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Apollo Takacs
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07-22-2008 23:42
How is it in sl if you are offered anything,friendship,tp,kisss,hug and other things you are asked if you accept.But if i pay you something no question is just taken.:)
Ann Launay
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07-23-2008 00:06
Because LL assumes you know what you're doing?

Now, if someone or something wants to TAKE money from you, you do have to accept.
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Marc Ares
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07-23-2008 00:23
Common sense dictates that nobody in his right mind would pay someone else money for no reason.
Dekka Raymaker
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07-23-2008 01:40
From: Marc Ares
Common sense dictates that nobody in his right mind would pay someone else money for no reason.

obviously you didn't read the spitting vagina thread!
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Apollo Takacs
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07-23-2008 01:54
no but i will Dekka
spinster Voom
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07-23-2008 02:43
Reading through this thread

/327/6e/272195/1.html

I think that in all fairness we should be able to decline offers of money.
Kitty Barnett
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07-23-2008 04:04
From: spinster Voom
I think that in all fairness we should be able to decline offers of money.
*selflessly volunteers to offer her account to be the recipient of the new "declined payments" economic sink*

I'll spend it all shopping so it'll definitely be good for the economy :p.
Sassy Romano
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07-23-2008 04:17
From: spinster Voom
Reading through this thread

/327/6e/272195/1.html

I think that in all fairness we should be able to decline offers of money.

All you have to do is pay it back if you dont want it so it's not really a needed feature
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07-23-2008 04:32
From: Sassy Romano
All you have to do is pay it back if you dont want it so it's not really a needed feature


That is how money laundering usually works . . .

Pep (Don't know US legislation but in the UK you could even potentially be locked up for not informing the authorities of attempts to pay you money)
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spinster Voom
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07-23-2008 04:36
From: Sassy Romano
All you have to do is pay it back if you dont want it so it's not really a needed feature


well, yes, you can just pay it back, but you may end up inadvertently helping some nere-do-well launder their ill-gotten gains. I'd rather have the option of not taking that risk in the first place.
Sassy Romano
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07-23-2008 04:40
From: spinster Voom
well, yes, you can just pay it back, but you may end up inadvertently helping some nere-do-well launder their ill-gotten gains. I'd rather have the option of not taking that risk in the first place.

Well you will have to explain merely restoring virtual account balances and money laundering to me since it's hardly the same as being given physical fake notes and giving back real ones.
Marianne McCann
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07-23-2008 04:43
Having to have it accepted would prob'ly be hard on users, no? I mean, if you have to accept or decline on every sale? What happens when you are offline? Does a person then have to wait for me to accept before they can have their purchase?
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07-23-2008 05:12
From: Sassy Romano
Well you will have to explain merely restoring virtual account balances and money laundering to me since it's hardly the same as being given physical fake notes and giving back real ones.


TBH, I don't understand how it works, either, but it does go on and it's something LL are concerned about.

From: Marianne McCann
Having to have it accepted would prob'ly be hard on users, no? I mean, if you have to accept or decline on every sale? What happens when you are offline? Does a person then have to wait for me to accept before they can have their purchase?


yes, I've just been thinking about that ... perhaps it could be a preference you could set, to automatically accept payments or ask permission each time. Or perhaps vendors could be configured to give the necessary permissions? I don't know, I am no scripter lol, just throwing ideas about.
Sassy Romano
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07-23-2008 05:29
From: spinster Voom
TBH, I don't understand how it works, either, but it does go on and it's something LL are concerned about.

I remain sceptical. If i were paid lindens but someone asked for it back in paypal then that is different but a mere database transaction to adjust two numbers is not money laundering.
Brenda Connolly
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07-23-2008 06:01
I can see it now, the first time someone clicks no by mistake, and doesn't get their money. There will be howling akin to the "I set my land for sale to anybody" threads and claims of being ripped off. Then people will clamor for more confirmation boxes...Do you wish to accept this payment" Yes. "Do you really wish to accept this payment?' YES. "Are you sure? Perhaps you should sit down and think of the possible implications of accepting this payment" YES DAMNIT!!! Give me my money!

I say it's fine the way it is, the odds of getting unknowingly involved in a money laundering scheme seem small.
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07-23-2008 06:06
From: Marianne McCann
Having to have it accepted would prob'ly be hard on users, no? I mean, if you have to accept or decline on every sale? What happens when you are offline? Does a person then have to wait for me to accept before they can have their purchase?


