this permission before hand, what would LL's standpoint on my using GLIntercept in this instance if I can prove said permission as writtain permission?

I want to make sure I wont get banned if some one comes along and see's the prims, thinks I ripped the creator off and AR's me.

Why not just get the maps from the creator and save to drive?

If you have the written permission or hold the copyright on something outright, all those extraction tools are allowed. They are only a problem when the permission isn't there.

But, why are you being asked to grab this material from in world? That would make me suspicious about the seller's own rights to this stuff. Don't they have the original textures or models to send you through email or something?

The product came full perm, I brought it want to mod it. Creator doesnt want to give me the source files purely because of the size but said he doesnt mind me downloading and modifying it.

The sculpts are in the file but... ... I dont know how to import the sculpt map files in an editor. I currently have Maya, 3DS Max and Blender. The third of which I cant stand. So if you can shine some light on how to import the sculpt map onto either Maya or 3DS I will love you =3

That doesn't make any sense... the sculptmaps would have been uploaded lossless so all they'd have to do is hand you a copy of the texture inventory items full permission and then you File / Save Texture As.

LL also doesn't care whether you have consent (or if you even do)... it's not in any position to be able to judge that.

The creator would file a DMCA on you, LL removes the content, you'd have to counter-file (since you believe you have a valid license) and LL - eventually - reinstates the content.

I'm biting my tongue as I respond but "if" the creator had the originals and "if" you bought them with full permissions, I truly fail to see why they would not email or make them available to you. As for "what the Lindens would do", after reading the guidelines regarding tools and IP rights, if you were still unclear it would be in your best interest to file a support ticket asking for clarity, and at the same time covering your butt. Odd that you're more familiar with GLintercept and Ogle than Blender. However...if you search for Blender in the Building Tips sub-forum you will find your answer for importing the map into those other programs.

Even if you capture the sculpt map with GLi, you will still only have a graphic file which will have to be imported into an editor. You will not be getting an object file. (oops, guess you will).

Edit: Unfamiliar with OGLE...

yeah ...all geometry and all textures within his draw distance...lovely

Something is wrong with this picture somewhere.

Own land

3950m in the air

64m draw distance

female


Ive used GL Intercept in other enviroments, never used the OGLE addon for it but Im familiar with what it does. And again. I can save the sculpt map via opening it and downloading it, and as previously stated, I do not know how to edit it. So if some one feels like directing me towards a url describing such matters, I would greatfully appreciate it.

Also I didnt say I wasnt familiar with blender, only that I couldnt stand it. Its an awefull programme to use.

One more thing. Ive done nothing ilegal, Im doing nothing ilegal, permission is clearly writain in an IM which will have been logged on the second life server for security instances. permission saying they clearly dont mind me using intercept on the products. So I would prefer no - half snarky nore full snarky comments. Oh and for humours sake. If I was doing this illegally.... Who in their right mind would post it on the forums infront of every ones eye's including numerous Lindens on their main for 3 years.

And a note to the usefull information so far. Thank you very much =3

I can only think of one 'legit' reason to use it, and that is to recover stuff you lost accidentally.

However, a texture or sculpt creator that does not have back-up copies of their work would sound a bit careless to me.

If I spend hours on a specific texture or sculpt, you can count on it, that I have a back-up somewhere in case I loose SL inventory or my comp crashes.

Im not the one that created it. I want to edit it. Ive already said this. I want to be able to cut half of it off.... Ive atempted to do it by just modifying the texture but it causes alpha clipping... Dear god does no one read... It is perfectly ligit. I have permission to do this off the creator. I just wanted to know if LL would still ban me if some third party would report me even though the person who made it gave me permission.

Me snarky? Naw....if I wanted to do that I'd do it on my alt ...why tarnish my main character

Import the sculpt maps into Blender using Primstar from Domino Marama, then export the model to whatever format you want then open with Max or Maya. Simple no?

Ah thank you very much. That way I dont need to worry about using GL Intercept.... OGLE or people who jump to conclusions and think your an evil person wanting to rip off every one on second life.

