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Sensuous Maximus
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12-08-2007 23:20
Would like to know where I should post this question: I don't want to post it in the wrong location (it'd be my luck that I'm posting THIS to the wrong forum even. >takes a deep breath<.

I accidentally dragged and dropped some Linden Dollars onto the wrong person in my friends list. Now, that person who received this money accidentally, is not returning it, and is avoiding me (some friend, huh?). Where should I post this question, or at least.... what on sim earth should I do? >asks with big puppy eyes, hoping someone will have pity<

Thank you in advance, from a Fumble Fingered SL Forum Newbie ;-)
Ann Launay
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12-08-2007 23:25
If they won't give it back voluntarily, there's nothing you can do. Our Linden overlords do not get involved in Resident disputes.
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Sensuous Maximus
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12-08-2007 23:36
Thank you Ann for the quick answer...

If it were a small amount of money, I'd say... "enjoy my friend" but it was rather substantial.

I know he belongs to, and is highly active in some military groups. I'm sure all it would take is for me to threaten to share his dirty deed with his fellow "soldiers" to encourage him to do the right thing. I've been extremely friendly to him so far, so he has no reason but to return the favor.. (yeah, I know, in a perfect world, right?)

Thanks again!
SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-08-2007 23:45
How does one drag and drop linden dollars?

I'm too tight fisted to know much about spending money.
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Dekka Raymaker
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12-09-2007 02:05
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
How does one drag and drop linden dollars?

I'm too tight fisted to know much about spending money.


Suezanne, open search, select tab 'people' type in 'Dekka Raymaker', at the bottom' drag!!!! your mouse cursor over 'pay' click it and type in the figure that's at the top right corner.
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Conan Godwin
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12-09-2007 02:09
From: Sensuous Maximus
Thank you Ann for the quick answer...

If it were a small amount of money, I'd say... "enjoy my friend" but it was rather substantial.

I know he belongs to, and is highly active in some military groups. I'm sure all it would take is for me to threaten to share his dirty deed with his fellow "soldiers" to encourage him to do the right thing. I've been extremely friendly to him so far, so he has no reason but to return the favor.. (yeah, I know, in a perfect world, right?)

Thanks again!


There is no "dirty deed". You made an error - he has done nothing wrong. What he did is not like stealing - it's like finding money in the street.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-09-2007 02:11
From: Dekka Raymaker
Suezanne, open search, select tab 'people' type in 'Dekka Raymaker', at the bottom' drag!!!! your mouse cursor over 'pay' click it and type in the figure that's at the top right corner.

That's not dragging and dropping Lindens dollars, that's typing numbers in an amount to pay field.
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Conan Godwin
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12-09-2007 02:13
From: Dekka Raymaker
Suezanne, open search, select tab 'people' type in 'Dekka Raymaker', at the bottom' drag!!!! your mouse cursor over 'pay' click it and type in the figure that's at the top right corner.



From: SuezanneC Baskerville
That's not dragging and dropping Lindens dollars, that's typing numbers in an amount to pay field.


The only way to know for sure is to try it, Suezanne.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Sling Trebuchet
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12-09-2007 02:19
From: Conan Godwin
There is no "dirty deed". You made an error - he has done nothing wrong. What he did is not like stealing - it's like finding money in the street.


You're joking Conan?

Of course the pond-scum has done something "wrong".
He knows a mistake was made. He has a moral duty to return the money.

It's the same as if you were walking down the street and someone in front of you accidentally dropped a wad of cash.
You pick it up.
He notices and naturally expects you to give it back.
You don't offer to do so.
He asks you to give it to him.
You refuse, on the basis that you found it.


If you really believe that the perp should not give back the money, then you are someone that I never ever want to have dealings with in SL or RL.
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Conan Godwin
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12-09-2007 02:30
From: Sling Trebuchet
You're joking Conan?

Of course the pond-scum has done something "wrong".
He knows a mistake was made. He has a moral duty to return the money.

