Children

This morning came across 3 children on the Mature Laguna Nude Beach.
Ok probably not children in real life, well I hope not.
It looked nice at first but now afterwards is concerning me, because of possible sexual implecations and the type of men with children in the real world.

I noted the names, (Deleted)

Are there no Linden rules on this?

Love, June

Oh, good: names for all in-world "pedophiles" to add to their lists. Convenient!

Uh... whom are we trying to protect in this thread, then?

[EDIT: *Thanks* for eliding the names. ]

Unless the "kids" were engaging in sexual animations, I don't think there's any rule about it. Generally, though, I should think kid avatars would avoid naturist areas, just to prevent the more prurient-minded from misinterpreting it as sexual.

(Kid avatars are, of course, allowed on Mature parcels. Given that there's a dwindling share of land designated PG, it would be difficult to do otherwise.)

Please don't name names here, it will get you banned.

Child avatars are allowed.

Child avatars are allowed on mature sims.

Child avatars are not allowed in conjunction with any sexual content.

Nudity per se does not equate with sex, as any RL naturist would confirm.

You do not say whether these avatars were naked. I am not sure on LL's policy on child avatars being naked - pesonally I see nothing wrong with kids playing naked on a beach, but LL do seem, understandably, to err on the side of prudish caution.

I'm sure June is posting out of the best of motives but..

Were these -in fact- child avis or just smaller than the usual 6ft plus?
Were they actually doing anything offensive?

Why does anyone automatically think a child av is a child in rl anyway?? If some kid was trying to sneak into an adult place they weren't supposed to be allowed into, I can't see them trying to look like a kid when they can have an adult's av.

I'm beginning to feel people are being ever so slightly hysterical on this subject.

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Aes

You will note I have allready taken names off to protect these children from sexual approaches.

Not aware we can't name others in our posts, sorry I did not know that.

No were not naked, but do not think that came into it, it is a nudist beach in name but not many nude.

Thanks for your info.
June

Yes small, say half adult height, looked like children, where not just normal avatars with less hieght, in fact I think they had buckets and spades. It looked nice I must say at the time, but then I thought about the dark side of things.
These were covered on TV Sky 24 hours News last summer.
Thanks, June

And the "Macs vs PC's" thread of Second Life appears again.

Ok as a Nudist Colony owner i'll bite.

I don't have any problems at all with adults role-playing kids in SL. I dont see any reason why you shouldn't roleplay a kid, as roleplay a robot a neko a furry or anything else you want - surely having fun is what SL is all about. However the problem with kid avies is this on going (and by now thoroughly boring) sh*tfight about SAP. The bottom line is adults who want to roleplay kids and have fun is fine. Adults who want to SAP is definitely not fine.

A nudist colony is not a sex place, that is correct, however in the minds of some there is a connection between nudity and sex. This is just a fact of life I'm afraid - many SL players do not seem to make the distiniction. (This may also have something to do with people having english as a second language and the fact that some nude beaches also promote themselves as sex places)

Ok, so the bottom line. I don't allow Kid avies in my nudist colony for that reason. Also it makes other adult guests uncomfortable. Personally I would be happy to let kids run around Nature's Way wild and free - they would love it - but unfortunately this will never happen. I do also get site updates from guests when I'm not around so I usully aways know what is going on.

If I find a kid av - and this has happened on a few occasions - I give them 2 choices, 1. Leave or 2. Stay and assume adult form. Some go, some stay - I dont particularly care either way. I made Nature's Way for fun, it's not a business so the last thing I really want is any drama.

My rules are very very simple - as outlined below:



I dont think that is much to ask for giving people a free run of 2 sims of beaches and amazing views ... is it?

So you think they may have just killed someone and buried the body?

Wah!!! (O_O) ..... Kid friendly nude beach!!!! (O_O) ..... I'm on my way! \(^_^)/

I raised the question once to the Linden G-Team. The response that I got is that nudity (even for child avatars) is subjective and not inheritly sexual in nature.

While the responding Linden did have a difficult time seeing the justification for child avatar nudity... It was made clear that certain things like taking a shower, taking a bath, changing clothes, and naturism are subjective matters that can be handled at the estate/land owner level.

