How tall is "not a child av"

OK, I've not been using SL much lately, and didn't log on at all for a year or two before that, so the policy changes as regards ageplay totally passed me by until recently.

The basic question is: just how tall do I have to be so that people will not think I'm a child?

My av has traditionally been pretty damn short (because I think it's cute). This is complicated by the fact that he sometimes wears diapers (because I have a fetish *grin*). Other than that, he doesn't dress like a kid, talk like a kid or act like a kid. He's a furry so he can't really be said to have a child-like face (it's identical to a 6'6" furry av's head). He smokes and wears restraints. There's a note in his profile stating he is not a child, just small/cute.

But, people still ask, usually in mature places, because he's so short (especially compared to the Gargantuan Monsters that most avs are in actual measurements), and I'm wondering just how big my mesh has to be before people stop asking.

Edit: I'm not trying to start any kind of discussion/argument about the policy itself here, I understand it and am attempting to abide by it, I just want to know what the community thinks a reasonable height is.

Answer: it varies. People as tall as six scale feet have been accused of being child AV. Attire and activities can also affect how one is viewed, though height seems to be the main determining factor.

Well, yeah. I realise there isn't a single answer. Eye-height measurement scripts say he's something like 4'1" (then add quite a few inches for his furry head) - this didn't seem to bother anyone when I was new here years ago, but it seems to now, so I'm intending to go through the hassle of resizing him and all his accessories. I don't want to be seven feet tall though, I like being substantially shorter than the standard, so I'm trying to get some idea of how far I need to go

since Im 9 (av age, NOT RL) Im 4'9" now, when I started as a 5 yo av I was 3'9" son child avs can grow.

kids on stilts are hawt, lol

Second Life handles heights weird. My avatar is exactly six feet tall, but when I hang out with my friends even some of the female avatars tower over me, simply because most people walk around with gigantic proportions. It can be a little off putting, but typically a child avatar is around I would guess 4 feet tall on the slider scale.

Im a 9yo an 4'9" but I play basketball hehehe

It seems that any time your avatar is smaller than your usual crowd, you face some possibility of being considered a child avatar. Add things like a diaper, and you are likely going to have to deal with such an issue. If you want to avoid any such trouble, then you''re likely going to have to max out the sliders -- and even then, there are people who will take offense to a furry who wears restraints and a diaper at any size.

A few months back, I interviewed a woman who had a 6' tall avatar that dressed conservatively, was clearly an adult in appearance, and made it clear in her profile. She was harassed for being an "ageplayer." Without editorializing too much, ya, it comes down to how much yer willing to put up with from yer fellow SLers sometimes. I should note you might get more positive experiences amoungst other furs (many of which are smaller than the human types) than amongst the average human.

My avatar is 3' 9" according to some of those things. A bit taller in shoes and counting the hair. I would suspect that my six anna half year old self would prob'ly be close to looking you inna eye.

In my *personal* opinion, if an avatar dresses and acts like an adult and says that he or she is an adult in their profile then he or she *is* an adult regardless of height.

I have several alts who are all adults ranging from 5'2" down to 4'9" and none of them has ever been accused of ageplay. One did get directed to the kid's section of a store once but after a couple moments of conversation the shopkeeper realized he was talking with an adult.

And I totally agree that it is quite strange to hang out with 7+ foot tall average avatars. Even 6 foot tall Carl feels overwhelmed usually.

Well, sure, if your avatar is human. But....a furry?

I understand and share the concerns about the problematic nature of the uses to which depictions of human children have been put, online.

But I'm not even remotely getting why this would apply to non-human avatars.

Well I manage a strip club, so I have to deal with this question pretty frequently, for customers and for folks applying for jobs. The ongoing justification I have heard, that "Hey, I'm 5'9", the same height I am in RL!" just doesn't wash, sorry. Those numbers are meaningless to me. The only thing I can do is compare your height to the height of an average av, even if LL SAYS the average av is 6'7". Also, as stated before, your manner of dress, the appearance of your av (if you're female, 5'1" and you have no breasts or hips at all, for instance), and what groups you belong to, all enter into it. I had a female av apply for a job, and she gave me the "Hey, I'm normal size, it's you all who are giants," line, but she was wearing a school girl uniform, her shape was that of a prepubescent girl, and she belonged to more than one group listed as modeling agencies for child avs. Well...sorry, thanks for playing our game and we have some lovely parting gifts. Likewise, if somebody comes in at 4' tall and is wearing diapers, I'm afraid that you're not going to last too long in our place, though being a furry would probably work in your favor. And the "I'm not a child av, I'm just small and cute," line in your profile is meaningless. It doesn't prove you're not really a child av. It just proves that you can say that you're not.

The bottom line is, if you own a mature sim or parcel, in which public activity could be considered sexual in nature, then you're just going to have to err on the side of caution.

I'm 1.2 meters tall (4'1", but I have been visited by the titty fairy (and I have beautiful wings), so I have never really had a problem. There has been an occasional comment about me being too short, but they never define what is proper height either.

