Listing of good Estate Owners?

Ok so I know there is no list as such...but... personal experience has to count for something huh?

I rented from Sarah Nerd for quite a while and she is VERY trustworthy, very helpful and I loved it!!

So thats my 2 cents!

Totally agree with Char's recommendations (swap my name for hers) plus I know a whole bunch more. However... a forum thread may not exactly be the right way to look for a reputable estate owner.

Talk to the residents. Knowing that the residents are generally always 'in favour' (they are still there) - take what you hear and offset it a bit to the negative, I'd say.


As for having land in a private estate while going to 'basic' - this is no problem at all.

Simply have the land group deeded to a group you have. Mischief managed, plus even a little more control for you and your friends.

I am very happy with my estate situation. My Landlord just opened a new island and there are vacancies on that one and the one I live on. He also upped the prim multiplier to 1.5. If you are interested, send me a PM or In world IM and I'll be glad to give you all the info.

I too am also a very happy estate renter. I've been in my current home for a year now and have NEVER had anything but wonderful experiences with my estate owner. IM me in world if you are interested.

Be sure to check out all the Estate Owners Charlene has listed and be sure to check out Char's land also, she is great.

I suggest you talk with people, check out whomever you might decide to deal with in the forums. You will find a lot here. And, above all ask questions.

Currently I own 80 Estates, in my fourth year of business and plan to continue to grow. I list whatever is available in my profile, the picks tab. At this time I have two islands available for rent out of the 80 sims. All my islands offer chat privacy, no chat can be seen from island to island. There are regular islands, double prims islands with protected land, and islands with bonus prims. It comes down to what you are looking for.

I wish you the best in your search for land and if you have any questions I will be happy to answer them for you.

Alliez Mysterio

What is really needed is a good Renter's Rights list---the good Estate Owners will look good complying with it.

Top of the list should be protecting tenents, during a sim transfer, when a sim is bought by a new Estate owner. One or both, former and new owners needs to reimburse for any rent paid if the new owner is evicting people. and a reimbursement of any consideration/downpayment paid for Estate services---since, theres really no such thing as "buying," from an Estate owner, unless it is a sim purchase.

There would be a number of important things on thils list. a "covenent" should be a two-way agreement. Protections against unilateral covenent changes. 60 days notice etc.

there are quite few who are very reliable and post here in the forums, but where me and the mister live is pretty darn good! i know we arent supposed to name names but he deserves it. Tonely Yue, has been our "landlord" for the past year, and is reliable, prompt with any issues or complaints, patient, and is very understanding if RL issues arise. he is one of the many you dont hear about, so i raise a cup of chamomile in his honor, this mugs for You Tonely!!!

ps: check Rays land list he may have started one or im Him in world.

In a similar vein to Maggie, I would mention Nyna Slate of Dragon Moon Estates. She doesn't post here and doesn't go for big publicity, but I have known and dealt with her for a long time and only found her to be fair. Hopefully needless to say that I have no commercial connection with her business. I post this as an honest plug for a good estate owner.

Im not so sure that renters have any rights when it comes to estate owners transferring sims to a new owner. Isnt that the whole point of 'renting' on an estate as opposed to 'buying' the land. Once my rent is due Im at liberty to leave and move on should I want to. Surely the same must be true for the estate owner. Once rental period is up then they also have the right to extend rental or not.

And what do they do in real life?

Of course there are protections for renters in civalized countries. As a landlord, You can't rent your piece of property in real life, collect rent today, then sell the land tomorrow, and rip off the now evicted tenant. You would be sued and pay damages or maybe even busted for fraud.


You also have to give 60 days notice where I come from or in the case of non-payment a 3 day notice to pay or quit. There is no reason renters do not have rights in SL---other then a lazy LL and brainwashed residents, saying, "t-t-t-theer is nothing we can dooooo, wah wah wah..."

Just because LL operates like a disabled company when it comes to protecting residents from scams or crooks, does not mean they can really get away with it. or just because this is in a virtual reality, because there is real money involved, then there are basic realities at work. Ultimately LL would be financially responsible, so it would be to their advantage to set up a Renters Rights document as part of all covenents.