It's the same as if you were walking down the street and someone in front of you accidentally dropped a wad of cash.
You pick it up.
He notices and naturally expects you to give it back.
You don't offer to do so.
He asks you to give it to him.
You refuse, on the basis that you found it.


If you really believe that the perp should not give back the money, then you are someone that I never ever want to have dealings with in SL or RL.


No I'm not joking, and it is nothing like seeing someone drop money in the street. The OP actually gave him the money; it's like he put some money in an envelope, wrote the other guys name and address on it, put a stamp on it and posted it to him, then asked for it back.

I personally would have given the money back - but I'm damn well being extra nice and doing him a favour by doing so.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Hiro Queso
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12-09-2007 02:43
From: Conan Godwin
No I'm not joking, and it is nothing like seeing someone drop money in the street. The OP actually gave him the money; it's like he put some money in an envelope, wrote the other guys name and address on it, put a stamp on it and posted it to him, then asked for it back.


Are you suggesting it wasn't a mistake? I mean the above situation you use as a comparison is a conscious well prepared action.

From: Conan Godwin
I personally would have given the money back - but I'm damn well being extra nice and doing him a favour by doing so.


I think you would only be doing the right (and expected) thing, and not a blot more. I suppose we all see things like this differently, and that is what makes the world a colourful place.
Conan Godwin
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12-09-2007 02:49
From: Hiro Queso
Are you suggesting it wasn't a mistake? I mean the above situation you use as a comparison is a conscious well prepared action.

I think you would only be doing the right (and expected) thing, and not a blot more. I suppose we all see things like this differently, and that is what makes the world a colourful place.



I count acts of stupidity as being deliberate - like having an unplanned pregnancy when there are millions of different types of contraception available. Accidents are what happen when you try your best but something is beyond your abilities to do successfully.

Regardless of what is expected, the person who drops the money has no way to compel me to give the money back, so by doing so I am being an extra swell guy.

I might claim a 10% admin fee, however.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Conifer Dada
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12-09-2007 03:11
Best to go 'grrrrr' and forget the money. I was once buying a 32m plot for L$450 but accidentally clicked the neighbouring 32m and ended up paying L$3500 for it. But there was nothing I could do about it.
Sling Trebuchet
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12-09-2007 04:13
It's common in these forums to see people being confused between morality and an interpretation of the TOS.


Giving back money transferred by mistake is simply the right thing to do.
Nobody is being *extra* good in doing so. They are simply doing what's right.
The legal or TOS situation is entirely separate from morality.

A sure sign of a villain is to see them defending their actions based on the TOS rather than based on morality.


There is nothing the OP can do to force the scumbag to return the money. LL won't get involved. For all we know, this situation might not be exactly as reported by the OP.
In the absence of the money being returned, his only active option is to shame the lowlife within their circle of acquaintances. Just stick to the facts though - No name-calling. Just report the facts.
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Cole Riel
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12-09-2007 04:42
From: Sensuous Maximus
Thank you Ann for the quick answer...

If it were a small amount of money, I'd say... "enjoy my friend" but it was rather substantial.

I know he belongs to, and is highly active in some military groups. I'm sure all it would take is for me to threaten to share his dirty deed with his fellow "soldiers" to encourage him to do the right thing. I've been extremely friendly to him so far, so he has no reason but to return the favor.. (yeah, I know, in a perfect world, right?)

Thanks again!


You're new? First off, learn that you don't really have any friends in sl. Aquaintances yes, friends no. And if by chance you do happen to aquire a real true friend, it's just going to be one or a very, very few.

Even people who are suppose to be family in sl like mom and pop or sis and cousin, are constantly stealing each others boyfriend or wife. Some relatives, huh?

A lot of backstabbing goes on among so called "friends" in sl.

In these forums you're see a lot of fake people talking the good talk but that's all it is, talk.

Bottom line: Don't trust anyone, period.
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12-09-2007 04:47
From: Sling Trebuchet
A sure sign of a villain is to see them defending their actions based on the TOS rather than based on morality.


