RestrainedLife Client

It's not hard for me to see a future where the Restrained Life Viewer might be renamed as the Roleplay Life Viewer.

A combat HUD could disable maps, force a "blood" layer of clothing at a set percentage of damage. Prevent using a particular weapon if you skill level is too low. Restrict IM's in roleplay areas where "radios" might not fit. Replace a gun with a knife if you run out of ammo. Etc..

Marine is up for one of the open source awards from LL, and I have a feeling she wont win because it's "naughty" (Nudge nudge, Say no more) and that is a shame.

I thought that the awards were for bug fixes or feature enhancements to Second Life as a whole, not for adaptations to the client for specific groups ("naughty" or not).

There's a flash from the past...

Damn multiple personalities!

I use it, I love it and I have no security concerns. I feel it has enhanced my RP, giving a whole new level of authenticity. I sincerely believe anyone who has serious involvement in the BDSM or Gorean scenes, should invest in at least the basic restraint set.

Its features are fabulous, you can do everything from shut down a person's inventory so they can not even receive a note card or change their appearance to closing off all forms of chat features (hearing & talking both in IMs & publically). The shackles can be customized down to length of chain and slack. Based upon what option you choose it can literally take the wearer over an hour just to cross a sim at full speed if not longer. The appointed owner can stop the wearer's ability to move, tp, force them into a position on any object, enforce their appearance choices, etc. It opens up a whole new avenue of "punishments" or training methods to doms.

If you branch ino the many toys about the grid made with the scripts the possibilities become even wider. Humiliation techniques can be implemented, the owner can cease your activity no matter what you are doing when they wish, enforce the settings for predetermined amounts of times, add longer penalty times if certain actions are done, get copies of all your correspondance, etc.

Its quite an amazing system I think, I found it to be the most superior restraint system on the grid, with exception to the VGS Collars (by Allie Ree). Her collar is great because she has RLV scripts which you can turn on or off in addition to her own! And the toys that makers are releasing like the chastity belts from monica that are RLV compatible are worth every L. Moreover, you can take the scripts for free from RLV & make your own toys, they provide support for creators who wish to enhance their products with their scripts!

As far as security, in the beginning I looked at this and saw no documentation of how they are passing information like user name and password to the SL Servers. Theoreticaly any .exe file can take your information, but it appears to be only a mere client that takes script code and then disables the ability to do things that the normal client can do. It doesn't appear to use or need any personal information. In fact, you have to place it in your second life folder and connect the second life app to the .exe file because it is unable to connect solely on its own. I have yet to ever hear a single complaint of RLV using information and I've had it & socialize with other RLV users for well over 6 months now.

Interesting. Three days before owned. Didn't use RLV until much later.

Slightly off-topic, but I disagree.

Yes, you can 'force' someone to not wear anything (or take anything off) as an example, but you could have just told them that as well. The "but then I won't know if they won't do it anyway" that tends to follow only illustrates a complete lack of trust to me rather than the absence of a feature that enhances RP.

If a Dom(me) has to rely on taking away the option rather than trust that they simply won't do it then you don't have "better RP", you have a disfunctional relationship where one partner is inherently distrusting or not trustworthy.

Finally, the shackles seem to be largely used as the "Xcite of BDSM": why type out anything when you can click menus to do it for you.

You are right in what you say about trust, but for many they also find the thrill of losing some control good too, to some the, I'm doing this because someone says to misses the feeling of RL bondage.
Whether this makes them not hardcore BDSM isn't the point, they like the viewer, want, the viewer so it exists, same with Xcite. It's made a good economic boost for many BDSM content creators too.
Not everyone is into long term serious relationships, so for them it's just slap & tickle BDSM, and they like it, and some may progress further into the lifestyle, some won't.
The shackle sets just lock, there's no substitute for a good dialogue to go with that of course. It's not quite as clicksex as Xcite, and even Xcite doesn't have to be used in that mode.
Myself I would like to see animations used more as response to action,so you could actually adjust the speed of your animation with levels of enjoyment perhaps. Visuals and sounds still have strong effects on many people to go with good text.

I feel kinda sorta weird about posting in here with questions about this particular client, considering that...well, you know. But nonetheless, the idea has me curious. If someone could code a client that allows another avatar to control your experience - your inventory, chat capabilities, even what clothes and attachments you can/cannot wear or remove...imagine the other applications of this ability.

