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When is it a good idea NOT to engage?

Mickey Vandeverre
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11-02-2009 11:54
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan
I think this thread should be safe, considering there are 'people' who have me on ignore! Well, one person. Well, one twat. Anyways........

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Maybe when you feel compelled to refer to someone as a "twat?"
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11-02-2009 12:07
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan
When is it a good idea NOT to engage?
I've kind of been burned and have therefore decided that one should never get engaged in SL, let alone actually get married.




Oops, I think I read that title wrong

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11-02-2009 12:08
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
I find it's often useless and a waste of time to engage in long winded debates in the forums and it boils down to egos wanting to prove that they are right. In the big scheme of things, you rarely change minds and it often makes little difference in what you end up saying in many cases.


This ^^ I don't like debate and am not well skilled at it. However, I have very strong opinions and a few things I am passionate about. I will often state my opinion and that's the end of it. Often I rarely read that thread anymore once I've given my opinion.

Interestingly, having now spent over 2 years in SL and about the same length of time in these forums, the combination have reminded me of what is truly important to me in life, what I want to pursue and where I wish to expend my energies. Debating often inane topics is not it.

There now, I've stated my opinion. :p
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Lias Leandros
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11-02-2009 12:10
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan
So, in the interests of furthering debate, when should it be clear that one is dealing with what I think is technically known as a fruitloop, and it might be pointless to try to enter into any form of dialogue? Or should we press on regardless because, let's face it, mad people are funny, and if they have an appetite for argument is it far to deprive them?

I'll kick off, shall I?

It only becomes pointless when the men in white coats are actually at the ( basement ) door. Up to then, it is valid to refute the many and various bonkers claims put forward, always assuming we still give a shit.
I do not consider posters are fruitloop or 'crazy'. That is a comment made to insult and demean the person posting. It is an attempt to make anything these folks posted void. To claim to be able to diagnose mental illness by reading internet postings is just nonsense and no mental health professional would ever make such a claim.

I believe the lack of communication comes in because this is an international audience and there are language and life experience bariers that get in the way. I believe that investing the keystrokes to get past these barriers is worth the effort. Although making said effort hoping to change someone's viewpoint is a waste of time.
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11-02-2009 12:12
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Maybe when you feel compelled to refer to someone as a "twat?"


Yeah; once that came into my head, I doubt I'd let it come off my fingers, and would no doubt disengage at that time.
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11-02-2009 12:17
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan
I think this thread should be safe, considering there are 'people' who have me on ignore! Well, one person. Well, one twat. Anyways........


From: Mickey Vandeverre
Maybe when you feel compelled to refer to someone as a "twat?"


This.
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11-02-2009 12:19
From: Lias Leandros
To claim to be able to diagnose mental illness by reading internet postings is just nonsense and no mental health professional would ever make such a claim.


Which is why I never claimed to be a mental health professional! grin

Crazy or not crazy, you decide...

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Yah, I think sometimes you can make a pretty good diagnosis... either that, or they are faking it really good to make teh internets moneh...
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11-02-2009 12:35
From: Milla Janick
Sometimes it is not about engaging them, and you end up writing for the rest of the audience.

There are people I know are never going to come around, but I will reply so that it is clear to everyone else that they are irrational.
This. It'd be one thing if the things we were arguing about were not of great consequence; I would just back away when it becomes clear the other side is not interested in actual debate. However, it's quite another thing entirely when the topic IS something of grave importance, and the other person is busy spewing off ideas that simple herbs can cure cancer and cure AIDS, but "the man" doesn't want you to have it... Stuff like that can be quite damaging if left unchecked and unchallenged. It's not about egos or pride in this case; it is about preventing some whacko dispensing medical advice without a license from ruining someone else's life with bad advice - or worse, the lives of their children.
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11-02-2009 12:38
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11-02-2009 12:40
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan
I think this thread should be safe, considering there are 'people' who have me on ignore! Well, one person. Well, one twat. Anyways........

So, in the interests of furthering debate, when should it be clear that one is dealing with what I think is technically known as a fruitloop, and it might be pointless to try to enter into any form of dialogue? Or should we press on regardless because, let's face it, mad people are funny, and if they have an appetite for argument is it far to deprive them?

I'll kick off, shall I?

It only becomes pointless when the men in white coats are actually at the ( basement ) door. Up to then, it is valid to refute the many and various bonkers claims put forward, always assuming we still give a shit.


Not satisfied with the heaping upon the people in the other threads, you had to begin one just to talk about what's wrong with other people? People you've never met.

This says a lot more about yourself than it does about anyone you are seeking to denigrate.
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11-02-2009 12:49
From: Melita Magic
Not satisfied with the heaping upon the people in the other threads, you had to begin one just to talk about what's wrong with other people? People you've never met.

This says a lot more about yourself than it does about anyone you are seeking to denigrate.

Bingo! I'll add to the soup constant whiners and chronic complainers.
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11-02-2009 12:55
When not to engage? I'm staying well clear of the whole Bloodlines thread. They're probably discussing childbot camping sexbed spampyres at this very moment. I also refuse to discuss Twilight or any suggestion that real vampires sparkle.