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12-09-2007 04:49
From: Sling Trebuchet
A sure sign of a villain is to see them defending their actions based on the TOS rather than based on morality.


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Panacea Pangaea
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12-09-2007 04:51
Conan - regarding items lost and found (a digression since it's not the situation of the OP) it seems you, like many others, labour under the misapprehension that lost property legally becomes the property of the finder.

But fortunately, 'finders keepers' is not upheld by the laws in my country and many others around the works.

(condensing a few sources:) In countries like the UK and the US, the goal under common law is to reunite the lost property with its true owner. At common law, the finder of a lost item could claim the right to possess the item against any other person in the world except the true owner. Moreover, statutes typically require a finder to report and/or relinquish the found property to local authorities, publish the find in a local publication, and wait a statutorily proscribed time period prior to asserting ownership.

But then, you probably knew this, and were just being your usual provocative self.
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12-09-2007 04:52
From: Sling Trebuchet
A sure sign of a villain is to see them defending their actions based on the TOS rather than based on morality.


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Nina Stepford
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12-09-2007 04:54
yep. im just a fake person talking the talk...
conan just likes to troll, and cole sounds like he's been burnt by an ex or whatnot. dont let them make you think everyone is as bad as they may be themselves.
From: Cole Riel
You're new? First off, learn that you don't really have any friends in sl. Aquaintances yes, friends no. And if by chance you do happen to aquire a real true friend, it's just going to be one or a very, very few.

Even people who are suppose to be family in sl like mom and pop or sis and cousin, are constantly stealing each others boyfriend or wife. Some relatives, huh?

A lot of backstabbing goes on among so called "friends" in sl.

In these forums you're see a lot of fake people talking the good talk but that's all it is, talk.

Bottom line: Don't trust anyone, period.
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Mjolnir Uriza
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12-09-2007 06:28
From: Conan Godwin
There is no "dirty deed". You made an error - he has done nothing wrong. What he did is not like stealing - it's like finding money in the street.

no it's stealling! end of line it is not your it was not ment for you and it's is not like finding money on the street you know where it came from.

and yes they did do something wrong! when an error was made they have capitalised on it by not returning it to it's rightful owner when that line is crossed it becoumes stealing just like walking into somebodys house and taking the TV. there really is not much of a gray area here
Alicia Sautereau
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12-09-2007 07:26
as you either need to open friends list, select the profile, open it, click the pay button and enter an amount, using search to find a person is even worse to throw it as an excuse so no there is no "drag&drop" for paying some one

there is nothing you can do and making that person look bad to his friend will only backfire as being an ass is allowed as he did nothing wrong

personally i wouldn`t have returned the money either for 24-48 hours depending if the person would live with it or not, just to stamp in to learn to double and tripple check the next time to enter the correct name

yes, loosing money due to a mistake sucks, but you can`t blame him (besides being an ass) as you have had enough time to make sure you opend the right profile
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Nika Talaj
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12-09-2007 07:30
This person is clearly unscrupulous. But, if you tell a group that he belongs to about him, remember two can play that game. And the people hearing the warning have no way of judging whether what they hear about someone is simply slander or a true warning.

This used to happen all the time at mob vends (well, for all I know it still does). When the price reaches its lowest value, you have a limited time to buy and there is of course a mob, mostly noobs, standing around, so often people accidently click on an avatar instead of the sign, and end up paying them instead. It happened more than once to me, and of course I always just paid the money back to the person. But judging by their relief, I guess people don't always return the money.
Kitty Barnett
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12-09-2007 08:31
From: Alicia Sautereau
as you either need to open friends list, select the profile, open it, click the pay button and enter an amount, using search to find a person is even worse to throw it as an excuse so no there is no "drag&drop" for paying some one
There's a pay button right on the friends list actually, no need to open anyone's profile.
Alicia Sautereau
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12-09-2007 08:37
From: Kitty Barnett
There's a pay button right on the friends list actually, no need to open anyone's profile.

d`oh i feel stupid :o
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