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Nakie Nightfire
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11-18-2008 11:25
*JIRA is a truncation of Gojira (the Japanese name for Godzilla). I have two wonderful non-residential sims I've worked thousands of hours to create. They are free and open to ALL residents of SL, representing the Desert Southwestern USA. Those openspace/void sims are: "Sonora Sands" & "Mojave Sands." Both are no-weapons, clothing optional, Native American-themed. I can't afford the Homestead upgrade, so have announced that as of December 01, 2008 I will return them to my Estate Owner to do with what she desires. What "The Lab" has done is not just shoot themselves in the foot, they've given all the talented volunteer programmers who've been contributing to their opensource project (without having their fixes implemented) a reason to leave once and for all—and most are going to OpenSim and OpenLife. Why? Because Linden Lab is so top-heavy and decision-by-committee oriented they're too afraid to move. I think the departure of Chief Technical Officer Cory Ondrejka is now manifesting itself in the revelation that only greed-driven idiots remain at Linden Lab. Come December 31, the exodus may surprise "The Lab" more than they ever realized and I, for one, will not stick around to care or watch. I have given Linden Lab my last US Dollar. This Lab decision is very real and if the company was publicly traded, their stockholders would be livid. How about this post entitled "Second Life land loss escalates?" Read it here and join Nakie at giggling at "The Lab's" ignorance in how to keep their customer base: http://www.massively.com/2008/11/18/second-life-land-loss-escalates/Again, This post is archived for re-post should it be deleted, and is being actively distributed in-world. And here's the link to the JIRA from whence this came: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1776Ohhhhh. If you are interested in what's in store for the metaverse beyond SL, Google "Blue Mars." 
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Solar Legion
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11-18-2008 11:52
and here's a quarter: call someone who won't look at you and tell you to suck it up and blame the people who caused this instead of just the Lab.
for each and every person that used an Open Space as it was supposed to be used, there were about ten more who did not.
This is based on my own observations mind you. Your mileage may vary.
Personally?
I'm sick and bloody tired of the people who leave over crap like this: It's as if none of you have ever dealt with a Private Company or a Service Provider before that rarely listened to their customer base.
I'm used to it: AOL used to shaft the users all the time - they still do!
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Nakie Nightfire
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11-18-2008 12:25
From: Solar Legion and here's a quarter: call someone who won't look at you and tell you to suck it up and blame the people who caused this instead of just the Lab.
for each and every person that used an Open Space as it was supposed to be used, there were about ten more who did not.
This is based on my own observations mind you. Your mileage may vary.
Personally?
I'm sick and bloody tired of the people who leave over crap like this: It's as if none of you have ever dealt with a Private Company or a Service Provider before that rarely listened to their customer base.
I'm used to it: AOL used to shaft the users all the time - they still do! Solar? I think you were in probably diapers when I got my first computer.
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Nakie Nightfire
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11-18-2008 12:33
Thanks, Solar! Revealing post.
What a cute little reply. So, you were once suckered into "Almost On Line?" Hmmmm.
Funny, but I was connected long before they were a twinkle in the profit-mongers eyes and never even gave them a second thought.
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Gordon Wendt
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11-18-2008 12:46
Really by this point just suck it up and get over it. I won't argue that LL shafted you and was wrong. As can be seen by my previous posts, JIRA comments and chatlogs from meetings with Lindens I have my share of gripes with them however at this point your just wasting forum space because it's done. Even the people who held out the most hope have stated that LL isn't going to change anything so all your doing here is whining and soundling like a pissy little kid who's throwing a tantrum.
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Nakie Nightfire
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11-18-2008 12:52
From: Gordon Wendt Really by this point just suck it up and get over it. I won't argue that LL shafted you and was wrong. As can be seen by my previous posts, JIRA comments and chatlogs from meetings with Lindens I have my share of gripes with them however at this point your just wasting forum space because it's done. Even the people who held out the most hope have stated that LL isn't going to change anything so all your doing here is whining and soundling like a pissy little kid who's throwing a tantrum. Perhaps, but with a couple of links from the outside world in support of what LL has been doing to "impress" the metaverse since the departure of Cory Ondrejk. Or did you miss that part, Gordon?