When Microsoft released it's Flight Simulator 2002 back in...well, 2002, the "Professional Edition" included an app called "Flight Instructor", whereby you (via LAN or internet) could "join" with another user in a pre-arranged session, during which as the "Instructor", you were given some control over the other user's plane: you could take control and abdicate control over the aircraft itself if needed, you could change their weather and day/night settings, you could cause chosen instruments to stop working or work incorrectly, etc. Of course some people used this as a fun way to torture each other by creating the most impossible-to-fly-in scenarios they could imagine; but the real point of the software was that an oldbie Flight Sim user could teach a brand-newbie the ropes from the very beginning.

What this Restrained Life thing demonstrates is possible, I feel could also be used in other ways. Like by helpers (Mentors, maybe?) who want to teach a newbie the basics of SL. Or how to build. Or how to do anything, really. The newbie could download a "Learning Client", over which the teacher could have some control, demonstrating something, and then handing control over to the newbie to try whatever-it-is out for him/herself.

Here's the problem, though. The Restrained Life thing seems, from peoples descriptions, to be designed specifically so that you have no say whatsoever in what the other person is supposed to be able to control. Does that mean that, when you decide you don't want to play the game you're playing anymore, you can't just revoke all their abilities without uninstalling that viewer? Can absolutely anybody with the proper scripts, in theory, control anybody using a restraint client, whether they're supposed to be the "correct partner" or not? I'm asking because I see a potential for griefing there. Such potential could easily translate into a "Learning client" version of the software.

I'm pretty skeptical of it, although it seems well-done.

As I see it, this is a tool mainly of interest to the bondage/restraint crowd .. that is, the segment of the BDSM community who is very much into being restrained and lacking control. I can see the value of the tool for this segment of the community. For other BDSM players, though, the real "fun" of BDSM is submission, which comes voluntarily from the submissive at the request of the dominant. "Forced" submission -- again, outside of the erotic restraint community -- isn't necessarily that much of a turn-on for many D/s players -- rather it's the voluntary giving of submission by the submissive that is a turn on for both dominant and submissive. But in any case for people who like the more total kind of control I can see where the tool would be useful.

A) Most of the time I hear that it was the submissive that wanted the giving up control that RLV gives, not the dom(me). Experiences differ. There is just something . . . very nice about having your clothing stripped off of you. Heck, even before RLV there were rippable clothing out there. Had to be prim and didn't always look very good (the clothing). Now you can have something like ". . . rips the clothes from you " (or ". . .gently and carefully unbuttons your blouse, letting it fall open . . " and they, the dom(me) writing could, at the same time, remove the clothing as they go, as opposed to typing, waiting for the other to read and understand that their clothing is supposed to come off, when it is supposed to come off, how many layers, etc. Really kills the RP if you are more worried about when to remove your blouse than enjoying what is happening.

I have no idea how trust or distrust enters here. Other than the obvious point that the submissive has to trust the dom(me) to know what they are doing, where they are, and appropriate to play (again, desires and experiences differ).

B) Shackles . . . xcite of BDSM? I have no idea how that works. If I'm locked up, 12 hours, a week, my limbs are locked up in these shackles. If I were to activate a dance (or a walking animation), the shackle animation (depending on the quality - i.e., if they knew what level of priority to give the shackle animation), keeps your arms bound behind you (or in front, or however you were bound) as you dance. Your dom(me) could have been off-line for a week or so (whimper), and you would get to experience it. Xcite of BDSM? Not every leashing, not every single step needs a separate 20 minute scene of a leash being attached, or shackles being locked, or . . . when all you want to do is apply the leash, lock the cuffs and go exploring.

Just short of 9 months I've submitted. Voluntairly, not forced. And I enjoy what RLV offers (not all the time, nor does it need to be used).

One major selling point (and detraction for other reasons) is that if an attachment is on and locked, it isn't going to be accidently coming off if you try to wear something. I hate when my collar detaches when all I was trying to do was put on a dress. With RLV it won't. Of course that also means that I need to know where every single attachment goes since I can't "wear" it, I have to attach it separately. I'm glad I like nudity, or simplicity so much, or that last part would rather annoy me.

Hello there,

Just to address a few concerns and also to correct a few misunderstandings, let me describe precisely what the RestrainedLife viewer does, and what it doesn't do. Just FYI, I code and publish the RLV for SL users.

First of all, it is a SL viewer that allows objects owned by the user to control some features in the viewer. Such as opening/closing the inventory, make the item undetachable, forcing to remove or wear clothes and attachments, hiding the map, shutting IMs etc. What is very important to keep in mind is this : only objects owned by you can control your viewer. therefore, if one wants to make some furniture that uses the RLV features of the user, without necessarily be owned by them, the user must wear a "RLV relay" to relay RLV commands. In the end, the user still has the choice of whether they want be controlled by a foreign object or not. So it limits any possible griefing.