Thanks =3

I wish people would stop mentioning names of copying software in these forums.Alot of thiefs are stupid thats why they steal and you lot keep teaching them how.

Right. It took me all of 2 mins to find out how on google.. I typed a simple question and I got all the information I needed to "steal" what ever I wanted from second life. I will never steal because it would make me a - forgive my lack of spelling skills - a hipocrit.

So. If the information is so readily available on google. Whats the problem with discussing it here, its no easier/harder to find. Plus discussing it here makes more people that need to be aware of these methods, aware of them.

There are people that do not want the truth known as to the extent of looting in Second Life.
I know I am still disturbed about the vast numbers of cryolife detections across the grid. All those that were trying to convince people it was a small problem were either oblivious or intentionally attempting to conceal information. LL could deal with it if they wanted to.

Ive no idea what CryoLife is :/ *goes to google that too*

I dont know what the extent of duping goods in SL is, but I know what it is like to have something stolen. Im an artist and a musician, while I was in college I found some one plagiarizing some of my work and it was very hurtfull.. Its something Id never want to put some one through my self.

I find taking some ones work and improving on it then passing it on, as long as their name is credited is fine. I dont care what the law says, thats my belief. What I believe is wrong though is passing it on with out any change as their own or profiting off either of the above without consent.

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Le-sigh.... Another one. -_-

How many is "vast numbers" in this case, and is there any way of knowing if it's "vast numbers" of individual users or a rather smaller number of individuals who're using a lot of disposable alts, whom they discard on being rumbled? I just ask because I have no idea of any of the numbers involved.

I don't think anyone called YOU an evil person. The suspicion here is falling mainly on the "creator" who won't give you the stuff he/she "created" but is asking you to rip it instead. This leads to some question as to whether they truly ARE the creator, you see.

because discussing it here makes people aware that didnt even know it was possible in 1st place so wouldnt have google it cos they hadnt even thought about it.

After you been in sl a while you will realise that alot of dumb people out there dont have an imagination .
Every idea I have ever brought to sl has been copyed.

And I can guarentie you you have made people that didnt know about this program aware it excists now 100% end of.

Actually even im bad I should have just tryed to let the thread die.

the software itself brings those reactions. Face it: you will break rules unless you are only surrounded by stuff that you have permissions for to copy. The program does what it is build for. Including copying the clothing, skin and even ground textures that are within your drawdistance.

Keep that in mind. You do not select what you want or not. It gets copied anyways.

And yes I also agree that naming those programs is a bad idea. Thieves read forums too, no need to make it easier for them than it already is.

Theoretically, it wouldn't be illegal to use this software to make a copy of things which you have express permission to copy.

However, this software grabs everything that comes into your connection. You are unable to target specific objects. So you would have to arrange a parcel in which there were no content you were not permitted to copy at all anywhere within your draw distance; otherwise, you are doing some unauthorized copying.

Further, it would be nearly impossible I'd think to avoid grabbing graphic elements of the SL interface, and other SL graphics that are integral and everywhere.

So theoretically you could do it legally and without violating any rules. Practically, it doesn't seem that you can. Of course, if you do it anyway, you'll get away with it and no one will catch you (assuming you delete the intercepted files you don't need and don't share them around). I assume though that you asked the question not as an indirect way to figure out how you might be caught if you do it, but that you actually care about doing the right thing.

There's a free plugin for 3DS Max called prim composer (I think). This will let you import a sculpt texture, edit it as an object then export it as a new sculpt texture.

I agree, what this merchant has asked you to do sounds a bit dodgy, not to mention quite a lot of messing around! Ask him/her to just email the texture.

Actually I say tell all the would be thieves about GLintercept. If that's becomes the tool of choice for texture ripping then I would guess we would see an exponential drop in ripped textures showing up in thief stores as it they will be spending months trying to sort through all the crap it fills their drives with. Go for it wannabe content thieves! GLIntercept is the way to go.