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Gordon Wendt
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11-18-2008 12:59
From: Nakie Nightfire Perhaps, but with a couple of links from the outside world in support of what LL has been doing to "impress" the metaverse since the departure of Cory Ondrejk.
Or did you miss that part, Gordon? I saw you wrote one sentence mentioning it, yes. I also saw the below which I think does a much better job proving my point that your post is entirely about the fact that you feel hurt and betrayed by LL and want somewhere to rant about it and be seen so people will give you attention and reply about how sorry they are same as with the several hundred other openspace threads on the topic. Unfortunately Katt Linden hasn't been doing a very good job of locking and in the case where it's the same author of many rant threads which seems to be the case in many of them suspending the owner for spamming their rants. It's a cry for attention and nothing else. Note: If you ask me a direct question here I'll answer it otherwise I'll probably not post here again so as not to feed your goal of getting pointless attention for your whining.
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Gordon Wendt
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11-18-2008 12:59
Nakie, on an OT note that's cool about it being a contraction for Godzilla. I never knew that.
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Solar Legion
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11-18-2008 16:06
From: Nakie Nightfire Thanks, Solar! Revealing post.
What a cute little reply. So, you were once suckered into "Almost On Line?" Hmmmm.
Funny, but I was connected long before they were a twinkle in the profit-mongers eyes and never even gave them a second thought. Kindly drop the condescending attitude - kid. I don't put up with toddler temper tantrums, or those who somehow seem to think that their situation is so bad as to warrant what amounts to the sort of temper tantrum thrown by my little girl. So you cannot afford the new pricing? Big deal: There are those who couldn't afford the OLD pricing as well. Get over yourself, suck it up and either move on and shut up ... or leave and shut up.
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Dilbert Dilweg
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11-18-2008 16:33
What a waste of a JIRA
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Chris Norse
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11-18-2008 16:55
From: Solar Legion Kindly drop the condescending attitude - kid.
I don't put up with toddler temper tantrums, or those who somehow seem to think that their situation is so bad as to warrant what amounts to the sort of temper tantrum thrown by my little girl.
So you cannot afford the new pricing?
Big deal: There are those who couldn't afford the OLD pricing as well.
Get over yourself, suck it up and either move on and shut up ... or leave and shut up. Dish it out but can't take it? Motes and beams.
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Oryx Tempel
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11-18-2008 16:56
... Next time the oil companies jack up the price of gasoline, you gonna stop driving too?
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Solar Legion
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11-18-2008 19:10
From: Chris Norse Dish it out but can't take it?
Motes and beams. Nope: I give out what I get or see kiddo. Come back and respond when you have something worth saying.
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Jesse Barnett
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11-18-2008 19:31
Hopefully as many people leave as has been forecast by some, I'll personally love it. No lag, asset server no longer burdened and straining. Fresh faces coming in and buying islands just as they were before OS. Gloom and doom has been preached since SL started and it just keeps growing. Even if half of the people leave and we are back down to 30K online, LL will be making money at 30K just like they did before. The only overhead will be some unused servers which were already paid for anyways. Give it another year and LL will have used all of those servers and even more booked.
I personally don't know what happened and people did not see all of the notices I saw. I do not like to see people loosing money, especially in todays world but I was aware from the beginning just exactly what an OS was to be used for and that is not what you had built on your two sims. The only ones I feel sorry for is the people that were using them correctly. OS was never, ever advertised as "Buy and own a full island for 1/4 price".
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-18-2008 19:31
When you take the link to the massively.com url in the first post, Massively has a comment system that allows voting comments, possibly rendering them invisible. That function meshes well with the many repetitive threads here on the Open Space price change.
