Aggressive Neighbors
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Rudolph Ormsby
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05-11-2008 03:38
From: Bearded Munro I have a 2048m plot of land on the mainland, which I use for my store and have owned for about eight months. Over the past two or three months my neighbor has been buying up land and now surrounds my property on three sides. They have constructed very large grey walls, right against the property line, only visible from my property--invisible from theirs--which exist at whatever level I attempt to build, but nowhere else. Now they are complaining that a sensor which gives a landmark to visitors to my store overlaps into their land at 500m and are accusing me of griefing. I am presuming that the Lindens won't be intersted in this at all, but is there anything I can do? I am quite happy to rebuild, but wherever I go, they go. Get yourself a space on a private estate, the landlord will usually actively resolve disputes, or have a covenant that prevents your situation from happening in the first place. Other benefits include no need to pay premium membership, plus you can be fairly sure that lag and griefing will be controlled. Perfect for a shop environment.
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Qie Niangao
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05-11-2008 03:45
From: Tegg Bode If you do go, or perhaps sel make sure you let a few 16m pieces go to landbots so he takes ages to get the whole lot again or he gets adfarmed   Oh, please don't. *Puh-leeze* don't! I'm wasting hours and hours that I should be spending building and scripting, instead begging and pleading with adfarmers to shuffle around bits of a ravaged Heterocera sim, trying to salvage a slice of it. Making microplots doesn't harm the neighbor nearly as much as it does generations and generations of future residents who love the Mainland. Anyone who carves up Mainland and sells the pieces creates a very persistent problem.
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Tegg Bode
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05-11-2008 05:59
From: Qie Niangao  Oh, please don't. *Puh-leeze* don't! I'm wasting hours and hours that I should be spending building and scripting, instead begging and pleading with adfarmers to shuffle around bits of a ravaged Heterocera sim, trying to salvage a slice of it. Making microplots doesn't harm the neighbor nearly as much as it does generations and generations of future residents who love the Mainland. Anyone who carves up Mainland and sells the pieces creates a very persistent problem. If they are going to be an arsehole to get the whole sim, make them work for it 
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Oryx Tempel
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05-11-2008 08:23
From: Raudf Fox Keep in mind that it will be very difficult to reestablish yourself if you do take the moving option. Not really... if the OP has a group for his business, he can send out landmarks to the new place in a Group Notice, reset Classifieds, etc. This is a great opportunity to rework the new parcel name/description to take advantage of the new Search/All. Many of the shops that I've been to have moved over time, and they always put up a big sign at the old place with landmarks to the new place... I think most people understand. 
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Oryx Tempel
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05-11-2008 08:27
From: Qie Niangao they could just build a [...] hollow shaft for your build to slide up and down in 
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Qie Niangao
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05-11-2008 08:28
From: Tegg Bode If they are going to be an arsehole to get the whole sim, make them work for it  But they *won't*, that's the thing. They'll give up and leave this f'd-up nightmare of a sh!t-hole sim till the Lindens impose a cap on land prices and force all parcels under 512 to sale--that is to say, till hell freezes over. If it's a private island, then fine: they come and go, are readily disposable commodities. But the Mainland sticks around after we turn it into trash; we don't need to be in a hurry about it.
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3Ring Binder
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05-11-2008 08:36
i also cannot stand behind the idea of creating an ad farm scenerio. besides, that's vindictive and griefing, and creating 16m plots for the purpose of extortion is now an official ARable offense. the OP could be banned for it.
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Desmond Shang
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05-11-2008 08:58
From: 3Ring Binder i also cannot stand behind the idea of creating an ad farm scenerio. besides, that's vindictive and griefing, and creating 16m plots for the purpose of extortion is now an official ARable offense. the OP could be banned for it. I don't think you'd actually have to create an ad farm. Just the mere presence of 16m parcels appearing a few at a time over three weeks would probably be enough to suddenly get a little respect... This is the problem with unmanaged estates. Lowest common denominator wins (well, they win the consolation prize - it's not exactly victory). It's also the reason so many flee to private estates - as bad as it is to risk the caprices of another resident, the "torment your neighbour" extortion nonsense is just gone.