There was a small all-AV friendly nude beach that self-destructed at the time, which drove me to bring up the question. From what I got, the closure was more due to general harassment than any G-Team activity.

(^_^)y

Ya think?

I blame it on being over-hyped by the media in general.

I guess before the Internet there were no Pedophiles?

I rest my case.

In point of fact, at least the last time I visited the aforementioned beach <cough> there was a fenced area within the beach with some pairs pose balls .. a little close for comfort?
I just tried to TP there to confirm but would you believe teleports are out?

I'm ok with the kiddie AV thing. The thought of buckets and spades just then made me chortle. It's sad that this modern mania for political correctness has really screwed with 'our world, our imagination'

And I still blame the Germans

imagine if they won the War?

Right thats it i'm banning buckets and spades.

Sometimes I wonder who did.

(Amy, sent you an IM)

love, June

Yes the bucket and shovel are sex toys.
Seriously, though. The Sky News thing is a real sore spot around here. They took a tiny parcel of SL and claimed that all of SL is like that. Then, when dozens of normal child avatars (more child avs than adults) arrived to attend their in-world follow-up discussion, and argue that they had been misrepresented, they friggin' misrepresented THAT TOO! they turned it into a follow-up piece that claimed that everyone in that room was involved in the activities shown in the previous piece. Basically, I don't think a single word of the thing is true, and would never believe a word of information ever received from Sky News. ever.

Yeah, boy do I remember that. What was the quote? Something like "the room was full of avatars who had come to defend their deviant behavior" or something like that. It was outrageous.

I think thats pretty close to the quote.
When it was just unknown avatars depicted in the first piece, none of us were really sure. I mean, what they showed and described might happen, nothing preventing it anyway, and a reporter might catch it. It was conceivable because we didn't know the people involved. But, when all of our friends appeared in the next piece, sitting quietly in the conference room with hands neatly folded on their laps... well, we KNOW many of those avatars. Some of them were well-known in the child-av community. And we KNOW they are not involved in that stuff. Sky News was flat-out lying about that part. There is no doubt about that.

That's when I concluded that the first segment was probably fiction as well.

We gave them the benefit of the doubt, and tried to get the record straight. Instead we were treated like sub-human. It makes my blood boil.

To answer the question.
It is difficult to find written rules about this. Rules about this are officially under the authority of the Community Standards http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php, which lays out very general rules of behavior for residents. There have been two blog posts about it, but neither one addresses the issue of nudity that does not rise to the level of clear sexual activity. (Draw your own conclusions about the lack of specifics).

However, I have inferred some more specific rules by observation. These are not official, and are subjective.
A naked child on a beach in an area designated for nudity (especially family nudity), on a private estate (not mainland) with clear signage and the blessings of the estate manager, will not warrant intervention. As always, estate owners and parcel owners can set their own rules and enforce them freely using the estate and landowner tools.

I had a lecture here about using the local security and managers and parcel owners before moving up the food chain and getting the game-masters involved, but I spared you from it. mostly.

Sheesh. And to think I didn't go to the tag end of a pool party the other evening when I was "kidding around" because there'd be adults in swimwear.

Every time this topic comes up, I get uneasy.

At Summertime Blues, before it closed, I had a few "kids" that would come in. They always behaved themselves, occasionally came in as adults, or other avs. I let them stay.

BUT...

One of my tenants (Mature sim) has always presented herself as a child. Now, I never enter the homes of my tenants, except upon their request. My theory is their home-their business, as long as it doesn't affect my sim. Said "child" called me one day and asked me to come fix something. While there, I could not help but notice that there was adult equipment in the room...nothing extreme, just some spanking stuff. This caused me a lot of anxious moments while I tried to figure out if I needed to do something/anything about it. I decided, no, this was NOT my business. She pays her rent on time, and I've never seen any actual issues (other than equipment in the room). I do still wonder from time to time...

Now, on my new family residential sim, a child AV came by last night to look at the properties. I admit, there was some angst again. But my lease conditions on that sim state

This is a family sim, govern yourself accordingly. Any "adult" toys must not be seen from the roadway. If necessary, blackout your windows.

I don't want to know if there's anything going on beyond that. I will continue to operate on the principal that life is innocent.

*adjusts Pollyanna hat*

Sounds reasonable to me.