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Brenda Connolly
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11-18-2008 20:40
Do people still use the word "Metaverse" in a serious context?
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Brenda Connolly
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11-18-2008 20:48
From: Jesse Barnett Hopefully as many people leave as has been forecast by some, I'll personally love it. No lag, asset server no longer burdened and straining. Fresh faces coming in and buying islands just as they were before OS. Gloom and doom has been preached since SL started and it just keeps growing. Even if half of the people leave and we are back down to 30K online, LL will be making money at 30K just like they did before. The only overhead will be some unused servers which were already paid for anyways. Give it another year and LL will have used all of those servers and even more booked.
I personally don't know what happened and people did not see all of the notices I saw. I do not like to see people loosing money, especially in todays world but I was aware from the beginning just exactly what an OS was to be used for and that is not what you had built on your two sims. The only ones I feel sorry for is the people that were using them correctly. OS was never, ever advertised as "Buy and own a full island for 1/4 price". As much as I love to Linden Bash, I think you are right. This will be a bump in the road, perhps even a large pothole, but they replace SL's Tires, realign the steering and be on the way down a new road. A lot of people are getting a bad deal, and I think LL knows it, but it is part of their plan, to shake out as many early adopters as possible and let SL grow with customers who don't know or frankly care about the good old days. There will be a few crusty types who will grumble, but everyone will just gently smile and nod, just like they do with that old guy who sits outside the local drugstore all day long, spinning tales to anyone who comes by.By the time the other grids are a threat, SL v2 will be firmly in place. The one big danger is LL losing sight that SL is best suited as an entertainment platform, and not pinning it's future on the Big Boys coming in .
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Jannae Karas
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11-18-2008 20:50
So all my friends got screwed, and I should just forgive and forget?
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Brenda Connolly
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11-18-2008 20:53
Are there any other options in this situation? Besides taking your business elsewhere?
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Nakie Nightfire
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11-19-2008 01:33
From: Jesse Barnett I do not like to see people loosing money, especially in todays world but I was aware from the beginning just exactly what an OS was to be used for and that is not what you had built on your two sims. Did you visit my two sims to see what was there on those barren lands or are you just assuming I'm just an inconsiderate temp-rezzing resource hog, Jesse? I never even approached the 3750 prim limit on either sim, typically hovering less than 2,000 with 0.7ms script consumption the norm—most of that, poseballs for guests. I designed my sims as desert parkland and was always most design-considerate of the unknown other three sharing CPU cycles with me. I respectfully submit your comment was a wee presumptuous and unfair. From: someone The only ones I feel sorry for is the people that were using them correctly. OS was never, ever advertised as "Buy and own a full island for 1/4 price". When I built those sims, the prim limit was 1875, which influenced my decision to create barren desert park lands with only a few old ghost town buildings to add interest. Never an event, never a classified, and, in fact, until recently not even in search and member-only. If that makes me a greedy resource and asset hog in your opinion, so be it.
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11-19-2008 02:13
The jira is not to be used as a platform for personal beefs with linden labs ok.
It's for the resolution of bugs.
Idiots who fill the jira with crap like this deserve to be summarily banned from ever using the jira again.
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tristan Eliot
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11-19-2008 02:53
From: Jesse Barnett Hopefully as many people leave as has been forecast by some, I'll personally love it. No lag, asset server no longer burdened and straining. Fresh faces coming in and buying islands just as they were before OS. Gloom and doom has been preached since SL started and it just keeps growing. Even if half of the people leave and we are back down to 30K online, LL will be making money at 30K just like they did before. The only overhead will be some unused servers which were already paid for anyways. Give it another year and LL will have used all of those servers and even more booked.