It is more about attitude and dress than anything else.

for the most part my child av friends and myself wouldnt be found dead in a strip bar.... its just common sense.

Heh.. yeah, there are some people who are gonna be upset regardless, but if that happens I will take him elsewhere; I'm bizarre but I'm not here to push it in people's faces. I'm just trying to make sure that that's an uncommon occurrence, which I suspect it won't be if he keeps wandering around the way he looks now
Yeah, this is likely true, but SL's a big place and the furries are far from the center of all interesting entertainments Gotta be at least a little accomodating to the common sensibilities, social harmony and all that.
Heh, probably. But you kids shouldn't be hanging around me, I am highly inappropriate
I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought this was a justification: I mentioned the eye height only as some kind of reference. Scale is what it is, for better or for worse: he is a really short av.
Yes, I realise, so my question was is there a height where you'd probably assume it was ok? Not that I am expecting your establishment to accomodate me; s'up to you what you let folks do on your land.
Yup, but I figured it can't hurt.
Understood and appreciated; I don't expect anyone to risk TOS violation on my account, or even change their personal preferences. I really didn't mean to start a debate on the 'rightness' of people's judgments here, I'm just trying to find myself a practical compromise between what residents are hopefully mostly comfortable with, and what I want my av to look like.

Well yes, but I'm *not* a child, that being the point of wanting people to not assume I am. Though strip clubs are not my scene in any case.

I would agree that a lot of consideration should be taken into the "total package" and not just the height. I have a Japanese alt who is a lot shorter than the average SL female and may even be closer in height to a SL child AV depending on the child AV's age.

However, she is a well proportioned female dressed in traditional kimono. I generally keep her in Asian sims but once she went to a hair store and talk about feeling like I was in the land of giants!! No flak there though; just got a crick in my neck from looking up all the time.

You will find that no one in SL is accepted by all, so just shrug it off as I do Make sure your happy

it's odd, I've kept a 5'6" (SL measure) av my entire existence in SL (excepting my Child av which is much shorter) and NEVER been harassed about my size (and only commented on twice "wow you're short"... my child av has NEVER been harassed, asked to leave, or banned/ejected... anywhere (though one person did express some deference once because "there's a child in the room".

seriously, where are you people hanging out?

it may have something to do with hanging out with roleplayers and intelligentsia but I go shopping and sim hopping too... I don't get it. who are these whiny people and how come I always miss them.

The difference is your child av presumably doesn't go to mature locations and do adult things.
As regards the whole ageplay policy I am basically in the opposite position to the kid av roleplayers: I am not trying to portray a child in any way and thus I expect to be able to do things adults do. Things have changed in my long absence and now that I'm aware of the policy I'm trying to take reasonable steps to ensure I'm unlikely to be mistaken for a child and possibly ARed for it, without totally discarding the notion of what I want my av to look like. Sticking all the sliders up to max would probably convince people, as Marianne said, but that's not a nice aesthetic for me

And yes, Toy, nobody is accepted by all but there's a difference between disapproving comments and stuff that might eventually lead to being banned.

If you are short and wear diapers what do you seriously expect people to think? o.O

I am short too (furry, because it is cute, not because of a fetish) and have been harrassed for being a "child" although my avatar clearly is a grown up. Well I muted them, problem solved.

Im afraid if I was a small adult av and a club was anal about av size I wouldnt want to be there and would save them a ban, its not worth my time or energy to argue with someone who wont listen

The small size mixed with the diaper would throw me off and make me think baby age, even if the avatar acts adult. If you ditch the diaper, you could probably get away with a smaller avatar.

please do not empower these people. just tell them to fuck off and deal with it.
i am very short (5'6" prim height) and anyone that doesnt like it can piss off.

for the most part, no, she doesn't hang out in bdsm dungeons, or go shopping on Xcite's private island... but she has been into plenty of bedrooms, adult clubs, and shopping in venues that have a large amount of fetish items. not often, but it's happened (mostly because I just don't think about it, just like a kid wandering around) I also tend to wear my different av's to roleplay a character, and go where that might be conducive, so that could be it....

I really am honest in wondering where some of these places are... I'd rather avoid assholes than argue with them

If you want a short av but to look adult I'd say - makeup (if female) or facial hair (if male) would help. Body proportions of an adult. I've known people who wanted their av to be petite like they were in RL and made their av their RL height or very close to it. But, they had grownup proportions, hairstyle, and makeup, etc. (Shoes also count)

I see no reason people can't have 'short' adult avs, but I can see too why some sims would err on the side of caution as someone put it.

Obviously, ponytails, frilly dresses, short pants, etc. are gonna mark the av as a child no matter what the profile says. Sometimes the teen/tween looking avs are a hard call...a shortish av with a frilly babydoll dress and ponytails might be flagged as a child av, if the sim is worried (and they could lose their sim, so I can't blame any of them). Solution, change av or change clothes if going to a Mature sim. shrug