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Kira Cuddihy
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05-25-2008 19:22
From: Gordon Wendt
That's the thing though, some are illegal, most work to be just around the rules and in the grey area, and then of course there are some that use voting or whatever and are legal.

for those that report on sight, this isn't like armed robbery or murder which I suggest you do report on sight but what makes you're life so bored that you feel you have to report a violation of a rule that makes no sense to anybody except a tiny religious minority who happen to run the U.S. at the moment and what makes you think that it's you're job to flag stuff to LL that may not be illegal in the first place and if it isn't you're wasting their time so you can what? sleep better at night knowing that you helped them enforce the rules?

What the HELL are you talking about. I said 'I DONT REPORT IT'. Personally I enjoy gambling.
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05-25-2008 20:51
Second Life is rooted in the United States........the rules and laws of the United States are the rules and laws Linden Lab is required to observe and enforce (as best they can). Europe, the Carribbian, and other countries don't enter into the equatation.

Why toss out such a stupid argument? You don't like the rules and laws, you can do as the United States says you can.....leave (or if you become a US ciitzen and work to change the law......democratically). I see no one chaining you to SL (which, by US laws would be very illegal). :)
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05-25-2008 20:57
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Second Life is rooted in the United States........the rules and laws of the United States are the rules and laws Linden Lab is required to observe and enforce (as best they can). Europe, the Carribbian, and other countries don't enter into the equatation.

Why toss out such a stupid argument? You don't like the rules and laws, you can do as the United States says you can.....leave (or if you become a US ciitzen and work to change the law......democratically). I see no one chaining you to SL (which, by US laws would be very illegal). :)


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Brenda Connolly
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05-25-2008 20:57
From: Gordon Wendt
If you have a better way to explain how why the U.S. Government has banned something that's legal in most of Europe, The Carribean, Canada, and many other places across the world and is legal without the fabric of society falling apart in those places I might add, I'd like to hear it.

Because the Government doesn't get it's cut from online gambling. Most States have some form of legalized gambling, those that don't have had it voted down by the citizens in that state, not by a government decree. And in the states that do allow gambling, Uncle Sam gets a nice piece of the action.
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Kidd Krasner
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05-25-2008 22:38
From: Brenda Connolly
Because the Government doesn't get it's cut from online gambling. Most States have some form of legalized gambling, those that don't have had it voted down by the citizens in that state, not by a government decree. And in the states that do allow gambling, Uncle Sam gets a nice piece of the action.

If that were the real reason, then the government would have just instituted more reporting requirements so they could get their cut of online gambling, too.

The reason that I've seen cited is the belief that it's an easy path for money laundering. That may well be true, but I don't see that it stands out over other routes, nor why it couldn't be fixed with suitable controls.

There certainly is an anti-gambling sentiment among some groups, but I don't see that they have enough political power to pull off the internet gambling ban by themselves.
Kidd Krasner
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05-25-2008 22:46
From: Toy LaFollette
ya know, my gramps always told me that gambling is for those with poor math skills. He was a very smart man :)

Or, in the case of a certain group of MIT students, those with excellent math skills.

There are certainly people for whom this criticism of gambling is true. But with movies running $9-$10, sporting events running quite a bit more, I'm willing to believe that someone putting money into a SL gambling device at a rate of $10 (US) per evening is getting their money's worth in entertainment value.
Tegg Bode
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05-26-2008 00:20
From: Gordon Wendt
If you have a better way to explain how why the U.S. Government has banned something that's legal in most of Europe, The Carribean, Canada, and many other places across the world and is legal without the fabric of society falling apart in those places I might add, I'd like to hear it.


Yes other countries are cosing to allow crooked gambling online, I'm sure legal entertainment is the phrase to use when playing online poker against the house and 3 of their alts or a SL slot machine with variable programmed odds.
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Nuno McCullough
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05-26-2008 03:01
From: Olias Mayo
..seen a 'Sploder' in action, or do they just carry on and play it? The way I am doing at this very minute.



No, I don't report and keep playing :) BTW, do you know any good sploder?
Brann Georgia
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05-26-2008 07:19
From: Gordon Wendt
legal in most of Europe, The Carribean, Canada


Ya might want to look things up before making such sweeping generalizations, Gordon.

In Canada, at least, gambling and lotteries are strictly regulated and restricted. Joe Average loading up a sploder will find himself on the wrong side of the taxman, and the law, in short order.

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Toy LaFollette
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05-26-2008 07:31
From: Kidd Krasner
Or, in the case of a certain group of MIT students, those with excellent math skills.

There are certainly people for whom this criticism of gambling is true. But with movies running $9-$10, sporting events running quite a bit more, I'm willing to believe that someone putting money into a SL gambling device at a rate of $10 (US) per evening is getting their money's worth in entertainment value.


Perhaps but then it depends on what you consider entertainment, gambling isnt on my list of entertainment :)
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05-27-2008 13:17
From: Tegg Bode
...I'm sure legal entertainment is the phrase to use when playing online poker against the house and 3 of their alts...
Online poker rooms make their money from taking a percentage from each pot won on cash tables and a percentage of the prize money on tournament tables. They don't need to run the scams that your paranoid imagination has fabricated because they make far more money by taking their cut and maintaining a reputation for honesty.

I don't report sploder balls or any other violations I witness of the wagering policy unless they are the traditional gambling games that might attract scrutiny by banks under the UIGEA and even then only if they are being run out in the open because I don't believe that anything other than traditional gambling games (traditional slot machines, blackjack tables, poker tables, roulette etc.) openly tolerated by Linden Lab will create any legal problems for Second Life under the UIGEA. No harm, no foul IMO.
Ordinal Malaprop
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05-27-2008 13:38
From: Toy LaFollette
Perhaps but then it depends on what you consider entertainment, gambling isnt on my list of entertainment :)

It is not on mine either but I can quite easily see how it would be if I enjoyed the pursuit. I did spend a pleasant few hours playing Roulette in a Casino in Budapest recently, where due to the exchange rate one can "High Roll" for a relatively small outlay. Of course I lost all of the money I cared to wager eventually, but it was entertaining at the time - and certainly had I been in a hostelry purchasing drinks, I would have spent far more for less entertainment and a worse head the next day.
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05-27-2008 14:48
From: Gordon Wendt
That's the thing though, some are illegal, most work to be just around the rules and in the grey area, and then of course there are some that use voting or whatever and are legal.


for those that report on sight, this isn't like armed robbery or murder which I suggest you do report on sight but what makes you're life so bored that you feel you have to report a violation of a rule that makes no sense to anybody except a tiny religious minority who happen to run the U.S. at the moment and what makes you think that it's you're job to flag stuff to LL that may not be illegal in the first place and if it isn't you're wasting their time so you can what? sleep better at night knowing that you helped them enforce the rules?
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Hmm, there's nothing really helpful there, but thanks for pasting.
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