Secondly, it is made for the BDSM community. But the multiple features could very well be used in other situations, such as stripping as it has been mentioned in this thread. Combat is another nice idea, even if the combat system would not be implemented in the viewer itself, merely "hooks" to die, get slower when wounded etc. But nothing has been done in that direction yet.

Thirdly, please do not mistake the stuff I sell (shackles, ropes, cuffs...) that are solely SL objects, with the RLV. Used jointly, they do provide a nice experience, but other content creators sell objects that are compatible with the viewer and they have nothing to do with me. They just follow a document that explains how to interface their stuff with the RLV.

Fourthly, yes the sources are available (well, diffs files since the sources are a bit big, but retrieving the sources packages from the SL website and applying the diffs make a fully functional RLV). Security concerns are totally justified, but I will repeat what I already said in another thread : my name is very well known in the BDSM community of SL, my reputation is solid so people trust me to not steal their passwords, money or personal information. I think that's what made it successful so fast.

And lastly, the eternal debate "voluntary submission" Vs "forced submission" does not really make sense to me. I think that the viewer, like restraints, is only a tool to grant the Dom/me more control. Some Dom/mes and subs like to give more control, others don't. Some people despise it because they feel a true submissive must obey at all times, and that the viewer and restraints pollute an otherwise completely symbiotic and consensual relationship. Well I repeat, this is just an additional tool, nothing more.


Hope this makes things clearer,

Marine


PS : About the settings not resetting to "Second Life Release", I am aware of it but have no solution yet. LL has changed the way settings are handled since 1.20, and I'm still struggling to find a solution to this problem.

PS2 : Thanks for the kind words btw !

Respectfully, you are describing your own view of D/s. Different people have different views, and RLV can work into some of those views very nicely. It's not for everyone (obviously), but there's nothing inferior about the submission of people who do find it's usage pleasing.

I can see what you mean by it being an additional tool for people who wish to use them to exercise that degree of control (or cede it), but hopefully you can at least understand the contra argument. if you can't, that would be quite extraordinary I think.

That's pretty much it. RLV is the fully functional gimp suit of SL. I know a couple dolls that use it in order to let their owners play dressup without having to deal with "Please put *this* on now" kinds of conversations. And, it's really a matter of trust. Any sort of D/S relationship is based on a certain level of trust and respect. (^_^)

Running in RLV is much like a lot of RL symbols of fidelity. It starts as an agreement from one person to the next and creates the restraints necessary to allow that loyalty to stick even when the mind wavers. A wedding ring won't physically stop a spouse from cheating, but seeing it and feeling it on the finger can be a clue to how a person should behave. Same with RLV... You could just as easily want to break away and run off on your own, but once you attempt to detach a locked item, you get that little reminding *nudge* to remind you of your place. (^_^)

As for a help/training tool... I'm sure it would have to be re-coded to include more freedoms for the user and limitations for the trainer. I can't say that having remote clothing and attachment permissions would be helpful, because it could lead the person to be dependent on that feature and not be able to function on their own. But, really, for every problem there's a solution somewhere. (^_^)y

I have made a hud system for the RLV using the most comon commands, at first I had it programmed to always accept commands from the controll part but as I started selling the system I got requests for a allow/ban system because several subs where not allowed to use it without it, a lot of Dom's feel a need to prottect their sub and an opensystem does not give any protection.

offcourse others enjoy the danger of anyone with the controll hud to take controll of them so I made modes where the controll can be restricted to the allow list or not and where safe wording and mode switching can be turned off, personaly I advice against turning off the safeword option because you can become stuck at a place naked and with the only way out to log off, and login with a normal client to escape, but some like that danger.

Of course I understand that some people just don't need restraints/collars etc to submit. Some want to submit, others want to be submitted, others want to be taught to submit. The difference is huge and all points of view have to be respected. What I don't want to read is something like "This viewer is useless and even dangerous, because it kills the submission and relationship." (actual sentence I've read somewhere, but not here). And Lexxi is right, most of the time the sub is the one who suggests to be enforced to use the viewer. Very rarely have I heard of Dom/mes imposing it on their subs. So the consensuality is still there, fortunately.




lol that one is funny

I would not have put it so harshly. I have used the RLV before. I simply missed the oppertunities act my part. Each command is a choice to obey and every act of obediance reinforced my position. I simpely and selfishly wanted the those choices back.

To me the greatest benifit was the locked collar. To anyone who makes clothes, you can not imagine the feeling of trying on some new clothes all in an effort to be attractive to your partner when something wants to attach to the chest point and knocks off the very symbol of all that you do. We feel naked, vulnerible and mostly ashamed.