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11-02-2009 13:06
From: Melita Magic
Not satisfied with the heaping upon the people in the other threads, you had to begin one just to talk about what's wrong with other people? People you've never met.

It isn't necessary to meet to make a judgement regarding someone. You probably haven't "met" a majority of people you've interacted with in SL, yet I'm sure you have made judgements based upon the contact that you've had.

Each environment provides some context to judge a person's intelligence and character. Each environment has its limitations. But the notion that you can't perceive character flaws or talk about them without actually having met the person involved is specious.
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11-02-2009 13:07
From: Veritable Quandry
I also refuse to discuss Twilight or any suggestion that real vampires sparkle. -pic-
Is that the teenage heartthrob vampire boy from Twilight?

I don't know about whether *he* sparkles, but I think he could make other people sparkle!

ummm...... oh yeah, the topic of this thread .... in my saner moments I remind myself that no one here has solicited Nika's terribly special perspective on anything, so all these threads can do just fine without my wise or playful or pretentious words.

Probably, any thread that manages to get by without my comments is better for it! I don't really have any excuse for posting at all, except that it entertains me.
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11-02-2009 13:09
From: Alvaro Zapatero
It isn't necessary to meet to make a judgement regarding someone. You probably haven't "met" a majority of people you've interacted with in SL, yet I'm sure you have made judgements based upon the contact that you've had.

Each environment provides some context to judge a person's intelligence and character. Each environment has its limitations. But the notion that you can't perceive character flaws or talk about them without actually having met the person involved is specious.


So I'm the one making specious accusations, by advising courtesy and self restraint?

Interesting.
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11-02-2009 13:20
As soon as it becomes boring.

Pep (for me; which is apparently not the same as for others.)
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11-02-2009 13:34
From: Pserendipity Daniels
As soon as it becomes boring.

Pep (for me; which is apparently not the same as for others.)


I stop as posing soon as a thread becomes boring to Pep too. I mean what is a thread without Pep? ;)
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11-02-2009 13:36
From: Whimsycallie Pegler
I mean what is a thread without Pep? ;)

Better.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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11-02-2009 13:39
From: Alvaro Zapatero
It isn't necessary to meet to make a judgement regarding someone. You probably haven't "met" a majority of people you've interacted with in SL, yet I'm sure you have made judgements based upon the contact that you've had.

Each environment provides some context to judge a person's intelligence and character. Each environment has its limitations. But the notion that you can't perceive character flaws or talk about them without actually having met the person involved is specious.


I don't think you can make judgments about a person from reading a few paragraphs they posted in forum.

Do you? Seriously?

I mean....if I had to make a judgment call on this.....

From: Alvaro Zapatero
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I might think you were a wee bit wacked. Maybe off your medication, today.
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11-02-2009 13:48
From: Mickey Vandeverre
I don't think you can make judgments about a person from reading a few paragraphs they posted in forum.

Do you? Seriously?

I mean....if I had to make a judgment call on this.....



I might think you were a wee bit wacked. Maybe off your medication, today.


Why not? People insist they can make judgements from reading a few lines in a profile.
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11-02-2009 13:48
From: Mickey Vandeverre
I don't think you can make judgments about a person from reading a few paragraphs they posted in forum.

Do you? Seriously?


Sure you can make judgements. They just may not be very accurate. Although in my experience my first impression (good or bad) often turns out to be correct. I personally choose not to go by it though and get to know people a little more. *shrugs*
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11-02-2009 13:49
From: Veritable Quandry
When not to engage? I'm staying well clear of the whole Bloodlines thread. They're probably discussing childbot camping sexbed spampyres at this very moment. I also refuse to discuss Twilight or any suggestion that real vampires sparkle.


Real vampires become a pile of ash in the sun... maybe sparkling piles of ash, but ash none the less.

On the topic: I stop engaging and use the ignore feature when I find myself sinking to the level of a kindergartener having a "You doo-doo head!" moment. If I can't discuss it like an adult, then there's no point in typing it.
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11-02-2009 13:52
From: Mickey Vandeverre
I don't think you can make judgments about a person from reading a few paragraphs they posted in forum.

Do you? Seriously?
Well, when, for example, someone quotes David Icke as an authority and then purports to be surprised and annoyed to be met with general skepticism and hilarity, I feel safe in concluding that person is either credulous in the extreme or is trolling. What do you think?
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11-02-2009 13:54
From: Whimsycallie Pegler
Sure you can make judgements. They just may not be very accurate. Although in my experience my first impression (good or bad) often turns out to be correct. I personally choose not to go by it though and get to know people a little more. *shrugs*


Well, yeah....we all make them. I should have said...."Should" we make them?
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11-02-2009 13:57
From: Nika Talaj
Can I be wong without disagreeing with you? I have some fabulous Chinese hair ....
Anyone with fabulous Chinese hair can, of course. We can spend some time being wrong together :D
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