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Rudolph Ormsby
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05-11-2008 10:24
From: 3Ring Binder i also cannot stand behind the idea of creating an ad farm scenerio. besides, that's vindictive and griefing, and creating 16m plots for the purpose of extortion is now an official ARable offense. the OP could be banned for it. I could not agree with you more. It is mildly shocking to see the number of "remedies" in this thread that would normally be shouted down as griefing, extortion or just plain not nice, when there are simple solutions like getting rid of the spamming sensor, moving, or indeed, talking things out.
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Desmond Shang
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05-11-2008 10:52
From: Rudolph Ormsby I could not agree with you more. It is mildly shocking to see the number of "remedies" in this thread that would normally be shouted down as griefing, extortion or just plain not nice, when there are simple solutions like getting rid of the spamming sensor, moving, or indeed, talking things out. ***major disclaimer for those who don't get my humour*** I'm just teasing. I would never adfarm *anybody*. I'm pretty sure the other people are just kicking around possibilities too. And even if anyone considers my ethics or morality faulty, trust that I'm not stupid enough to risk a 36 region mini-continent over such a thing. It would be cheaper for me to buy out the nearest ten regions than do something that foolish. Well, okay, I *might* put an exploding pig or two on a parcel... Hey, it would be kinda cool if it rained bacon now and then, no? grin * * * * * There are ways people have done horrible things to other residents - I've never, ever done any myself, but I've heard a lot of things over the years. Folks, whatever you do, do NOT go saying things like "I'm only ten" to an alt of someone who hates you, or "I'm going to come over there and do _____ to you" even in roleplay, because this sort of thing is taken very seriously. And the first refuge of the real freaky types is saying "I'm only roleplaying" - it doesn't save them. The grid, and even the internet in general, is a sort of vengeance paradise for those who simply can't move on. Don't become easy prey for these types. Of course, setting someone up like that makes you lower than the low, and if caught, it's almost assuredly a permaban waiting for you too.
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Rudolph Ormsby
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05-11-2008 10:57
From: Desmond Shang ***major disclaimer for those who don't get my humour*** I'm just teasing. I would never adfarm *anybody*. I'm pretty sure the other people are just kicking around possibilities too. And even if anyone considers my ethics or morality faulty, trust that I'm not stupid enough to risk a 36 region mini-continent over such a thing. It would be cheaper for me to buy out the nearest ten regions than do something that foolish. Well, okay, I *might* put an exploding pig or two on a parcel... Hey, it would be kinda cool if it rained bacon now and then, no? grin * * * * * There are ways people have done horrible things to other residents - I've never, ever done any myself, but I've heard a lot of things over the years. Folks, whatever you do, do NOT go saying things like "I'm only ten" to an alt of someone who hates you, or "I'm going to come over there and do _____ to you" even in roleplay, because this sort of thing is taken very seriously. And the first refuge of the real freaky types is saying "I'm only roleplaying" - it doesn't save them. The grid, and even the internet in general, is a sort of vengeance paradise for those who simply can't move on. Don't become easy prey for these types. Of course, setting someone up like that makes you lower than the low, and if caught, it's almost assuredly a permaban waiting for you too. Yup, yup. Actually, I quite liked the exploding pig idea! Anyone for bacon? 
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Amaranthim Talon
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05-11-2008 11:07
Sounds like a job for Strokerz....
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Bearded Munro
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05-11-2008 16:01
I have just realised that my neighbor has banned me from their land. As their land now completely surrounds me the only way in and out is by TP. Sigh.