Beacuse of this, even if I don't use the RLV all the time, I do use it for trying on new outfits and repositioning attached clothing points as necessary. I then put the outfit in it's own folder and apend the name with (cs) to show it is collar safe.


Thank you, Marine, for your hard work and letting me use the tools you have made.

Its about adding a new level of emotional believability & authenticity. For instance: why bother to conduct BDSM or Gorean scenery in SL at all? Why not just do it in HTML chat rooms? Because the immersion in a 3-d visual world gives it a higher level of believability. Its the same with these toys. Yes, you can just "obey" your owner. But if you are restrained in RL, your desire to "obey" is irrelevant, its the same with these toys. It allows for one to feel their slavery on a deeper level regardless of the owner's presence inworld. For me, that brings a more profound sense of eroticism and submission.

I respect your perspective of things, and I hope you can see mine as well. Simply "obeying" isn't enough to pull my trigger, I want to feel it on a deeper level, the RLV allows me to do that. Its not much different than my RL man saying: "Don't wear that out", versus physically dressing me in what he wants coupled with the command to wear it. I find the second scenario far more stimulating to have him perform the act then to just follow mere words.

Experiences always differ . From my experience and other subbies I know, it has always been the Dom(me) that demanded the RL viewer.

That's not how I've seen it used though: Dom(me) wants to strip so they just do it and there's no typing of any kind.

As far as RP goes, the restrictions get in the way more often than they help in my experience, especially if the Dom(me) isn't keeping careful track of what's been restricted (ask to wear while inventory is restricted, expected to click something while the HUD is on, necessary to chat while "gagged", etc) or side-effects such as not being able to sit while leashed or accept a tp.

Xcite out of experience and because I keep seeing or hearing about situations where nothing or barely anything is emoted or said and it's just menu clicking: restrict chat, restrict IM, leash, drag, strip, unleash, force sit, do something for a while, force unsit, leash, drag, etc all in complete silence or the ever-exciting "mmmmm".

For me and other subbies I know who've been 'forced' into them the shackles have become the mark of a bad Dom(me). There may be some who use them for the prop it really is, but they'd seem to be a minority.

I do know a few people that have used this client program and I personally find a few things within it to be very distasteful and quite frankly FAR too controlling.

Restricting IMs, Chat and Teleports?

Sorry, no.

I cannot see any reason whatsoever for this: Not for role Play purposes, not for Lifestyle purposes ... There is no reason good enough to justify this kind of function whatsoever.

Want your Sub to stop talking to certain people? Ask them to mute those people. If they refuse to do so and tell you that they are their friends? Drop it and leave it be.

Want them to stay put? Ask them to stick around. Again, if they do not wish to then you have no right to tell them or force them otherwise.

If you do use such features forcefully, you have no right to call yourself anything other than a controlling jack ass.

If this sort of relationship is just in Role Play? Well now you'd better remember that people are not always in character. Using a client like this and the features in it when not in character should earn the one doing it a nice, hot lava enema.

Is this your lifestyle? respect the wishes of your Sub. If they show that they do not want you to restrict certain things and are uncomfortable with it? You'd better listen to them. Period. No discussion. No debate over what a real Dom is. No protests.

Listen and respect their wishes or find someone else to exert your control over.

It all comes down to different kinks, I think. I personally have no need for this tool, because it doesn't fit into the way this particular kink plays out for me. I have also never actually *used* pose collars that much -- they are there, but I rarely use them to make someone take on a pose at my whim, or vice versa -- just very uninteresting to me, from either perspective.

But I would guess that people who wish to have more control, or be more directly controlled -- similar to those who have a strong restraint fetish -- this could be a useful tool. It could of course also be very bad in the hands of an abusive person, but that's true for a number of things in SL.



Keep in mind that some people do have very strong restraint fetishes. They wish to be bound and gagged, and if they are truly restricted from talking it feels more like they are gagged, truly restricted from moving it feels more like they are bound, etc. Different fetishes for different people ... not my cup of tea, personally, but there are many people who like this kind of play.

You are correct. There is no right or wrong way. RLV is a tool. It's another prop to be used as the D/s team prefer. Some people like chocolate, others prefer vanilla -- maybe a bad choice of words for an analogy considering the topic at hand. Just like any other discussion considering fetishes and limits, it's up to the people involved to use or ignore as they seee fit. If it turns you on, use it. If not, don't. It really is as simple as that.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Marine's Real Restraints or get questions answered on the viewer we run FREE classes on a Friday starting 12.00pm SL time in the Lecture Area at our plot here

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Eaton/66/177/97/

We look forward to perhaps seeing some of you there