I personally don't know what happened and people did not see all of the notices I saw. I do not like to see people loosing money, especially in todays world but I was aware from the beginning just exactly what an OS was to be used for and that is not what you had built on your two sims. The only ones I feel sorry for is the people that were using them correctly. OS was never, ever advertised as "Buy and own a full island for 1/4 price". It would be nice to drop back down to a concurrency of 5000 for a little bit. Let us enjoy the unstressed grid a bit before the new wave of residents come to fill the empty spaces.
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Nakie Nightfire
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11-19-2008 11:45
@ tristan: Dream on my friend. I have been on SL since late 2005 and well remember the days of low concurrency.
My crystal ball suggests to this futurist that Linden Lab is the "Yahoo" of the metaverse, soon to be out-shined and left behind by a corporation with more brains, less greedy paranoia, deeper pockets, more server farms, and just maybe, a kinder gentler forum populated by more thinkers than brown-nosing Linden Lab ass-kissers.
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Gordon Wendt
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11-19-2008 11:50
From: Nakie Nightfire My crystal ball suggests to this futurist that Linden Lab is the "Yahoo" of the metaverse, soon to be out-shined and left behind by a corporation with more brains, less greedy paranoia, deeper pockets, more server farms, and just maybe, a kinder gentler forum populated by more thinkers than brown-nosing Linden Lab ass-kissers.
Hopefully a better run and more stable system at least will take over but since there is no serious offering beyond hobbyists to challenge LL (Google's Lively doesn't even fit into the same category of product) your stuck with SL or nothing for the time being and if you can't get past your whiny little pity fest please by all means make it nothing so the rest of us can get on with our SL lives. In regards to your personal attacks prove that I'm an SL brown noser or kindly take your ignorance somewhere else. As I've stated in my previous posts I have supported LL's decisions off and on but I have when they have deserved it I have been a very vocal critic of theirs so I'm call you out to either put up or shutup on that claim.
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Nakie Nightfire
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11-19-2008 15:54
@ Gordo: Please don't take my comments here personally, it was not meant that way at all.
As for an alternative to what Linden Lab is doing, anyone willing to operate their own server, learn to be their own Concierge complete with GOD MODE, or buy server space, can create regions for friends to visit, chat, build, etc. for just the cost of the electricity to keep the box alive. Oh, and the willingness to upgrade to a business connection with a static IP address and quicker uploads.
I'll have to give "The Lab" credit for one thing: Their moderators have not locked this thread, deleted it, nor canceled Nakie's account for speaking out. For that, I salute them.
I also salute LL for releasing their code. Originally, it was hoped it would inspire the programming community to come together to contribute fixes and accelerate the maturity of the LL server and viewer.
Unfortunately, LL, like the proverbial ostrich with its corporate head in the sand has summarily failed to embrace those countless volunteer programmers or their fixes except patronizingly, causing so much frustration among those contributors as to drive them to release their OWN versions of the viewers, i.e., the most recent "Imprudence" with contributions by the renowned Nicholaz Beresford.
In addition, LL's current management's inability to incorporate those JIRA fixes offered has fueled the growing knowledge-bases and Wikis which show you how easy it is for a half-smart computer wrangler to place their very own regions on-line for friends to join in all the reindeer games.
As for a whole grid-full or places to go and things to do? That's growing elsewhere too, but for the likes of me, a nice place to call home and invite friends to rezz and tinker is all I personally want. Of course, YMMV.
Oh, and remember all the flutter when SL managed to actually connect to an outside grid? Oh, and how about that program that lets you transfer your SL goodies to your avie on another other grid (providing it's your own creation)?
A majority of folks in this forum seem to have a worshiping sort of tunnelvision view of LL. Heck this is LL's forum, after all. Do most realize it is nearly exactly the same viewer that connects to OpenSim, with minor changes (such as allowing 100m prims, and something like 45,000 prims per region instead of the mere 15,000 LL offers)?
and yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. No skills? No desire to learn? Stay with LL. For the rest, welcome to a wonderful tomorrow.
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