*nods* This was what was crossing my mind. Because I will NOT want the purchases auto-approving if I have to approve payment first. If I refuse the payment, the purchase should then be rightfully canceled... Which would slow everything and frustrate shoppers and shop owners alike.

So, I say a flat NO to ideas like this. SL is hard enough for new and old users.. lets not muck with what actually works, okay?
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Conan Godwin
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07-23-2008 06:07
From: spinster Voom
Reading through this thread

/327/6e/272195/1.html

I think that in all fairness we should be able to decline offers of money.



I disagree - it would be pointless extra functionality for no benefit. We are asked if we accept transfers of objects because objects can contain harmful scripts. As of yet, no one has found a way to insert a harmful script into some L$, so there can be no reason for declining receipt of it. If a payment is in error, you can just send the money back again. Or not. Depending on your conscience.
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07-23-2008 06:24
Look, for those worried about being the innocent targets of money laundrying? Yeah.. get over it, please. While I might say LL is of the mindset of shoot first and ask questions never, if you FILE A SUPPORT TICKET or have a Live chat concerning the issue, you are reporting it to them. I have yet to hear anyone say that they were banned for reporting such a thing.

If you receive a large sum of money RL side for no apparent reason, do you sit there with your thumbs up your bum, or do you have a chat with the cops and sort it out? There is no difference.
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07-23-2008 06:37
I go to the mall. Maybe to dinner at a fancy restaurant.

From: Raudf Fox
If you receive a large sum of money RL side for no apparent reason, do you sit there with your thumbs up your bum, or do you have a chat with the cops and sort it out? There is no difference.
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Sassy Romano
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07-23-2008 06:38
From: Raudf Fox

If you receive a large sum of money RL side for no apparent reason, do you sit there with your thumbs up your bum, or do you have a chat with the cops and sort it out? There is no difference.

I maintain there is a huge difference. Somebody *please* explain how they think receiving a huge sum could possibly help someone laudering money, which usually requires changing notes or goods from one form to another. this is not happening here if you just say back.
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07-23-2008 06:50
From: Sassy Romano
I maintain there is a huge difference. Somebody *please* explain how they think receiving a huge sum could possibly help someone laudering money, which usually requires changing notes or goods from one form to another. this is not happening here if you just say back.


I am not saying I understand the ins and outs of it, but here's the original blog post:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/01/17/if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true%E2%80%A6/

Please keep your hair on, folks, it was just an idea. If the option was there I would use it, but it's not, so I can't. *shrug*
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07-23-2008 06:54
From: Sassy Romano
I maintain there is a huge difference. Somebody *please* explain how they think receiving a huge sum could possibly help someone laudering money, which usually requires changing notes or goods from one form to another. this is not happening here if you just say back.


Here is what I understand of the process. It involves the use of a stolen credit card or hacked account. The first account (account 0) will transfer certain amounts of L$ to alts and innocent accounts alike. The account 0 realizes they won't get the amounts sent to innocent accounts back, but hey, the L$ was stolen in the first place, but doing this keeps the process from tripping and automatically banning account 0. This gives account 0 time to do it several times before they are caught. By this time, the alt accounts have cashed out. And account 0 might be under the impression that if LL does catch on, the alts might not get caught up in the ban wave, because of the unrelated accounts.

But you are right, by this formula, it's not really money laundering. It's just a delaying tactic for theft and fraud.

But we label this money laundering, because of the use of alts..
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07-23-2008 07:08
From: Brenda Connolly
I can see it now, the first time someone clicks no by mistake, and doesn't get their money. There will be howling akin to the "I set my land for sale to anybody" threads and claims of being ripped off. Then people will clamor for more confirmation boxes...Do you wish to accept this payment" Yes. "Do you really wish to accept this payment?' YES. "Are you sure? Perhaps you should sit down and think of the possible implications of accepting this payment" YES DAMNIT!!! Give me my money!

I say it's fine the way it is, the odds of getting unknowingly involved in a money laundering scheme seem small.

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Apollo Takacs
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07-23-2008 07:26
Wow so many replies,i was posting it in the how come mans best friend a dog and ladys is Diamonds theme,not expect so many reply's
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07-23-2008 07:28
From: Apollo Takacs
Wow so many replies,i was posting it in the how come mans best friend a dog and ladys is Diamonds theme,not expect so many reply's


*chortles* You kicked an ant mound and didn't realize it!
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