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Darien Caldwell

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07-23-2008 11:50

I don't think confirmation should be required for sales of objects and items. But I see no harm in a confirmation on direct Avatar to Avatar money exchanges.

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Gabriele Graves

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07-23-2008 18:28

From: Pserendipity Daniels

That is how money laundering usually works . . .

Pep (Don't know US legislation but in the UK you could even potentially be locked up for not informing the authorities of attempts to pay you money)

Just because there is a law, does not mean it ain't a crazy law

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Gabriele Graves

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07-23-2008 18:37

From: Darien Caldwell

I don't think confirmation should be required for sales of objects and items. But I see no harm in a confirmation on direct Avatar to Avatar money exchanges.

If someone wants to give me money whilst I am offline then I would not want to have them wait until I accepted. No the current method works well, if you don't want the money give it back straight away. LL looking at transactions will see that no addition benefit was gained during the transfer and no one will think you guilty of anything.
I think the issue is that the OP wants someone to give them a good guilt and risk free reason to keep the money, as giving it back requires no procrastination, guilt or risk at all.

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Peggy Paperdoll

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07-23-2008 21:41

I give my alt money all the time............she's a freeloader for heavens sake.

Tabliopa Underwood

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07-24-2008 02:42

From: Peggy Paperdoll

I give my alt money all the time............she's a freeloader for heavens sake.

Can I be your alt please. I've been put on an allowance and I've spent it already

Not really

Pserendipity Daniels

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07-24-2008 03:17

From: Gabriele Graves

Just because there is a law, does not mean it ain't a crazy law

Jut because it is a crazy law doesn't mean you can't be locked up.

Pep (Not liking it doesn't make it not so)

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Darien Caldwell

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07-24-2008 12:28

From: Gabriele Graves

If someone wants to give me money whilst I am offline then I would not want to have them wait until I accepted. No the current method works well, if you don't want the money give it back straight away. LL looking at transactions will see that no addition benefit was gained during the transfer and no one will think you guilty of anything.
I think the issue is that the OP wants someone to give them a good guilt and risk free reason to keep the money, as giving it back requires no procrastination, guilt or risk at all.

I'm sorry but your argument is weak. Object transfers have confirmation, and making people wait for those hasn't caused anyone any grief or harm. I don't see why it would make any difference with Lindens.

If it wasn't for the fact that LL arbitrarily bans accounts and confiscates Lindens with no recourse based on their own whims, I might agree. But I think having this kind of safeguard against LL's capricious nature would be good.

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Cael Merryman

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07-24-2008 13:39

From: Sassy Romano

Well you will have to explain merely restoring virtual account balances and money laundering to me since it's hardly the same as being given physical fake notes and giving back real ones.

Money laundering in its pure form doesn't have anything to do with fake notes. It is making a legitimate transaction with money from illegal sources (or provifing the money in some semi-legal manner) and receiving money back in a legal and related, but primarily staged transaction, thus providing a legal source for funds, which can then be openly declared. In long term strategies, it could be making incremental investments in legal, profitable businesses with the payouts being completely above board. I'm guessing if you have mob investors, you tend to pay out regular dividends...

Money laundering in the short term really requires related parties, which is why LL would suspend both accounts if it is suspected.

Gabriele Graves

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07-24-2008 14:12

From: Darien Caldwell

I'm sorry but your argument is weak. Object transfers have confirmation, and making people wait for those hasn't caused anyone any grief or harm. I don't see why it would make any difference with Lindens.

If it wasn't for the fact that LL arbitrarily bans accounts and confiscates Lindens with no recourse based on their own whims, I might agree. But I think having this kind of safeguard against LL's capricious nature would be good.

Well I don't believe I was putting forward an argument so much as an opinion and the way I see it is current way works well, I see no strong reason to change it personally. I am a firm believer in if somethings works well then there has to be a compelling reason to change it.

Doing what is suggested provides no safe guards against LL's nature, they can simply do as they please, just as they always have done. As a company providing services they are under no obligation to continue those services to you, they can terminate them at any time for *no* reason at all, adding an extra blue dialog asking do you really want to accept this money is not going to change that at all.

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Kitty Barnett

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07-24-2008 14:47

From: Darien Caldwell

Object transfers have confirmation

Actually, they don't. Whether you decline or accept the object will end up in your inventory either way, it's just a matter of whether it ends up in Objects (or Animations, Textures, etc) or your trash bin.

There is no way to truly refuse offered inventory.