I have moved my buildings to the only height I could find where there were no walls visible and will wait and see if the appear! In the meantime I am very tempted to try to sell but I don't know that I want to have the hassle of finding somewhere and starting from scratch, but perhaps it could be an adventure!
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Ordinal Malaprop
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05-11-2008 16:11
From: Bearded Munro I have just realised that my neighbor has banned me from their land. As their land now completely surrounds me the only way in and out is by TP. Sigh. This is ARable - well, it certainly used to be. Worth a try in any case.
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Starfire Desade
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05-11-2008 16:23
From: Ordinal Malaprop This is ARable - well, it certainly used to be. Worth a try in any case. If it used to be, it should still be... I have heard too many stories of ad farmers AR'ing their neighbors when they blocked in their unusably tiny parcels.
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Gabriele Graves
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05-11-2008 16:44
To the OP, come to Akai sim - plenty of lovely land mostly and reasonable prices, lots of water and sand - most of it just came up for sale in the last few weeks. Nice quiet sim - no hassles. I own a lovely 4096 there that is just perfect 
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Tegg Bode
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05-12-2008 01:30
Yeah, I guess I probably never do it myself, especially since I have to much respect for the good neighbours still in the sim. Plenty of land in the sim east of me called Sammamish $9915 for a 1024m plot and1/3 of the sim to chose from, they been for sale for a while, so probaly open to offers.
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Elinah Iredell
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05-12-2008 02:12
From: Bearded Munro I have a 2048m plot of land on the mainland, which I use for my store and have owned for about eight months. Over the past two or three months my neighbor has been buying up land and now surrounds my property on three sides. They have constructed very large grey walls, right against the property line, only visible from my property--invisible from theirs--which exist at whatever level I attempt to build, but nowhere else. Now they are complaining that a sensor which gives a landmark to visitors to my store overlaps into their land at 500m and are accusing me of griefing. I am presuming that the Lindens won't be intersted in this at all, but is there anything I can do? I am quite happy to rebuild, but wherever I go, they go. Offer them the land at a really high price and then move. Elinah
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Cherry Czervik
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05-12-2008 03:33
I found, for 350L, some screens which had an autochanger by click, and they are in various sizes. Make sure you reduce the range of your sensor as has been said, get some truly pretty views, AR AR AR and AR some more and then consider having some sort of events at your place to get in more custom. Why should you be bullied out? Maceday has some plots, hilltop, under 6K per 512 - FANTASTIC neighbours on one side 
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3Ring Binder
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05-12-2008 06:58
If you sell at a ridiculously high price, it'll be worth the time it takes to move. plus, it's kind of fun seeking out new land. i love to move.
Oryx has some nice water land for sale.
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Kalderi Tomsen
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05-12-2008 07:25
I wouldn't do anything nasty - don't descend to their level.
Put the land up for a very, very high price - something that will give you plenty of money to upgrade to a nicer area, and pay your costs of lost business for a few months while you rebuild.
And AR them, with all the evidence you can muster, in case LL *is* willing to do something about it.
They come across like bullies to me and I can't abide those types....
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Bearded Munro
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Update
05-22-2008 06:55
Just to say I followed advice and put my 2048m of land for sale for a ridiculous amount, 50,000 lindens.
Today, I am 50,000 lindens richer... I think my (ex) neighbor is lovely!
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Ceka Cianci
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05-22-2008 07:07
just reading the OP's post it sounds like they are trying to push you out to get your land. AR them on every offense sooner or later they will back off or be gone
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Ceka Cianci
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05-22-2008 07:09
or sell for a really high price and make maybe 50,000 profit!!!
Sorry i should have read the post above my last one lol
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Marianne McCann
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05-22-2008 07:34
From: Bearded Munro Just to say I followed advice and put my 2048m of land for sale for a ridiculous amount, 50,000 lindens.
Today, I am 50,000 lindens richer... I think my (ex) neighbor is lovely! ...you can almost afford a 1024 in Bay City now.
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