Are you suggesting that renters give 60 days notice should they be thinking about moving on or that renters pay 60 days rent in advance?
In the best of all possible worlds all you suggest would be marvellous but there are irresponsible renters as well as irresponsible rentees.

If I rent a piece of land on a monthly basis then it should be my choice to leave or renew the rental at that point.
I still think Raymond might have the right attitude ...... weekly rentals, renewable by either party at the end of each week.

This way the renter doesnt lose too much money should the estate owner drop dead/leave SL and the estate owner can sell on with a clear conscience having bilked nobody out of money.

Using California as an example, in month to month renting, the renter has to give a 30 day notice but before a landlord can evict, they have to give 60 days notice unless the tenent has missed payment---in that case a 3 day notice to pay or quit can be used. Even with the 3 day notice, and a renter has been locked out after a grace period, a renter still has 30 days to pay it.


Renter's rights laws are not reinventing the wheel. Since they have been developed over many years and are well established, they are already efficient ways to protect people from unscrupulous landlords.






In SL as it is then a week to week rental does make sense, but what a hassle that is--- all of that would not be necessary if SL wasn't operating on Geek-Pirate-Jungle rules

I don't understand the hassle. Renewing for a week at any of mine, or Raymond's, or Cristalle's properties takes one mouse click. My tenants who see me as trustworthy just tend to pay a month in advance anyway.

It is a hassle for us to keep up with the higher turnover rate, since our tenants aren't tied down to initial cash payments and have complete freedom to leave. But I consider that to be my problem, not the tenants' problem.

I almost envision the practice of "selling" estate land to go the way of banks. If users are getting ripped off of huge amounts in huge numbers, then the practice just has to be stopped one way or another. And just as it was T.S. for the honest bankers, it's going to be T.S. for honest estate owners. I see no difference between the two problems.

I fear you may be right, someday.

As scams go, for the amount of effort expended, you may as well be honest as either a resident or land baron, I'd think.

Which is why on balance I would presume that most people strive to do it right. Doesn't take many bad (or incompetent) people to ruin it for everyone, though.

As for shutting down 'land for money' in any form - it might be nearly impossible to enforce, as long as you can rez a prim on land you don't directly control.

All a land baron has to do is ask for payment outside the system - common enough, and the Company will never be able to know who is right or wrong in any given case.

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I don't see 'real rental' anything like rental on the grid. You won't be homeless if you lose your SL land. I'd compare it more to losing your iTunes subscription or your web hosting service, than a real home.

True, but it's actually much easier to enforce than the bank issue. You take away the land purchase screen.

I'm sure there are still small-time banking and gambling transactions going on every day in SL, just as the land transactions would continue, as you describe. But no one can operate on any type of large scale, and can't advertise.

In the case of the land problem, taking away the very official-looking land purchase screen would probably fix most of the scamming issues, and banning 'land-for-money' outright might not be necessary at all.

And I re-emphasize that I don't necessarily advocate this. I just envision it going this way.

Amen ! I know we can't do it here but some brave soul might want to keep it some place. My tenants think I'm ok, ask 'em

I'd love to see a "Land Rental Screen" as an option to the existing "land purchase screen". While I don't sell land on my estate, I do use the land purchase mechanism in order to collect the first month's rent and transfer the land title to the customer. I've tried to make it painfully clear (in the land description and covenant) that even though we use the 'purchase' function, it is a rental. In 10 months of business I have yet to have a single customer complain that they misunderstood... but nonetheless I would be happy if all the 'buy land' phrases could be substituted with 'rent land', just to make it even clearer.

And although I don't sell land in my business model, I do understand the reasons why it is used (and perhaps even necessary) in other situations, so I'd prefer it to be an option rather than something LL unilaterally decides to implement. It could be based on the 'allow land resale' setting for instance -- if land can be resold, then the estate uses the 'land sale' floaters and dialogs, or if land cannot be resold then the estate uses the 'land rental' floaters and dialogs.

-Atashi

At any rate, Renters Rights could quite easily be instituted in SL so that no scammer can go around and rip off rent by selling the sim and transferring it. Make it impossible to transfer a sim withotu locking in existing renters for a set period or reimburse them for any rent paid before they could be evicted.