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Darien Caldwell Registered User Join date: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,127	07-23-2008 11:50 I don't think confirmation should be required for sales of objects and items. But I see no harm in a confirmation on direct Avatar to Avatar money exchanges. _____________________
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	07-23-2008 18:28 From: Pserendipity Daniels That is how money laundering usually works . . . Pep (Don't know US legislation but in the UK you could even potentially be locked up for not informing the authorities of attempts to pay you money) Just because there is a law, does not mean it ain't a crazy law _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	07-23-2008 18:37 From: Darien Caldwell I don't think confirmation should be required for sales of objects and items. But I see no harm in a confirmation on direct Avatar to Avatar money exchanges. If someone wants to give me money whilst I am offline then I would not want to have them wait until I accepted. No the current method works well, if you don't want the money give it back straight away. LL looking at transactions will see that no addition benefit was gained during the transfer and no one will think you guilty of anything. I think the issue is that the OP wants someone to give them a good guilt and risk free reason to keep the money, as giving it back requires no procrastination, guilt or risk at all. _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Peggy Paperdoll A Brat Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 4,383	07-23-2008 21:41 I give my alt money all the time............she's a freeloader for heavens sake.
Tabliopa Underwood Registered User Join date: 6 Aug 2007 Posts: 719	07-24-2008 02:42 From: Peggy Paperdoll I give my alt money all the time............she's a freeloader for heavens sake. Can I be your alt please. I've been put on an allowance and I've spent it already Not really
Pserendipity Daniels Assume sarcasm as default Join date: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,839	07-24-2008 03:17 From: Gabriele Graves Just because there is a law, does not mean it ain't a crazy law Jut because it is a crazy law doesn't mean you can't be locked up. Pep (Not liking it doesn't make it not so) _____________________ Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Darien Caldwell Registered User Join date: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,127	07-24-2008 12:28 From: Gabriele Graves If someone wants to give me money whilst I am offline then I would not want to have them wait until I accepted. No the current method works well, if you don't want the money give it back straight away. LL looking at transactions will see that no addition benefit was gained during the transfer and no one will think you guilty of anything. I think the issue is that the OP wants someone to give them a good guilt and risk free reason to keep the money, as giving it back requires no procrastination, guilt or risk at all. I'm sorry but your argument is weak. Object transfers have confirmation, and making people wait for those hasn't caused anyone any grief or harm. I don't see why it would make any difference with Lindens. If it wasn't for the fact that LL arbitrarily bans accounts and confiscates Lindens with no recourse based on their own whims, I might agree. But I think having this kind of safeguard against LL's capricious nature would be good. _____________________
Cael Merryman Brain in Neutral Join date: 5 Dec 2007 Posts: 380	07-24-2008 13:39 From: Sassy Romano Well you will have to explain merely restoring virtual account balances and money laundering to me since it's hardly the same as being given physical fake notes and giving back real ones. Money laundering in its pure form doesn't have anything to do with fake notes. It is making a legitimate transaction with money from illegal sources (or provifing the money in some semi-legal manner) and receiving money back in a legal and related, but primarily staged transaction, thus providing a legal source for funds, which can then be openly declared. In long term strategies, it could be making incremental investments in legal, profitable businesses with the payouts being completely above board. I'm guessing if you have mob investors, you tend to pay out regular dividends... Money laundering in the short term really requires related parties, which is why LL would suspend both accounts if it is suspected.
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	07-24-2008 14:12 From: Darien Caldwell I'm sorry but your argument is weak. Object transfers have confirmation, and making people wait for those hasn't caused anyone any grief or harm. I don't see why it would make any difference with Lindens. If it wasn't for the fact that LL arbitrarily bans accounts and confiscates Lindens with no recourse based on their own whims, I might agree. But I think having this kind of safeguard against LL's capricious nature would be good. Well I don't believe I was putting forward an argument so much as an opinion and the way I see it is current way works well, I see no strong reason to change it personally. I am a firm believer in if somethings works well then there has to be a compelling reason to change it. Doing what is suggested provides no safe guards against LL's nature, they can simply do as they please, just as they always have done. As a company providing services they are under no obligation to continue those services to you, they can terminate them at any time for no reason at all, adding an extra blue dialog asking do you really want to accept this money is not going to change that at all. _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	07-24-2008 14:47 From: Darien Caldwell Object transfers have confirmation Actually, they don't. Whether you decline or accept the object will end up in your inventory either way, it's just a matter of whether it ends up in Objects (or Animations, Textures, etc) or your trash bin. There is no way to truly refuse offered inventory.

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